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OfflineSolomon Ash
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Re: Anarchism [Re: Phred]
    #14472575 - 05/18/11 10:49 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

"Oh please! Let's try to avoid hysterically exaggerated drama queen pronouncements for the rest of this thread, okay?"

Um... all the things I mentioned were totally real. I don't think it really qualifies as a hysterically exaggerated drama queen pronouncement to point out that the American government has a history of unjust wars (vietnam) has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, has waged a long and brutally illegitimate war on drugs, and has passed the patriot act and other acts that severely limit civil liberties.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14472628 - 05/18/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 4 days ago)

like he said.  draaaaama queeeeeen :silly:

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14473867 - 05/18/11 03:15 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

Solomon Ash said:
"Oh please! Let's try to avoid hysterically exaggerated drama queen pronouncements for the rest of this thread, okay?"

Um... all the things I mentioned were totally real. I don't think it really qualifies as a hysterically exaggerated drama queen pronouncement to point out that the American government has a history of unjust wars (vietnam) has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, has waged a long and brutally illegitimate war on drugs, and has passed the patriot act and other acts that severely limit civil liberties.



1.  Vietnam was not unjust.  Ask the ghosts of South Vietnamese victims murdered after their defeat.
2.  Several other countries also have huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons, some of them rather actively opposed to the US.  Who knew?
3.  Every single nation on the planet is involved in drug prohibition
4.  The Patriot Act has had zero impact on my civil liberties


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OfflineVsnares.Zappa
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Re: Anarchism [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14473880 - 05/18/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Anarchism = Order without hierarchy. it's not about abolishing state/government

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Re: Anarchism [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14473887 - 05/18/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
1.  Vietnam was not unjust. .



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Re: Anarchism [Re: memes]
    #14475951 - 05/18/11 10:30 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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meams said:
You're argument is silly.  And I have no need to elaborate on my property law knowledge.  I dont know dick about individual property laws, but i DO know that if I dont own my property, I have no incentive to maintain or improve it, since the fruits of that property are not my own.

Its logic.  Those of us who have the ability to rationally think use it well.




Regarding your counterpoints:  they're more-or-less silly.





You could have just shortened this to:
"I don't know dick, but that isn't going to stop me". 
Would've been sufficient.  Really.  And you threw in that logic shit for the lulz, right?

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14476037 - 05/18/11 10:51 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I seriously wonder why some of the people posting on these boards are here.  Its pretty obvious that they don't partake in any illicit substances other than possibly coke or meth. 

I honestly don't know one person who uses beneficial mind altering substances and holds the destructive viewpoints expressed by Shroomery's resident "political experts".  Seriously guys, tells us - have you ever taken a psychedelic drug?  Or did you do it once in college and that makes you legit?  Or maybe you just run into annoying people who actually know what they're talking about on real political forums, so you have no choice but to post here?   

You are obviously the outsiders in such a community. So seriously, of all places, why Shroomery?

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Joe Joe] * 2
    #14476345 - 05/19/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Not all psychedelic users must be stoopid hippies, sorry.


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Re: Anarchism [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14477147 - 05/19/11 06:47 AM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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Joe Joe said:
I honestly don't know one person who uses beneficial mind altering substances and holds the destructive viewpoints expressed by Shroomery's resident "political experts".  Seriously guys, tells us - have you ever taken a psychedelic drug?  Or did you do it once in college and that makes you legit?  Or maybe you just run into annoying people who actually know what they're talking about on real political forums, so you have no choice but to post here?

You are obviously the outsiders in such a community. So seriously, of all places, why Shroomery?



Lol so people need to be part of the majority to participate in a community? [edit:  you realize what your presumption indicates about drug users in america right?]

Additionally, did you just use the word "legit" in reference to the extent to which people use drugs?  So I'm only a legit shroomery member if i do halucinogens frequently, with lots of tapestries on my wall and a TiT in my closet? 

Your views on shroomery member credibility are as rediculous as your views on government role in civilian life

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14478312 - 05/19/11 12:16 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

Presumably, one is equally welcome on these boards if they've never used a drug in their life, right?  Your post is silly on a number of levels.

Furthermore, you realize that you just called someone who not only has been here 5 years longer than you and has over 10,000 more posts here than you, but also knows how to correctly reply to a specific post not "legit", right?

Edited by ChuangTzu (05/19/11 12:22 PM)

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Re: Anarchism [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14478567 - 05/19/11 01:12 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

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ChuangTzu said:
Furthermore, you realize that you just called someone who not only has been here 5 years longer than you and has over 10,000 more posts here than you, but also knows how to correctly reply to a specific post not "legit", right?



I love you too ChangTzu :hugz:



....but he was prooooobably not even talking about me, right? :rolleyes:  Clearly just referring to zappa :lol:

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Re: Anarchism [Re: memes]
    #14479010 - 05/19/11 02:37 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

There are people who I know IRL who occasionally browse the forum and know my username.  Some of them are my children.  In the words of a wise sage, "I aint copping to nuttin'".  And to Joeboy, in the words of another wise sage, namely Phred, "there is no evidence that mushrooms make you stupid".  That's why we aren't all liberal bums.


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Re: Anarchism [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14484944 - 05/20/11 03:17 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I despise anarchist, all they ever do is argue that we can achieve something politically without any hierarchy. That cops can be replaced by community watch bullshit. they systematically do this kind of crap. they also make good little antifascist thugs seeing as how they love bakunin's quote on the nationalisme of the oppressed. they will kick your ass and call you fascist because you are both white and an oppressed nationality. too easily do canadian anarchistf fall in the crypto-fascist trap of calling the quebec separatist movement nazi, most of them are nothing but the same thing as communist liberals, who are communist on the outside but when shit hits the fan they collaborate with the imperialists and their bourgeoisie because they are anti-nationalist. We live in a different world than 130 years ago where the communist and the anarchist represented something good like in the paris commune or the first international where both anarchist and communist would cooperate.

The only anarchists who ever achieve anything are those who gasp, organise themselves with a hierarchy. the other anarchist then sabotage this phony-anarchist organisation. it's a cycle.  anarchists basicly come from petit-bourgeois background, and are as such, extremely irritated by the fact that radical activist who are children of working class parents actually prefer the nationalist to them simply because they see the nationalist as a true force that could achieve something to fight the corrupt plutocrats in power that they want to bring down

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14487719 - 05/21/11 12:32 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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Solomon Ash said:
Do you feel that anarchism is a meaningful and relevant political philosophy?





Not really. Some people say that anarchy is the political extreme of libertarianism -- like communism is the extreme of socialism or such...


Community is good - at local and global levels. I can see why kids today think anarchy may be OK. But Anarchy doesn't really go anywhere except into a spiral... Just look at Mexico...

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Re: Anarchism [Re: txlibertarian]
    #14488073 - 05/21/11 02:21 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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Not really. Some people say that anarchy is the political extreme of libertarianism -- like communism is the extreme of socialism or such...


Community is good - at local and global levels. I can see why kids today think anarchy may be OK. But Anarchy doesn't really go anywhere except into a spiral... Just look at Mexico...



taking the drug war as exemple of why anarchism is bad is truly misunderstanding the theory, between the theory and the people is 2 different thing. an anarchist in my opinion would never have a drug war for that is the basis of the anti-state movement, the communist agrees with anarchists but are progressive . and by that i mean that they go slowly toward a non-state society. no matter how wrong we say of communism, Mao said that society needs multiple cultural revolution before it can reach true communism which is a country without the limitation of a state. State oppression toward woman,stranger,ethnic minorities or even homosexuals if you are christians, all those pre coordinated oppression by the state which are inevitable under minarchism would be gone under anarchism or communism.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: Solomon Ash]
    #14491885 - 05/21/11 10:53 PM (13 years, 20 hours ago)

Anarchy is nothing more than a transitional phase between one form of government to another....kind like what Phred said with the whole utopian example.


In the end, at some point, a governmental body will arise.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Anarchism [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14492812 - 05/22/11 05:57 AM (13 years, 13 hours ago)

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Anarchy is nothing more than a transitional phase between one form of government to another....kind like what Phred said with the whole utopian example.


In the end, at some point, a governmental body will arise.




That's because he played the game civilization. if at some point, a governmental body appear, then it will need to be fought by the people who made anarchism there in the first place, kinda similar as to how the united states no longer respect states rights, there are many people fighting for a constitutional country. The republican revolution of america is now corrupted due to bad elections, just like we can clearly see that the war on drugs is a deeply anti-american thing by essence.

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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14492864 - 05/22/11 06:38 AM (13 years, 12 hours ago)

Hmmm, fighting against every government that might appear... shouldn't there be like an organization for this? You know, with meetings and planning and of course the group will have it's leaders. Although, this sounds familiar. Hold on, I think I've got it. Maybe there should be an anti-government govern. :smirk:


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Re: Anarchism [Re: communeart]
    #14493002 - 05/22/11 08:01 AM (13 years, 11 hours ago)

Can you please provide a specific example of a country, nation, nation-state, etc
(other then a commune in buttfucked Egypt) where anarchy has taken root?


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Re: Anarchism [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14493828 - 05/22/11 12:25 PM (13 years, 6 hours ago)

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Hmmm, fighting against every government that might appear... shouldn't there be like an organization for this? You know, with meetings and planning and of course the group will have it's leaders. Although, this sounds familiar. Hold on, I think I've got it. Maybe there should be an anti-government govern.



i know, anarchist are self-loathing by essence. the only anarchist who achieve something are hated by everyone for achieving anything. eventually they join antifa because they can kick some ass and pretend their not doing state sanctionned beatings. girls love antifa too, they are feminist and still manly.

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Can you please provide a specific example of a country, nation, nation-state, etc
(other then a commune in buttfucked Egypt) where anarchy has taken root?




i think russia had a good black army before the bolsheviks started crushing them or arranging battles between the white army and them so that both would be destroyed in the process. they declared free speech wherever they went.

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