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famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit
#14464469 - 05/16/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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kant hegel nietzsche einstein emerson
feel free to add your own!
sooo...are these people lying to themselves with wishful thinking? Deluded? Sometimes i think modern intellectuals feel as though the true smart position is to hold to a materialist doctrine that rejects all concepts of spirit. That doesn't put you in the highest company, however. Does it not make you think a little that people who had a very high rational capacity also were very open to spiritual notions?
sometimes I feel as if anybody who doesn't acknowledge spirit...just hasn't really looked into it enough
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: g00ru]
#14464501 - 05/16/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is going to be a shitstorm. You heard it here first, folks.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14465598 - 05/16/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think it'll be a grand discussion for the ages
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: g00ru] 1
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sometimes I feel as if anybody who doesn't acknowledge spirit...just hasn't really looked into it enough
That line is so man.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14467241 - 05/17/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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okay, i mean i really do feel that way but i acknowledge the troll status.
hmmm not gettin a lot of responses anyways...interesting...
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: g00ru]
#14467357 - 05/17/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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First off, "spirit". What are we discussing?
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: g00ru]
#14467841 - 05/17/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sometimes i think modern intellectuals feel as though the true smart position is to hold to a materialist doctrine that rejects all concepts of spirit.
The materialist doctrine does not reject all concepts of spirit, only the unfounded ones. You are just making things up so you can get up on your high horse, yet again.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: DieCommie] 1
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Nietzsche does not talk about spirit in any way close to the way you mean it. His philosophy rejects dualism and idealism.
In fact, he attacks Schopenhauer and Descartes' idealism on grounds that could just as easily be applied to your whole "focus on I AM" spiel. 
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"There are still harmless self-observers who believe that there are "immediate certainties"; for example, "I think," or as the superstition of Schopenhauer put it, "I will"; as though knowledge here got hold of its objects purely and nakedly as "the thing in itself," without any falsification on the part of either the subject or the object. But that "immediate certainty," as well as "absolute knowledge" and the "thing in itself," involved a contradictio in adjecto, I shall repeat a hundred times; we really ought to free ourselves from the seduction of words!"
--Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Part 1, Section 11
Kant and Hegel did indeed have conceptions of spirit; but both of them have been strongly criticized and their opinions prove nothing. And I never attacked you for your opinion; if anything, guruu, I criticized you based on your attitude. I can see why you hold your opinions, even though I disagree- it's your absolute confidence without justification, and your condescending attitude, that brings these insults on you. If you put forth your ideas in a less confrontational, more humble manner, with justification and logic, people would be much more inclined to listen to you.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: NetDiver]
#14503629 - 05/24/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well what way does he mean it then? Because in reading Nietzsche he seems to use the word very similarly to how I understand it as sort of an animating force. And yeah I guess Kant and Hegel have been criticized for it but that still has to make you wonder...you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater, to me that's evidence that they arrived at their theories through some sort of theophany in addition to and in conjunction with rational deduction.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: g00ru]
#14503746 - 05/24/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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guruu said: kant hegel nietzsche einstein emerson
feel free to add your own!
sooo...are these people lying to themselves with wishful thinking? Deluded? Sometimes i think modern intellectuals feel as though the true smart position is to hold to a materialist doctrine that rejects all concepts of spirit. That doesn't put you in the highest company, however. Does it not make you think a little that people who had a very high rational capacity also were very open to spiritual notions?
sometimes I feel as if anybody who doesn't acknowledge spirit...just hasn't really looked into it enough
Enough with the appeal to authority crap. Even the biggest genius can be deluded about some things. I can't believethis isn't a thought that occurs to someone.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14503868 - 05/24/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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he'll show you spirit...
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: andrewss]
#14503897 - 05/24/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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define spirit?
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: infectedstyle]
#14503934 - 05/24/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you crazy? Then things wouldn't be ambiguous anymore. And then when will the spiritual people do?
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14504020 - 05/24/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know, roam around and meet in dreams i suppose.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14505450 - 05/24/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well what if spirit cannot be defined just for the very purpose that with spirit comes an infinite amount of possibilities? With those infinite amount of possibilities comes and infinite amount of definitions of spirit?
As I see it, materialism is constantly changing. What was once a constant can become unstable in a mere matter of moments. What was once thought true is now proven false and visa versa. People of Greek and Roman times would only have been able to imagine having a system such as the internet where thoughts and ideas can be expressed from various places all over the world, converging in one place at the same time.
Spirit in my opinion is manifested and proven true on a daily basis, spirit is what creates science and materialism. It is the spirit that drives us all.
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Re: famous philosophers who have a concept of spirit [Re: NetDiver]
#14509617 - 05/25/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Nietzsche does not talk about spirit in any way close to the way you mean it. His philosophy rejects dualism and idealism.
In fact, he attacks Schopenhauer and Descartes' idealism on grounds that could just as easily be applied to your whole "focus on I AM" spiel. 
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"There are still harmless self-observers who believe that there are "immediate certainties"; for example, "I think," or as the superstition of Schopenhauer put it, "I will"; as though knowledge here got hold of its objects purely and nakedly as "the thing in itself," without any falsification on the part of either the subject or the object. But that "immediate certainty," as well as "absolute knowledge" and the "thing in itself," involved a contradictio in adjecto, I shall repeat a hundred times; we really ought to free ourselves from the seduction of words!"
--Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Part 1, Section 11
Kant and Hegel did indeed have conceptions of spirit; but both of them have been strongly criticized and their opinions prove nothing. And I never attacked you for your opinion; if anything, guruu, I criticized you based on your attitude. I can see why you hold your opinions, even though I disagree- it's your absolute confidence without justification, and your condescending attitude, that brings these insults on you. If you put forth your ideas in a less confrontational, more humble manner, with justification and logic, people would be much more inclined to listen to you.
I was also going to point out that Nietzsche's use of the word spirit differs from the way guru might be trying to interpret it. But you beat me to it.
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