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Elite Fitness
    #14460842 - 05/16/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello shroomery.

In my trial to become bigger and muscular I have succeeded. I think in about another year I will be satisfied with my mass and weightlifting skills. But then this morning I found myself asking... what next?

What I want: To weigh in at around 200 pounds of muscle and be able to run, swim, and be flexible. My question is: Is it possible to retain muscular mass and still have elite cardio?

When I think about the question I just asked I often think about football players. Their lives have to be essentially eating, training, and sleeping.

I asked myself what elite fitness is. What came to mind first was people who do triathlons. But then I thought that those are more cardio than anything. I remembered... crossfit.

The next challenge I want to take. I think I found it. The Crossfit Games.



The issue really is.. How much do you have to give to be able to do something like this? How much... do you have to EAT? To retain mass and gain elite cardio will I have to increase my meals from 7 to 12?

The Crossfit Games seem like they may be my next step. For the next year I want to keep weightlifting. I want to achieve a mass of 220 and I will also train to be lean. I have just recently began studying for my CSCS (nationally accredited by the NCCA, Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist, http://www.nsca-cc.org/cscs/about.html ) exam which will absolutely help me achieve any fitness goals. Eventually I plan to go back to college for Kinesiology or Exercise Science. Its all leading me to one challenge. Elite Fitness and Health. I want it.

Does anyone know anything about keeping muscular mass and gaining stamina-cardio at the same time?


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: XUL]
    #14460867 - 05/16/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man some football players weigh 250-300 and they are fit as fuck/fast its all about training for what you want to do or how you want to be...you have to ultimately do one or the other a little more depending on what your trying to accomplish. The easiest thing to do though is to build your muscles up as much as you can cause you will burn more calories when you stop and focus on cardio.

Lucky I have a big frame and have always been kinda big so gaining muscle hasent been my problem....losing fat has. I do both weights and cardio about equal an hour each I'm 200lb 5 11


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: thodub]
    #14461658 - 05/16/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You are on the right track in defining what you want exactly. Crossfit should offer you the best base level of fitness of any protocol out there. But if you want to specialize into a sport, then you will have to then focus more hours into that specialty with Crossfit as just a few hours a week to maintain your base. The Crossfit games are spectacular, but I have a hard time justifying training so hard just to compete in the same training exercise. I train to be better at life, not to be the best at training.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: IcheNe]
    #14462784 - 05/16/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I train to be better at life, not to be the best at training.




I agree completely with this.

Although those games look very grueling, i absolutely would not consider those people the "fittest person alive." I think endurance is a HUGE part of fitness, and 1 day of competition doesn't even begin to touch the realm of true endurance.

When i think of elite fitness i imagine a combination of:

Sprinters,explorers, swimmers, mountaineers, rock climbers, triathletes, endurance athletes and oly lifters.

I think endurance is a HUGE part of fitness, and 1 day of competition doesn't even begin to touch the realm of true endurance.

Although i see your point - being jacked, strong, and hella fit is a great goal, and one i am after myself.

However, i would much rather do a 10 hour ironman instread of having big arms.

The point i am trying to make is; Is retaining mass doesn't have much to do with elite fitness, in my eyes.

Goodluck to you though XUL, i always enjoy your posts.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: PDU]
    #14464061 - 05/16/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Become a Navy SEAL if you really want to be elite.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: TheCreampie]
    #14464408 - 05/16/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the ideas guys.



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Become a Navy SEAL if you really want to be elite.




For the longest time I wanted to. But then I realized I have no interest in killing. So now I am trying to get into the Navy for rescue swimming.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: XUL]
    #14464603 - 05/16/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So now I am trying to get into the Navy for rescue swimming.




Awesome. Very brave.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: PDU]
    #14467724 - 05/17/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my. How great. I just found a Crossfit Gym near me and they said they would love to have me. Its an hour and a half away but I am willing to put in the effort if the training is decent.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: PDU]
    #14468118 - 05/17/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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IcheNe said:
I train to be better at life, not to be the best at training.




I agree completely with this.

Although those games look very grueling, i absolutely would not consider those people the "fittest person alive." I think endurance is a HUGE part of fitness, and 1 day of competition doesn't even begin to touch the realm of true endurance.

When i think of elite fitness i imagine a combination of:

Sprinters,explorers, swimmers, mountaineers, rock climbers, triathletes, endurance athletes and oly lifters.

I think endurance is a HUGE part of fitness, and 1 day of competition doesn't even begin to touch the realm of true endurance.

Although i see your point - being jacked, strong, and hella fit is a great goal, and one i am after myself.

However, i would much rather do a 10 hour ironman instread of having big arms.

The point i am trying to make is; Is retaining mass doesn't have much to do with elite fitness, in my eyes.

Goodluck to you though XUL, i always enjoy your posts.




If you get into the CrossFit methodology and concept, everything you described as being "elite fitness" is what CrossFit utilizes to get the basic, foundational level of fitness to fortify our specialty training of choice. CrossFit doesn't seek to specialize, but enlarge the base level of our fitness pyramid, in order to build the pyramid taller. Of course, there are people that bastardize CrossFit and make it cultish....they are stupid ;-)

The CrossFit games are a weekend, not a day. No, they do not test long, low intensity endurance, but the mission of the games may well challenge people with this type of activity at some point. "Constantly varied,functional movement, at relatively high intensities" does not preclude a 15k or something.

A lot of CrossFitters do challenge themselves with ultra-marathons 50-100 mile runs, Quad Dipsea, tough mudders, etc. What is fascinating is that they often perform extremely well without modifying their CrossFit protocol very much. Check out Brian Mckenzie's work at CrossFit Endurance to see some amazing things, including T.J. Murphy's (editor of a Triathlete magazine) training with Brian.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: IcheNe]
    #14468170 - 05/17/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I always like p90x if you do it consistently it'll get you in great shape in no time.:awesomenod:


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    #14468693 - 05/17/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I always like p90x if you do it consistently it'll get you in great shape in no time.:awesomenod:





My one friend was crazy about p90x. I think it looks neat except it lacks most the things I want perfect. The Snatch and The Clean and Jerk.


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: IcheNe]
    #14469036 - 05/17/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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A lot of CrossFitters do challenge themselves with ultra-marathons 50-100 mile runs, Quad Dipsea, tough mudders, etc. What is fascinating is that they often perform extremely well without modifying their CrossFit protocol very much. Check out Brian Mckenzie's work at CrossFit Endurance to see some amazing things, including T.J. Murphy's (editor of a Triathlete magazine) training with Brian.




Food for thought, and some reading for later. Thanks. :smile:


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Re: Elite Fitness [Re: PDU]
    #14470927 - 05/17/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What do you weigh now?  If you want to weigh 200 cut you are going to have to bulk to about 220-225 or so.  If I were you I wouldn't even worry about cardio/endurance or cross fit routines until you have achieved your final 200 lb cut goal. Being cut will be the way easier for cross-fitting as you'll have less mass you'll to throw around on all those pull ups or whatever random exercise they have you doing..  In my experience at 170-180 pounds extremely cut when I was doing kickboxing and circuit style training it was much easier to be quick,flexible, and do gymnastic type of stuff on bars, boxes etc. than when I am bulking out, where you have a lot of strength but sacrifice speed, endurance, etc.  Its hard to have both at the same time, its much more effective to just focus on one or the other IME.


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