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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: twighead]
#14473830 - 05/18/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dynomite said: how is it different?
religion has always been used as an excuse to justify war, on all sides
Its different because in the Middle East its entire nations and groups that use religion as a direct justification.
For troops that 'pray' that's individual, doesn't really effect anyone else, and not the reason they're there in the first place.
I think its silly too - but not the same in scope nor intent.
many people here think we are a christian nation, a lot of troops think they are doing god's work
you can't take the extreme posititions of the few and apply it to the whole
most people practice and regard islam as a religion of peace, some use it to justify killing
same with christianity, some turn the other cheek, and some burn the quran
different strokes
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: dynomite]
#14473903 - 05/18/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dynomite said:
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twighead said:
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dynomite said: how is it different?
religion has always been used as an excuse to justify war, on all sides
Its different because in the Middle East its entire nations and groups that use religion as a direct justification.
For troops that 'pray' that's individual, doesn't really effect anyone else, and not the reason they're there in the first place.
I think its silly too - but not the same in scope nor intent.
many people here think we are a christian nation, a lot of troops think they are doing god's work
you can't take the extreme posititions of the few and apply it to the whole
most people practice and regard islam as a religion of peace, some use it to justify killing
same with christianity, some turn the other cheek, and some burn the quran
different strokes
You're seeing the issue in terms of a comparison between different, but related elements.
It's not quite that simple. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Simply, there has been a chronic problem with terrorism and killing in the name of Allah.
There is a huge religious overtone in the Middle East.
People there are of the opinion that Westerners are evil.
The issue, as I see it, is that Islam predicates murder.
Further, the leaders of the Middle East are absolute shitfucks.
Iraq: Saddam Hussein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadam_Hussein
Iran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
Egypt: Mubarak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak
Libya: Muammar Gaddafi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
Afghanistan: Taliban http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan
The list goes on.
Corruption, murder, terrorism.
You do the math.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: dynomite]
#14473936 - 05/18/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Simply, there has been a chronic problem with terrorism and killing in the name of Allah.
There is a huge religious overtone in the Middle East.
how can you compare disorganized terrorism with the massive scale of our military machine
there are huge religious overtones in america too, ever noticed the president says "god bless america" at the end of EVERY speech?
and we used to support all the people on your list except maybe Ahmadinejad, but our relation with iran has always been complicated
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Mad_Larkin

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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: dynomite]
#14473941 - 05/18/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Still allowing yourselves to get trolled? Good going guys.
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iamnotadream
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14473976 - 05/18/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That double facepalm always trips me out. Looks like the guy has a super forehead
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twighead
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: dynomite]
#14474011 - 05/18/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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dynomite said: how is it different?
religion has always been used as an excuse to justify war, on all sides
Its different because in the Middle East its entire nations and groups that use religion as a direct justification.
For troops that 'pray' that's individual, doesn't really effect anyone else, and not the reason they're there in the first place.
I think its silly too - but not the same in scope nor intent.
many people here think we are a christian nation, a lot of troops think they are doing god's work
you can't take the extreme posititions of the few and apply it to the whole
most people practice and regard islam as a religion of peace, some use it to justify killing
same with christianity, some turn the other cheek, and some burn the quran
different strokes
Yeah but that's just what they think.. its not a reason we (as a nation) do anything.
The official stances of Iran, and other Islamic states and groups are officially determined by the Koran. And Islamic law is fucking brutal if you ask me, religion of peace until someone steals a loaf of bread and they amputate them - or till a wife cheats on her husband and gets stoned to death.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: twighead]
#14474070 - 05/18/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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but those aren't the reasons we oppose those regimes
we don't care about human rights violations, we only intervene if our self interests are affected
many of the tyrants imposing these ideologies were and are supported by our government
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14474081 - 05/18/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Still allowing yourselves to get trolled? Good going guys.

 you mean i'm not gonna win?!
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: dynomite]
#14474163 - 05/18/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We are just animals with really, really destructive weapons, far expanding mass manipulation through dogmatic beliefs (including government). Its not just the Middle East. They're the ones doing a large amount of the reported atrocities currently. Look back on human history and then try to complain about violence.
We are animals. Animals tend to be violent, especially intelligent and social animals.
Stop trying to act like your very own government hasn't had its own hand in terrible, terrible things against other peoples. Its how we roll, as a species.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: TTT]
#14474411 - 05/18/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14474976 - 05/18/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Here's a little balance for this thread:
Abu Ghraib Graphic My Lai Massacre Graphic No Gun Ri Massacre US Torture in Somalia
This is a high school level argument. You're putting up a word, then showing pictures.
The events you mentioned happened a long time ago, or aren't consistent with any sort of rebuttal against koran-condoned violence.
What do you have to say to the fact that multiple leaders of middle eastern countries have been hanged by war crimes tribunals, run out of office by the general population, had arrest warrants issued by the ITC, are targets of NATO bombing, and hide nuclear weapons?
These are the LEADERS OF COUNTRIES I'm talking about.
What do you have to say about that?
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475119 - 05/18/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a high school level argument. You're putting up a word, then showing pictures.
This was actually no level of argument. I was showing you that violence happens in all cultures and by all religons and races. You shouldn't hold yourself above any religion or race.
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The events you mentioned happened a long time ago,
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or aren't consistent with any sort of rebuttal against koran-condoned violence.
I wasn't trying to defend the Qur'an in any way, yes the Qur'an condones violence against women, against Unbelievers, against criminals. But so do many other religious books.
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What do you have to say to the fact that multiple leaders of middle eastern countries have been hanged by war crimes tribunals, run out of office by the general population, had arrest warrants issued by the ITC, are targets of NATO bombing, and hide nuclear weapons?
I say what I've already said, and what many other posters have said. Religion has very little to do with it. There are many dictators in the world and the majority are non-Muslims. Humans are power hungry and prone to violence, sometimes they use religion to justify this violence. The violence will occur anyway.
Are we done here?
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475378 - 05/18/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: They're always getting fucking with by Israel. It doesn't stop.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14475429 - 05/18/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a high school level argument. You're putting up a word, then showing pictures.
This was actually no level of argument. I was showing you that violence happens in all cultures and by all religons and races. You shouldn't hold yourself above any religion or race.
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The events you mentioned happened a long time ago,
Because they happened a long time ago they don't matter? 
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or aren't consistent with any sort of rebuttal against koran-condoned violence.
I wasn't trying to defend the Qur'an in any way, yes the Qur'an condones violence against women, against Unbelievers, against criminals. But so do many other religious books.
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What do you have to say to the fact that multiple leaders of middle eastern countries have been hanged by war crimes tribunals, run out of office by the general population, had arrest warrants issued by the ITC, are targets of NATO bombing, and hide nuclear weapons?
I say what I've already said, and what many other posters have said. Religion has very little to do with it. There are many dictators in the world and the majority are non-Muslims. Humans are power hungry and prone to violence, sometimes they use religion to justify this violence. The violence will occur anyway.
Are we done here?
It's easy for you to spin off these lines, but what you haven't done is address ANY of the current issues concerning middle eastern governments, terrorism, and religion-induced violence.
Are you ignorant of the fact that the leader of Libya is threatening to use human shields? Or that he's killed protestors and buried them in mass graves?
Where were you when the leader of Egypt was thrown out of office?
EDIT: you're muslim, or affiliated with Islam. No wonder you're trying to throw all this stuff out there. Your tag line translates to "allah is the greatest." Gee, I wonder why you keep hiding behind loose, invalid arguments when confronted with facts about Islam promoting terror and killing. I'm done talking with you. You should go home and take a long look in the mirror before coming onto a forum to spout muslim-denial. You, and people like you, are the current boogeymen of the world. Just like the Nazi's, you and your haji buddies need to find their ends.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475625 - 05/18/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Address my previous post, ya fuckin honky.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475643 - 05/18/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: EDIT: you're muslim, or affiliated with Islam. No wonder you're trying to throw all this stuff out there. Your tag line translates to "allah is the greatest." Gee, I wonder why you keep hiding behind loose, invalid arguments when confronted with facts about Islam promoting terror and killing. I'm done talking with you. You should go home and take a long look in the mirror before coming onto a forum to spout muslim-denial. You, and people like you, are the current boogeymen of the world. Just like the Nazi's, you and your haji buddies need to find their ends.

I'm not Muslim and nor am I "affiliated" to Islam (whatever that means). I like Middle-Eastern culture, that is all. You'll notice I have the words "hashish" in Arabic and "bhang" in Hindi in my sig also.
Hashish is forbidden under Islamic law.
You're a reactionary idiot.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14475667 - 05/18/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: EDIT: you're muslim, or affiliated with Islam. No wonder you're trying to throw all this stuff out there. Your tag line translates to "allah is the greatest." Gee, I wonder why you keep hiding behind loose, invalid arguments when confronted with facts about Islam promoting terror and killing. I'm done talking with you. You should go home and take a long look in the mirror before coming onto a forum to spout muslim-denial. You, and people like you, are the current boogeymen of the world. Just like the Nazi's, you and your haji buddies need to find their ends.

I'm not Muslim and nor am I "affiliated" to Islam (whatever that means). I like Middle-Eastern culture, that is all. You'll notice I have the words "hashish" in Arabic and "bhang" in Hindi in my sig also.
Hashish is forbidden under Islamic law.
You're a reactionary idiot.
الله أكبر translates to "allah is greatest."
Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't want people thinking you were Muslim, you wouldn't put that on there? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475676 - 05/18/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would I care if someone thought I was a Muslim? I know plenty of cool Muslims. Unlike you, I'm not a xenophobe.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14475700 - 05/18/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Why would I care if someone thought I was a Muslim? I know plenty of cool Muslims. Unlike you, I'm not a xenophobe.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
I'm against religions that promote violence.
The middle east is full of corrupt dictators.
Terrorism is ongoing.
Anti-antisemitism is ongoing.
Murder of innocent people is never justified. According to Islam, and by your own admission, IT IS.
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Re: Can we bomb the middle east, already? [Re: CaptainAhab]
#14475752 - 05/18/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They are not innocent in the eyes of the Qu'ran.
You'd be hard pressed to find a religion that does not promote violence. It is an instrument of fear. e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_Torah
An eye for an eye will make the world blind.
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