|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization?
#14462751 - 05/16/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I want to have my monotubs pump out yeilds quickly. How quickly would this happen?
Ill be using WBS 1:1 ratio to Coir/Verm in a 106 qt monotubs.
I know this will keep contams out , but I also want this to go fast.
Any suggestions?
5 Qts of WBS and 2 bricks of coir with a quart of verm. Also throwing a qt frosting layer on top.
How fast will i get results?
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 4 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14462770 - 05/16/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Adding too much spawn isn't going to speed anything up. For example, I spawn many substrates at a 1:10 ratio and they're still fully colonized in ten to fourteen days. I doubt you'll see any increase in speed by going more than 1:3. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14462852 - 05/16/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Ah I didn't know it wouldn't help. RR, could you make me a custom recipe for what I have and how I should utilize it?
I have 56 qt jars of WBS spawn. How much coir and Verm should I put in each 106qt monotub?
Any suggestion would be appreciated!
Also how many quarts does 2 bricks of Coir make if you know on the top of your head? Otherwise I'll search it, I know I've seen it once before.
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
bootster


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,531
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14462968 - 05/16/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
The "frosting layer" is a bad idea and outdated.
|
Fungal growth
Lootinint



Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 3,641
Loc: under a rock in your yard
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: bootster]
#14463278 - 05/16/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
bootster said: The "frosting layer" is a bad idea and outdated.
|
afrosheen
9Lives the cat



Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Fungal growth]
#14463406 - 05/16/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
If you're using coir as a frosting layer, you have the right idea, but exposed spawn on the top layer = failboat.
--------------------
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Fungal growth]
#14463429 - 05/16/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Any idea what type of recipe I should use?
Okay so no frosting layer lol, shall I put it in the substrate itself? or should I do what RR suggests, 1:3 Ratio? would a 1:2 ratio be better?
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: afrosheen]
#14463434 - 05/16/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
afrosheen said: If you're using coir as a frosting layer, you have the right idea, but exposed spawn on the top layer = failboat.
I usually case half of my monotubs with a moist layer of Verm. Would this boat float better?
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
bootster


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,531
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14463449 - 05/16/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I'd follow RR's advice
|
afrosheen
9Lives the cat



Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14463464 - 05/16/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Ratio is up to you brother. If you have 56qt of WBS colonized (jesus man, really?) make a shit ton of monotubs. You have enough spawn to go 1:1 on a few tubs, in fact, just mix it up. Make a few 1:4, a few 1:2, etc.. Whatever you do, don't waste spawn on making a gigantic megatub. For some reason I don't see this scaling very well.
No offense RR, but I find it odd that ratio doesn't matter. It seems to me ratio always matters, which is why we shake jars. It takes a long time for mycelium to get from grain A at the top to grain B at the bottom if there's nothing linking it up in between. Same logic applies to concentration of colonized grain in a substrate doesn't it? Although..you do speak from experience.
--------------------
|
afrosheen
9Lives the cat



Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14463470 - 05/16/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mawkiie42o said:
Quote:
afrosheen said: If you're using coir as a frosting layer, you have the right idea, but exposed spawn on the top layer = failboat.
I usually case half of my monotubs with a moist layer of Verm. Would this boat float better?
Yeah verm is alright, works as a barrier for BRF jars so I imagine what you're doing is just fine. I'd bake it first if it was me just to kill anything potentially glued to it.
--------------------
|
bootster


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,531
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: afrosheen]
#14463491 - 05/16/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
afrosheen said: Ratio is up to you brother. If you have 56qt of WBS colonized (jesus man, really?) make a shit ton of monotubs. You have enough spawn to go 1:1 on a few tubs, in fact, just mix it up. Make a few 1:4, a few 1:2, etc.. Whatever you do, don't waste spawn on making a gigantic megatub. For some reason I don't see this scaling very well.
No offense RR, but I find it odd that ratio doesn't matter. It seems to me ratio always matters, which is why we shake jars. It takes a long time for mycelium to get from grain A at the top to grain B at the bottom if there's nothing linking it up in between. Same logic applies to concentration of colonized grain in a substrate doesn't it? Although..you do speak from experience.
I don't know shit (no pun) about this but I kind of think that you want 'nutes to be in the correct ratio to your substrate. Too much spawn would be less 'nutes,like simply casing grains. Am I off base with this prognosis?
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: bootster]
#14463620 - 05/16/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I like the 106qt monotubs because they fit very well on my shelves, but I don't mind having more sitting against a wall. I do want to slowly work a schedule so every few weeks I'm pumping out a few p's. So maybe I'll do most 1:1 ratio and then some 1:2 ratio So the some take a longer time to colonize, I just know for sure I want 6 monotubs done as fast as possible.
Quote:
bootster said:
Quote:
afrosheen said: Ratio is up to you brother. If you have 56qt of WBS colonized (jesus man, really?) make a shit ton of monotubs. You have enough spawn to go 1:1 on a few tubs, in fact, just mix it up. Make a few 1:4, a few 1:2, etc.. Whatever you do, don't waste spawn on making a gigantic megatub. For some reason I don't see this scaling very well.
No offense RR, but I find it odd that ratio doesn't matter. It seems to me ratio always matters, which is why we shake jars. It takes a long time for mycelium to get from grain A at the top to grain B at the bottom if there's nothing linking it up in between. Same logic applies to concentration of colonized grain in a substrate doesn't it? Although..you do speak from experience.
I don't know shit (no pun) about this but I kind of think that you want 'nutes to be in the correct ratio to your substrate. Too much spawn would be less 'nutes,like simply casing grains. Am I off base with this prognosis?
I'd figure there would be More nutes due to it colonizing faster if I used more spawn. But i'm still a noob.
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 4 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: afrosheen]
#14463837 - 05/16/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
afrosheen said: No offense RR, but I find it odd that ratio doesn't matter.
I never said ratio doesn't matter. I said beyond 1:3 there's little benefit in colonization speed or anything else. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
bootster


Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 1,531
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14463845 - 05/16/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I think what you may want to think about is how many flushes you get out of your initial mono substrate investment. The "'nutes" is how much hpoo/coir available to the myc. I got three flushes out of my first mono with a lot of mushies on each flush. If you go 1:1 on your spawn,you are sacrificing 'nutes for speed(IMO). I'd rather get three nice flushes than one and done. That's just my theory as this is all new to me but I think that I understand the theory behind it.
RR will set you straight. 1:3 is what I do now based on his advice and the advice of others.
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 4 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: bootster]
#14463880 - 05/16/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Actually, grains are far more nutritious than coir or verm, straw, compost, manure, etc. However, it's not about 'nutes' the way plant growing works. More 'nutes' with mushroom growing can lead to contamination and mutant blobs instead of real mushrooms. 1:3 is a good ratio for beginners to get a good cross between performance and yield.
As you gain experience, you can use less and less spawn, thus getting far more product out of your grain spawn. I use 1:10, but that's after enough experience to always have the moisture content exactly right, the spawn pure, and the substrate properly pasteurized or sterilized. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
Mawkiie42o
SleepWalker42o


Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 71
Last seen: 11 years, 9 days
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14463921 - 05/16/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Okay so let's see, Will this werk? . . .
2 Bricks of coir, 6 quarts of WBS spawn, a qt of Verm, a qt of Coffee [Maybe...] and a thin layer of verm with a little lime for casing, in a 106qt monotub =]
Any tweeks needed?
-------------------- Living for what you'll die for.
|
ar1es
Psychonaut



Registered: 07/09/10
Posts: 776
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: Mawkiie42o]
#14464258 - 05/16/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
i figured more spawn = faster colonization
i know when i use a higher ratio then it gives other baddies a chance to grab a hold of my sub before the myc can get a chance
a 3/10 ratio is the lowest i go when using poo based subs but im not using isolates
i just made the decision to bump up my ratio to a 4/10 minimum because 3/10 doesnt seem to colonize fast enough
RR has good advice but i dont see how a higher ratio woulndt mean faster colonization
so a 1:1 ratio would not colonize faster?
in my experience the lower the ratio the faster the colonization but RR does have me by a lifetime on the experience tip
-------------------- " here is nothing lost or wasted in this life.” - Bhagavad Gita
|
afrosheen
9Lives the cat



Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 1,878
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Spawn 6:10 Substrate Ratio. How long until full colinization? [Re: ar1es]
#14464448 - 05/16/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
So high ratios are a safety net because they DO colonize faster, but are wasteful if your substrate and spawn are virtually perfect. Point taken.
Started 2 monos today, went 1:2 on one and 1:4 on another with the same batch of substrate. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out because they're in new clear tubs also, so I can watch them progress.
Thanks for the advice RR, nice of you to check in on us once in awhile.
--------------------
|
|