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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14460760 - 05/16/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone who has taken a pressed pill or anything else bought on the street has taken THE SAME RISK.




Right. If you can't ID it, it's dumb to take it.

That's what I'm saying.


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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: Doc_T] * 1
    #14461581 - 05/16/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, this was a result of the mislabeling. Yes, had they have only taken 15mg of 2c-e they probably wouldn't have overdosed and died. Yes, both 2c-b-FLY and 2c-e should be legal to avoid incidents like this.

NO 2c-e is still not proven safe or even non-toxic at recreational doses!!! I'm tired of seeing this public example of mislabeling become an argument in the defense of 2c-es safety. I can assure you I know just as much about these drugs as any of you and I understand how likely it is for someone to die from a single 15 mg 2c-e dose- HIGHLY unlikely. Yet no one should claim they are safe at all considering you have no scientific data to back you up. Let me guess, you've eaten some and are now an expert on it's reaction to every individual?

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml


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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465164 - 05/16/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Where did you see me calling anything safe?  Please point it out so that we can all see what exactly you're referring to.

I simply stated that fear mongering when talking about these substances is completely hypocritical coming from anyone on this board.  And yes I have experimented, have you? 

Please give me a break on that Erowid link pal.  I read everything available on erowid and at least five other forums BEFORE I consume a chem.  I have chosen not to consume some chems based on my readings, but I have not come to the conclusion I need to trash talk them.  I simply don't see the need for parroted fear mongering on this board of all places. 

I have no problem with spreading useful information, but please refrain from spreading fear.  It doesn't help anyone, it interferes with rational decision making, and it makes you *appear* to support prohibition of substances that you *apparently* have no experience with.  The hypocrisy of posting such opinions here is "doubling down on dumb" if you ask me.

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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: Doc_T]
    #14465198 - 05/16/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anyone who has taken a pressed pill or anything else bought on the street has taken THE SAME RISK.




Right. If you can't ID it, it's dumb to take it.

That's what I'm saying.





Yes, but you're specifically targeting RCs while downplaying the fact that you take the same risks when procuring your drugs of choice.  If this wasn't the case you would be posting to inform everyone of the  potential "lethality" in buying coke, meth, LSD or any other unidentifiable drug.  But you are not.  You're only posting in threads that deal with RCs.

Step up to the plate and go to bat for your position if you truly believe that there is a difference.  But I will continue to call that hypocrisy.

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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14465432 - 05/16/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"it makes you *appear* to support prohibition of substances that you *apparently* have no experience with.  The hypocrisy of posting such opinions here is "doubling down on dumb" if you ask me."

Where do you get this retarded ass idea?!?!?!? Quit making stupid claims. It destroys all of your credibility.


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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465444 - 05/16/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When someone says "2c-e is completely safe at responsible doses " all I say is "you don't know that".

Show me where I've said I know it's dangerous and I'll honestly give you 5000 dollars.


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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465995 - 05/17/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I added the *asterisk* because from my perspective you are ambiguous.  I chose my words carefully because I don't know where you stand. 

-You make sure that everyone knows that RCs have not been proven safe, and you take issue with people claiming that RCs can be relatively safe when taking proper precautions.  But you are not calling them dangerous. 

-You say you have just as much knowledge as me and ask if I'm experienced, and then you post a link to Erowid, but do not mention any personal experience of yours.  Does your knowledge come solely from reading or through personal experience as well?

Do you see where I'm getting this ambiguity?   

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When someone says "2c-e is completely safe at responsible doses " all I say is "you don't know that".




When you jumped me I had called out the hypocrisy of another member who uses street drugs but implies that RCs are "lethal" and people who use them are dumb.  I suggested using test kits and "buyer beware".  Nothing about dosing, no blanket statement of safety, just a call for ending the fear speak and hypocrisy.  Look at my post on page 1.  Maybe you were reading another thread... 



So yeah, I'm not too worried about my cred with you and I'm also not interested in your money.

Have a good one.

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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14466011 - 05/17/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"you take issue with people claiming that RCs can be relatively safe when taking proper precautions."

Prove it.


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Re: Survivors talk about Konawa party that killed 2 friends [Re: LightShedder]
    #14466056 - 05/17/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prove it.




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NO 2c-e is still not proven safe or even non-toxic at recreational doses!!! ...no one should claim they are safe at all considering you have no scientific data to back you up.




There you go.  Proven.  And you have no scientific data showing that they are unsafe when using proper precautions.



And you know what?  After reading this little gem and the rest of the thread that it was posted in I've realized that I'm wasting my time.

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I want to say I read a report on erowid years ago of a girl who ingested 150 mg and didn't die but had a dangerous od. I'm too lazy to try and look for it, it may not even exist. But note I said possibly. I said "a drug with possibly 6x" meaning any drug where this is possible, shouldn't be considered safe, as someone else tried to claim.




Do some real research and come back when you're experienced.  If you have any idea what I'm talking about I'd be surprised.

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