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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14495437 - 05/22/11 06:26 PM (13 years, 48 minutes ago)

Kinda supports what I was saying about the transitional nature of anarchism....

The Black Guards were a phase between the Bolsheviks (I believe at one time they were aligned with them as well).


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Re: Anarchism [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14496047 - 05/22/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They were not a phase, they were crushed by the bolcheviks. Anarchists and communist were both member of the first international, so it was natural that some alliance between both would exist. If you claim anarchists are a phase, then you should think twice about your own definition of the state.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14496080 - 05/22/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

To state that the Black Guard was a successful anarchist state and operated  as one  is quite the leap.

They were aligned with the Bolsheviks and got played in the end.


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Re: Anarchism [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14496935 - 05/22/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

they were under a state of war just like republican spain was, there is no proof of their success or failure. they did organise well when it comes to the military, they simply were played. Lenin often praised them and he was far more moderate toward them than trotsky or the unknown stalin at the time, the two possible sucessor.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14497793 - 05/23/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ooooh this talk of the black guard is interesting!  i was previusly unaware!

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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14498381 - 05/23/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i think russia had a good black army before the bolsheviks started crushing them or arranging battles between the white army and them so that both would be destroyed in the process. they declared free speech wherever they went.




They were in Ukraine, yo.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14498395 - 05/23/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know, i think their actions overlapped in russia to fight the white armies though, i do believe they declared free speech in all cities that they liberated. they were not anarchists in the organisation of the army either, they were realistic.

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