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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: drr]
#14464607 - 05/16/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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@Drr: You're statement, sir, sounds retarded... It's extremely unfortunate for every soul who almost, and did, over dosed on this (and any other substance) because they in fact received the wrong chemical entirely. But, to say that the wrong chemical is garbage because it can and probably will kill you if you exceed that substance's LD-50 is asinine. According to your statement every chemical that can get you high and has a lethal dose is garbage.
And does any one have any word on the legal status of the poor soles involved?
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Slaithenn]
#14464666 - 05/16/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Legal status- my guess is totally fucked. He'll get 25 years if he's lucky. Sooooo fucking sad and wrong!
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14464905 - 05/16/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LightShedder said: Legal status- my guess is totally fucked. He'll get 25 years if he's lucky. Sooooo fucking sad and wrong!
25 years sounds pretty damn unlucky to me. Assuming he has a good lawyer he'll be alright.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465104 - 05/16/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude they're charging him with first degree murder. 2 counts. And he will be convicted regardless of his lawyer. Unless he's rich enough fir Johnny cochron, he'll be lucky to get 25.
Overall, Terribly tragic and unlucky but at this point, I'd feel lucky to get a sentence less than life.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465128 - 05/16/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LightShedder said: dude they're charging him with first degree murder. 2 counts. And he will be convicted regardless of his lawyer. Unless he's rich enough fir Johnny cochron, he'll be lucky to get 25.
Overall, Terribly tragic and unlucky but at this point, I'd feel lucky to get a sentence less than life.
Charging him yes, convicted no. And who are you to say with such confidence that he will be convicted of first degree murder for this shit? That's such a ridiculous assumption.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465225 - 05/16/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Forgive my pessimism but I've read of too many stories like this. It happens too often where someone dies from heroin or any drug, and they convict the dealer of murder.
Wanna bet on the outcome?
You say "with a good lawyer he'll be alright". Now THAT is a silly assumption.
Watch.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465250 - 05/16/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah we'll see what happens but believing that a lawyer can affect the outcome of a case is not a silly idea at all.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Slaithenn]
#14465332 - 05/16/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Slaithenn said: @Drr: You're statement, sir, sounds retarded... It's extremely unfortunate for every soul who almost, and did, over dosed on this (and any other substance) because they in fact received the wrong chemical entirely. But, to say that the wrong chemical is garbage because it can and probably will kill you if you exceed that substance's LD-50 is asinine. According to your statement every chemical that can get you high and has a lethal dose is garbage.
And does any one have any word on the legal status of the poor soles involved?
I am retarded. But the point is, this chemical has killed enough people, I don't see any value in it, I'd be happy to know it doesn't exist on the face of the planet and I have no chance of accidentally consuming it.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465339 - 05/16/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man, this sux!!!
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465389 - 05/16/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: Yeah we'll see what happens but believing that a lawyer can affect the outcome of a case is not a silly idea at all.
True, but being convinced that it will is far more ridiculous than believing it won't.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465622 - 05/16/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I doubt he'll get convicted of first degree murder, but I also doubt he will be getting a light sentience... Technical he committed multiple felonies (selling RC's w/ known intent for human consumption), witch resulted in the hospitalization and death of multiple people. His prospects look pretty grim... To bad we can't do something more productive then ruining their lives any further.
@Drr: Then I am terribly sorry for your learning disability sir, and please for give me my rudeness and total lack of sympathy for your condition. Also, the body count for this drug is extremely small... How ever, extremely tragic. I'd rest easier if china was no longer a prime supplier of every ones RC's... Because of course Bromodragonfly is the only thing they could have a label mix up and kill you with!
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Slaithenn]
#14465703 - 05/17/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You doubt he'll get convicted of murder?
What gives you such confidence? How much experience with drug overdose/murder cases do you have? Obviously very little because I've read of dozens and dozens where the seller gets convicted of murder and not once read of one where they get any leniency.
I'm sure you're thinking"it's so illogical and ridiculous, no way they'll actually convict him", but believe me, it's routine. If this kid isn't convicted, he'll be a miraculous exception to hundreds and hundreds of cases.
Unfortunately.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465776 - 05/17/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LightShedder said: You doubt he'll get convicted of murder?
What gives you such confidence? How much experience with drug overdose/murder cases do you have? Obviously very little because I've read of dozens and dozens where the seller gets convicted of murder and not once read of one where they get any leniency.
I'm sure you're thinking"it's so illogical and ridiculous, no way they'll actually convict him", but believe me, it's routine. If this kid isn't convicted, he'll be a miraculous exception to hundreds and hundreds of cases.
Unfortunately.
Alright man you've peaked my curiosity, please provide some sources for your claims. The way I understand it a drug dealer can only be convicted of murder if they knew the drug that they supplied to the victim would be deadly if they took it.
You say a first degree murder conviction for drug dealers is routine I call bullshit on that I think it's very rare. I believe this case in particular will be a perfect one for a lawyer to take because the drug supplied ended up not even being the drug that the dealer thought he was distributing so it should be relatively easy to get the dude off on way lesser charges than first degree murder.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465812 - 05/17/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465821 - 05/17/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You say a first degree murder conviction for drug dealers is routine I call bullshit on that I think it's very rare. I believe this case in particular will be a perfect one for a lawyer to take because the drug supplied ended up not even being the drug that the dealer thought he was distributing so it should be relatively easy to get the dude off on way lesser charges than first degree murder."
lol yeah the "I thought it was the other research chem!" is always a valid argument in court.
Not.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465855 - 05/17/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not doubting that it happens, I just don't believe that it's routine. Even in the cases you posted the convictions were for less than first degree and the news articles stated that it was rare or the first time a conviction like that has been handed down or was in a state with a particularly crazy felony murder law or it was a mother over medicating a helpless child or people leaving their overdosing friend to die.
All those cases had little details that resulted in some fucked up sentences but with the details of this particular case I would be shocked if he was convicted of first degree murder. Like I said with a good lawyer he'll be alright.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: muistrue]
#14465865 - 05/17/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ur turn.
Show me where you would get such a silly idea? (that with a good lawyer hell be alright)
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14465877 - 05/17/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I'm not doubting that it happens, I just don't believe that it's routine. Even in the cases you posted the convictions were for less than first degree and the news articles stated that it was rare or the first time a conviction like that has been handed down or was in a state with a particularly crazy felony murder law or it was a mother over medicating a helpless child or people leaving their overdosing friend to die. "
Do you not see how illogical that is?
I could post you all the thousands of cases like those above, and it wouldn't be enough. You'd still have the illusion that "it's at least not routine!" or "that's just where this situation or that situation occurred"
Trust me, it is literally routine, meaning everytime! It's as routine as charging someone with distribution if they sell a drug to charge them with murder if the drug kills the user. No amount of legal proof will change your mind I guess.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Slaithenn]
#14465878 - 05/17/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Slaithenn said: @Drr: Then I am terribly sorry for your learning disability sir, and please for give me my rudeness and total lack of sympathy for your condition. Also, the body count for this drug is extremely small... How ever, extremely tragic. I'd rest easier if china was no longer a prime supplier of every ones RC's... Because of course Bromodragonfly is the only thing they could have a label mix up and kill you with!
Aw, don't be such a dick. You just said yourself that it is the most dangerous research chemical available.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: drr]
#14465966 - 05/17/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dunno why I read 80% of this thread. It's mostly fatalistic attitudes, people arguing, etc.
Guess all I have to add to this is, if safer drugs were more readily available by less shadey fuqs maybe less people would even seek the RC market. Improve lives, dose your friends on the good stuff!
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