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Tangich


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A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades
#14418437 - 05/08/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi all! I would just like to share my experience with SRA cultures I got from shroomery members. Several months ago I received cultures from two different members. But in the end both behaved the same. Immediately after putting them on agar I suspected something was wrong. Everywhere I read SRA mycelium is described as very slow growing and rhizomorphic. This culture was the exact opposite. It recovered and started growing after ~12 hours, the plate was covered in 3 days with fluffy mycelium. But I gave it the benefit of the doubt and procedet to place it on grain, and then on sawdust. Both stages colonized quickly. I cased two bags (one of each culture) and placed them on the balcony. After several weeks I noticed a weird formation on the surface. At first I thought it might be some mycelial formation, but few days ago I saw a definite pore surface forming on the underside. I still have no idea what the mushroom is, but I'm fairly certain it's not any of commonly cultivated polypores. It's not reishi, and I don't think it's maitake. Some of the formations look like they might be Trametes versicolor, but I'm not sure because I never saw what one looks like fruiting from the top. I will let them develop so I can identify them. I'll post some pics when they mature a bit. I just wanted to warn you all, if you got SRA culture from a shroomery member, and want to make an outdoor patch, first make sure you have the real SRA mycelium!
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich] 3
#14418616 - 05/08/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just wanted to confirm that I have the same culture in my possession and the characteristics you described match my SRA culture, as well as the person I received it from. ANYONE who has received the King Stroph culture in trade from me should be aware that it was more then likely mislabeled. I appreciate you making this post Tangich, I will be taking that culture out of trading circulation until you are able to I.D what exactly this culture is. I did not grow it out yet so I did not realize that there was discrepancies.
Thanks for bringing this to everyone`s attention Tangich, much appreciated brother.
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14419341 - 05/08/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks EM. I have one on grain now and one that I planted in a bed two years ago. All it produced was a small cup-like fungus all over the bed. Will have to try to find out who has a proven culture.
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Hacendado
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: M8M]
#14425292 - 05/09/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also have the same culture, thank you for notifying us, I was just planning to make sawdust spawn for my outdoor bed in my garden If anyone has a proven SRA culture, and wants to share, please me
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Tangich


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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Hacendado]
#14425327 - 05/09/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was very excited to grow it. I was happy when I acquired the culture, cause I've spent two years looking for it in the wild without success. But the mycelium really didn't look right to me, that's why I made test bags. Good thing I did. I'm sure that most cultures from shroomery members are bunk (no offense to anyone), because they spread around quickly. But those cultures must have originated from somewhere, I don't think I'd trust anything else than cloning the mushroom myself right now. Hopefully someone will put the real culture of this species in circulation again!
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Feelers
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich]
#14425361 - 05/09/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's someone with (real) SRA's fruiting right now, might be a good idea to pm them.
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Feelers
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Feelers]
#14425387 - 05/09/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Feelers]
#14425579 - 05/09/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If anyone acquires a proven strain of SRA I would be very interested in a trade.
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Hacendado
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14426204 - 05/09/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've sent a to the person who has grown it, and now lets all hope that he's got a culture available. @Tangich: I agree with you about the cultures(mostly). It is because people do not grow them, they only trade them, but I'm planning to grow out all the cultures I have to test them and see what they really are. I have already discarded one reishi culture and one is in the testing procedure. But there are people who actually grow out their cultures and they can be trusted.
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Hacendado]
#14427149 - 05/09/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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check out this wild strain i can get for you guys too. this bastard was sooo big it fell over from its own weight!!
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#14427368 - 05/09/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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holy shit dude any idea what the name of that is?
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Tangich


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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: klik339]
#14428189 - 05/10/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hacendado said: @Tangich: I agree with you about the cultures(mostly). It is because people do not grow them, they only trade them, but I'm planning to grow out all the cultures I have to test them and see what they really are. I have already discarded one reishi culture and one is in the testing procedure. But there are people who actually grow out their cultures and they can be trusted.
Oh no, no, you misunderstood me, I was talking only about SRA, because we can't even be certain that all vendor cultures are real. I also try to grow all my cultures, and most can be recognized by the mycelial characteristic. I think I'll thrust that even more from now on. @psylosymonreturns - that looks amazing!! I remember that blueberry patch from last year! Does anyone know if Stropharia rugoso-annulata spores can easily germinate on agar, or do they need biological activity like Agaricus species?
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich]
#14428241 - 05/10/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried a few years back and they did not germinate on PDA, even after 2 months with no contam.
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Feelers]
#14428311 - 05/10/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting and good post. I got a SRA print in trade from someone in the EU a bit ago and have it going now on agar and grain. The mycelium is absolutely very slow growing and rhizomorphic.
If it turns out I grabbed good fruiting sectors, I'd be happy to trade/share with you guys. I move pretty slow though so don't expect results anytime soon, heh.
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: lazy bones]
#14428572 - 05/10/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Regarding spore germination... A few years ago I did it a few times in tiny jars with sterilized straw and didn't have a problem. Fresh spores germinated within two days, older spores needed four to six days after hydrating for 24 hrs.
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13shrooms
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#14430033 - 05/10/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: check out this wild strain i can get for you guys too. this bastard was sooo big it fell over from its own weight!!

is that king stroph/wine cap? 
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Edited by 13shrooms (05/10/11 02:23 PM)
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Tangich


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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: 13shrooms]
#14430058 - 05/10/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indeed it is! The name 'garden giant' is well earned!
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Tangich


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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich]
#14462613 - 05/16/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is getting ridiculous! Now it appears that both Agaricus bitorquis and Hypsizygus ulmarius cultures I got are actually reishi! Oh well... That 'SRA' is starting to look more and more like Trametes versicolor, but it's growing slow, last few days it has been really cold, day temps were below 70*F! I'll snap few pics and try to get a definite ID on it soon.
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich]
#14462853 - 05/16/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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a couple of years ago i received a syringe labeled a SRA which fruited reishi
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Re: A warning about Stropharia rugosoannulata from Shroomery trades [Re: Tangich]
#14463394 - 05/16/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tangich said: This is getting ridiculous! Now it appears that both Agaricus bitorquis and Hypsizygus ulmarius cultures I got are actually reishi! Oh well... That 'SRA' is starting to look more and more like Trametes versicolor, but it's growing slow, last few days it has been really cold, day temps were below 70*F! I'll snap few pics and try to get a definite ID on it soon.
I just got some Hypsizygus ulmarius in a baggie a couple weeks ago from the trade thread, I wonder.
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