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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14463764 - 05/16/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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:rofl:  im the only one here providing any useful information, you posted a video thats it nothing else at all.  You havn't shared one point or contradiction to me other than how bad of a pet owner your friend was.  then you have the nerve to say im the one "just" arguing...get real dude wake the heck up.






What useful information?? youre information is clearly outdated
and anyone who wanted to spend some time on the matter would realize that.

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463769 - 05/16/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no no no your information is clearly undated, ill prove it by saying its undated. and don't ask me what that information is because well im not sure:rofl2:


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14463784 - 05/16/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You never answered my question in which I asked if you owned one of these little things?

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463824 - 05/16/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what kind of work do you do and can you take this animal to the job?

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14463829 - 05/16/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

MYTH:  “Sugar Gliders require an exotic, expensive, and very complicated diet…” “They cannot survive on dry and/or pellet type foods…”  “If you are squeamish about having to handle live insects, worms and grubs every day, you should not own a Sugar Glider…”
 
 
 
       
 

REALITY:  This is just one example of the extremely outdated – and often dangerous – care information routinely posted on unlicensed internet chatrooms and websites.  While it was true TEN YEARS AGO that Sugar Gliders required a diet consisting of special mixtures of insects and other “live” foods - in the last several years TREMENDOUS advances in nutritional science have resulted in a handful of very SAFE and EFFECTIVE commercial “pelleted” foods and powdered vitamin supplements which in fact greatly EXCEED the nutritional values of the older, outdated diets.  These advanced, scientifically-balanced diets have been developed and approved by LICENSED Doctors of Veterinary Medicine who specialize in Sugar Glider care – and are proven to be both safe and effective.

When fed the correct diet of: 1) Veterinarian-approved pelleted food,
2) fresh fruits & vegetables, and 3) a Veterinarian-approved, calcium-based multivitamin supplement, it should only cost an average of less than $10 per month to feed a single animal.  Any reputable, Federally-Licensed USDA Breeder will be able to provide you with a written dietary plan that is both simple for you – and healthy for your Gliders.

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463833 - 05/16/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

MYTH:  “Sugar Gliders constantly mark their territory and are very smelly animals much like a ferret or skunk…”  “Their cage needs to be constantly cleaned…”  “ Poo and pee on your clothes, skin, hair, and furniture is a constant with these animals…”
 
 
       
 

REALITY:  This myth directly relates back to the earlier misinformation that you somehow HAVE to feed your Gliders “live” foods; like worms, crickets, grasshoppers - and even baby mice - in order for them to be healthy.  While it is possible that Sugar Gliders can develop an odor similar to – but not as strong as – a ferret, the primary cause of this odor is feeding them an old, outdated diet containing LIVE foods and meat-based proteins.

The fact is that several years ago nutritional science greatly simplified the entire process of caring for Sugar Gliders (in many ways) with the development of scientifically-balanced pellet food diets.  For example, some of the more-advanced pelleted foods even contain proprietary ingredients specifically-designed to prohibit odors; and Sugar Gliders who are fed this diet on a daily basis will usually have almost NO discernable smell.

While it is true that Sugar Gliders technically cannot be “potty-trained”, they are instinctively very clean little animals who never require bathing of any kind.  Their bathroom habits are very predictable, and in many ways they are similar to humans.  For example, when we wake up from a long nap, usually the first thing we want to do is go to the bathroom – and Sugar Gliders are no different.  Therefore, by
1) learning their potty habits, and 2) thoroughly “de-pooping/peeing” them before letting them run around -  “accidents” typically become few and far between in a relatively short period of time.  Most reputable breeders will provide you with detailed instructions on exactly how to do this.























MYTH:  “You absolutely MUST have at least two Gliders or they will die of loneliness…”  “Human contact is no substitute for their own kind…”  “You have to spend a minimum of 12-14 hours a day with a sugar glider or it will self-mutilate or die…”
 
 
       
 

REALITY:  It is true that Sugar Gliders are very social animals by nature, and they make excellent “family pets” because they tend to want to bond to a whole “group” of people.  In other words, they’re not usually a “one person animal” – and this is primarily due to the fact that in the wild they live in “colonies” of 10-15 other Gliders (and are instinctively very “communal”).

Having said that, ANY animal is always going to be happiest when it has a playmate of it’s own species – so whenever possible it is always optimal to get a pair of babies.

If your budget will only allow you to get just one animal, then the best thing to do is just plan on spending as much time with it as possible.  Fortunately, this is usually a VERY easy thing to do, because unlike most other household pets, Sugar Gliders don’t require a lot of DIRECT attention.  They are quite content just riding around with you almost anywhere - and hanging out in your shirt or in a pocket.  Since they “bond” so strongly with their owners, it is VERY unusual that a fully-bonded Glider will ever TRY to leave its owner – and many people routinely take them everywhere they go; including grocery stores, movie theatres, motorcycle riding, etc..

To help new owners, many reputable USDA breeders also offer discounts for purchasing a second animal.

Edited by DeadHearts (05/16/11 06:41 PM)

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463836 - 05/16/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no you don't get to ask anything.  Thats not how conversations work, i put everything out there, you don't get to just sit back.  Step up or sit down.

Edit: finally you post something, i guess you've been doing alot of googling all this time trying to find your stance?  right.

half of what you posted i never even mentioned.  as for diet, you already proved they require a special diet with your video you posted which is your new age info.  which leaves pooping and like i said i already know what thats all about.  I have a bird, birds are easy compared to these sugar gliders and guess what, to "properly" take care of a bird is "alot" of work and a shitload of them end up into adoption/rescues ect.

your sitting here trying to parrot off something about how they are like dogs after an hour of googling.  So many people screw up with birds, most don't even have a clue what there capable of, for someone to think they can just jump into a sugar glider...its just so wrong.


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14463840 - 05/16/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pris. The latest I get off work is 9:30 and I stay up all night.


Its a bullshit misconception that they need absolute attention all day everyday.

Edit: I was planning on getting two for this purpose just in case since they are
so small anyways.

Edited by DeadHearts (05/16/11 06:56 PM)

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14463871 - 05/16/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont even know what youre talking about to be honest.

As fae as their diet, sure its special. You need to feed it  75% "sugar glider pellets"
and 25% fruit and  veggies. Man thats hard.

Pooping? I have owned birds in the past and they shit like every ten seconds. I dont
see youre point there. birds are easy to take care of but they are most deff very
dirty animals.

I didnt say anything about them being like dogs that was the vet who said they are
most comparable to dogs.

Edited by DeadHearts (05/16/11 06:54 PM)

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14464032 - 05/16/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And the thread goes dead. I figured as much.

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14464833 - 05/16/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

maybe you should have spent more time making points and less time googling?  Since you never posted any content with the video one can only assume you agreed with everything in it.  Secondly birds are very clean creatures, its everything below them thats dirty.  Thirdly, if fruit isn't considered a special diet then what would be considered such?  See with a "dog" your feeding it horse everyday all day by the bag full, easy peasy.  Having to pick out fruits as well as a "special pellet" to ensure a "well balanced" diet, i think is considered special.  You know there's some extra effort involved wouldn't you think, quick google it.  Plus you have to be responsible enough to plan ahead, to order these pellets because im guessing its not readily availble in most stores.

Oh and the fact that you think birds are easy to take care of shows your lack of understanding of these animals.  Sure you can keep it locked up in a cage, sure you don't have to give it fruits, but then...you won't be a very good pet owner.  I suppose buggies and 'maybe' cockatiels might not each much fruit, i havn't looked into them much.  But there's alot more to birds once you realize the scope.  See they actually like to come out of there cages, they like to take baths, they like to play, and yet most people have them locked in a cage 24/7 like a gold fish.  While us more responsible owners realize they need those other things, thats part of taking care of them, then it becomes a 24/7 job, then suddenly your moving there cage into your bedroom so they can feel like family and not just a piece of furnature, suddenly there part of the 'flock', there not a 'pet'.

ooh and mr. buy a glider also mentioned a multivitamin every other day:drwario:


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14465027 - 05/16/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
getting my wisdom teeth taken out was the most pain ive ever experienced in my life.





My bottom two came in at the back aligned straight with my other teeth just fine... they hurt like hell coming through, though.

Had a abscess on the left side of my jaw from them earlier this year. Thought I might have to do some crazy shit with a pair of pliers it hurt so bad.

At the base of my gums near my front teeth, not near wisdom tooth at all - it was swollen and for a minute I thought I had another tooth growing outta my face...anyways I kept massaging it and eventually I spit up some blood and the swelling and pain instantly went away

My top two came in right behind my top teeth, but rotated like 30 degrees outward, respectively.

I haven't had any problems with swelling or pain from any of them for about a couple months now. Idk if I'll ever have to get them extracted. If so I want the gasSssSSSsSS

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14465082 - 05/16/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Pris. The latest I get off work is 9:30 and I stay up all night.


Its a bullshit misconception that they need absolute attention all day everyday.

Edit: I was planning on getting two for this purpose just in case since they are
so small anyways.





understand that the need to get a pair denotes they need that attention and
also that they will bond with each other and not yourself unless you get them
several months apart, while they are young they need the attention, it's
because of things like this that I've not purchased one several years ago

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14465187 - 05/16/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wisdom teeth are difficult to self diagnose problems with because many times they grow in wrong and may or may not cause problems to other teeth. Idk how old you are but if it's been awhile since your wisdom teeth came in then I'm assuming it's a cavity which will definitely fuck you up and cause serious issues if not felt with soon.

I have a friend who has lost the natural crown of both his lower bicuspids, he has no insurance and a family to support. These teeth are so bad it makes me sad to just think about... It all starts with a cavity/genetics and eventually you have a rotting tooth.

I work in the dental field and just getting your tooth pulled is a lot better than your options later on. I think it's so terrible how expensive dental procedures are but it's what you have to deal with.


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: 2Cents]
    #14465196 - 05/16/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I work in the dental field

I think it's so terrible how expensive dental procedures are but it's what you have to deal with.





:rolleyes:

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: TYL3R]
    #14465321 - 05/16/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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2Cents said:
I work in the dental field

I think it's so terrible how expensive dental procedures are but it's what you have to deal with.





:rolleyes:



I'm a dental lab technician. I work in a lab and have no control over what a doctor charges for my work. Even the tools and machines I use are massivley over priced. Anything with the word "dental" infront of it will be over priced. Let's say I have to make a gold crown for someone and I charge the doctor $100 for gold and labor then he will charge the patient $200 sometimes less or more but that's just for my work. Dentists are thieves.


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: 2Cents]
    #14465518 - 05/16/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i made this video a while back nobody ever posted in the thread so i might as well make use of it here. some of the stuff he likes to do is sleep on his back in my hand, scales down my mirror using ropes, hangs upside down while eating  you can see all his personality if you look at his eyes,he just wants and needs so much. Ive had him since 2004 i believe, every once in a while ill learn something new that he's trying to communicate to me.  like in this video he wants me to scratch his head but only how he wants it scratched.  but it takes alot of energy and patience which most don't have.  buying fruit everyday, cleaning up every 20 mins or hours or days for various things, its just a really big responsbility.

Video, oh and if you don't click play you'll just hear music:shrug:


im just tryin to show how much attention some animals need or should have,(and how cool they are) most people keep them caged and never see this side of there heart.  So then they get bored or can't understand them (or worse the animal hurts itself) and ship them off to rescue.  Some might want to do all this and do it when there around but just don't have the time and energy to do this everyday.  These little guys have lots of heart, they want to be out all the time, its like having a baby thats what it really is (or should be to people) thats why it should be a big decision.

They eat, sleep, play, and crap everywhere and they need/want that all day long.  And from what ive seen in video's and what ive read these gliders are worse about pretty much all of this to varying degree's.  If a bird is a big decision,and a responability then a glider shouldn't be taken lightly.  This is another's life in your hands for the next 20 years.  20 years of buying pellets,fruits, vitamins, and crap cleaning, 20 years of attention everyday.  If your a real animal lover and can pull it off then im sure it'll be pretty awesome, but if your like most who listen to a salesmen and dive headfirst its going to be 1 disappointed person and anothers life screwed up.  and with gliders because they bond so much, it'll ruin there life, moreso than a parrot when it happens, inwhich thats already horrible.  You look at there eye's and hearts and they just deserve so much.  Once you truely see it, you want others to see it, but you also want them to do it right.  I really wanted a sugar glider, for all the reasons everyone else got interested in them.  But from what i learned from my bird, i knew i wasn't ready, people should really master taking a bird in before moving up to a suger glider.


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: 2Cents]
    #14465676 - 05/17/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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2Cents said:
Wisdom teeth are difficult to self diagnose problems with because many times they grow in wrong and may or may not cause problems to other teeth. Idk how old you are but if it's been awhile since your wisdom teeth came in then I'm assuming it's a cavity which will definitely fuck you up and cause serious issues if not felt with soon.

I have a friend who has lost the natural crown of both his lower bicuspids, he has no insurance and a family to support. These teeth are so bad it makes me sad to just think about... It all starts with a cavity/genetics and eventually you have a rotting tooth.

I work in the dental field and just getting your tooth pulled is a lot better than your options later on. I think it's so terrible how expensive dental procedures are but it's what you have to deal with.





So how much does one pay for wisdom tooth extraction would you say??
Seems as if everyone says something different. I realize there must be different
costs for different cases but theres gotta be an average and or ballpark number.

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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14465832 - 05/17/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's really different for each case and each doctor. The doctors I work with are mostly "high-end" so they charge a lot. Being a technician I obviously don't work at the dental office so have little knowledge of dental procedures not involving myself(gold/porcelain crown, bridge, implant, ect).

It's expensive but if a patient can get 10 teeth ground down and replaced cosmetically done by a high end doctor with a large amount of gold and porcelain, hours of work done by the doctor and whatnot for 20k I think a extraction shouldn't be much. Iv never had my wisdom teeth removed.

Google it.


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Re: Wisdom teeth and sugar gliders [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14465889 - 05/17/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have the same problem with a fucked up filling.  The dentist gave me a script for 60 7.5mg vicodins.  I came back and asked for more after 60 days (to prove I wasn't abusing them), and she said I needed to try out a 600$ mouth guard before she prescribed anymore pills.  I told her I couldn't afford it, so she gave me a free sample of sensodyne toothpaste and told me to gtfo.

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