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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell *DELETED* [Re: Revelation]
    #6627127 - 03/02/07 05:14 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #6627183 - 03/02/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Can someone tell me exactly what is the purpose of this post and what we are trying to prove or figuire out here.

It seems to me it was well known they had to pull it for whatever reasons, not that it blew up to terrorist attack (that specific building)

Whicih, can lead to a misflow of information or abuse there-of as the press just LOVES to be the FIRST to report it, so leave it to the euro's who assume their views wouldnt know if it really did or not, and they get the memo they are GOING to pull it, so they report it early.

What the hell is the big conspiracy anyways? Buildings get demo'd all the time when there is a chance it could cause more harm by leaving it left standing.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: mndfreeze]
    #6627189 - 03/02/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

See, that's the thing.

According to the official story the building was not demolished, it came down unexpectedly due to fire damage. Because, as has been previously mentioned, it takes weeks of work and planning to implement a controlled demolition.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Revelation]
    #6627195 - 03/02/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Who's 'offical' statement?

The owner was on TV and publically stated it was demolished.

Maybe it was an emergency demo in reaction to everything else, someone thought it was to dangerous to leave standing. *shrug* I dont see what the big conspiracy here is about. Its a ton of people all with their own versions of the same damn story. The news will ALWAYS spin things to get ratings, the government isnt concerned with if it was demo'd or not because really, its irrelvevant to them. It was publically stated by the owner. Who cares since no one was hurt?


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: mndfreeze]
    #6627230 - 03/02/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well, FEMA says:

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The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.




By the time the Report was published, calling for further research, investigation, and analyses, nearly all of the structural steel had been recycled.

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Granny said:
Who's 'offical' statement?

The owner was on TV and publically stated it was demolished.

Maybe it was an emergency demo in reaction to everything else, someone thought it was to dangerous to leave standing.




Yes, the owner said it was demolished. This is contrary to the official statement as it implies that the building was rigged in advance to be demolished, it certainly could not have been done in a matter of hours during an extreme emergency. Does that not strike you as odd?


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Redstorm]
    #6627286 - 03/02/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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If the line was pressurized, more fuel would replaced the fuel burned off without any sort of power supply.




How would it be pressurized without power? Can diesel fuel really damage concrete and steal?


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Ferris]
    #6627292 - 03/02/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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So, um, a large conspiracy is the simplest explanation for a lack of evidence either way?




Why would there be lack of evidence in the first place?

The gov lied to the people and told them that the dust was safe. Now all the rescue workers and people that helped are in the hospital dieing of respitory problems.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6627312 - 03/02/07 08:07 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I never understood that.

HOW could a whole mess of different sorts of dust from a huge felled building POSSIBLY be SAFE???

Got me.....


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Schwip]
    #6627314 - 03/02/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah i agree, expecialy concrete dust. Even if they told me to not mind it. I would have still bought a good dust mask. But the fact is they told the city people not to mind it.

I guess the damage was already done.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6627503 - 03/02/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes diesel fuel can damage steel, the extra heat compromises its load bearing capabilities. I don't have the press release but are you sure the owner didn't say we just let it go instead of saying it was a rigged demolition? BBC might've gotten a report confused, the person reporting it might have had wrong information and reported it to the public. Maybe he heard we are going to let it burn and thought it meant demolish it? WHo knows who cares at this point. There is however no proof of conspiracy and more than enough to refute it.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: trepanib]
    #6627540 - 03/02/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The owner said on video "we had to PULL the building" that is a demolition term for taking the building down.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6627568 - 03/02/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

That, and the fact that prior to 9/11 no steel-structured building had ever collapsed due to fire. So, it's very unlikely that anyone could have predicted that WTC7 was going to collapse that day. Add to that the building burned for 8 hours before falling, and this report was made a mere 20 minutes before it actually did fall.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6627628 - 03/02/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Or it means we had to pull the building from the rescue queue. You are assuming that by pull it means demolition, I see it as meaning that they just gave up on it. Your also ignoring the fact that this cost him money and the insurance money will be less than it actually osts to rebuild.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: trepanib]
    #6627676 - 03/02/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

all i know is that i really don't care. I wasn't there and truly know nothing as facts. Just chiming in with things that i have heard. We all know hearsay doesn't hold in court.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #6627907 - 03/02/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

The owner said on video "we had to PULL the building" that is a demolition term for taking the building down.




Wrong.

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Viveka]
    #6629036 - 03/02/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Wrong? it looks like i just simplified what you just said. So?


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: trepanib]
    #6629048 - 03/02/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes diesel fuel can damage steel, the extra heat compromises its load bearing capabilities.




um... no, diesel doesnt just ignite, also diesel doesnt burn that hot and jets are not fueled with diesel


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #6629817 - 03/02/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

No shit. We are talking about 7 a building in which the diesel in a tank could have been ignited by a spark or fire already burning. Diesel does not need to melt the steel, a few hundred degrees and it is structurally compromised. Plus there would be office supplies etc that are burning. They pulled out of the building and let the fire weaken it enough to finally allow it to collapse.


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Re: BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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