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no condensation on side of fc, problem??
    #14458605 - 05/15/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Their is no condensation on the sides of my fc is this a problem or does it not matter?? I'm usind the shotgun tek with about 3 to 4 inches of perlite. Holes in all six sides. The fc is in the top of my closet with a space heater in the closet keeping the whole closet around 79 degrees. I have a junk digital humidity and temp gauge in my fc that reads a humidity level of around 85 to 90 all the time so I'm guessing its really in the mid 90s. But the no condensation thing makes me think the humidity is too low. Any comments would be appreciated.


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14458614 - 05/15/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lack of condensation does NOT mean your sgfc is not working correctly, although it 'can'.

First thing you need to do is get an analog Hygrometer and properly calibrate it. Only when you are positive your numbers are accurate, can you determine if you need to tape some holes up or not.

You may want to ditch the heater as well.

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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14458641 - 05/15/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Their is no condensation on the sides of my fc is this a problem or does it not matter?? I'm usind the shotgun tek with about 3 to 4 inches of perlite. Holes in all six sides. The fc is in the top of my closet with a space heater in the closet keeping the whole closet around 79 degrees. I have a junk digital humidity and temp gauge in my fc that reads a humidity level of around 85 to 90 all the time so I'm guessing its really in the mid 90s. But the no condensation thing makes me think the humidity is too low. Any comments would be appreciated.




Woah woah woah, 90 degrees is WAY to high for a fruiting chamber...not saying that it's not going to work but dude, thats extreme..  You probably dont need the heater (Cubes thrive in the 70s.)


ALSO, this could be why your not seeing condensation.. Condensation, for example, occurs on a plastic soda bottle (cold) because of the tempurature difference in the air outside of the soda vs. the air inside of the soda container....So if your FC is WARMER than the outside temp, you SHOULDN'T see any condensation (I'm pretty sure condensation occurs because the cold outside of a pop bottle for example, will turn humidity (moisture in the air) back into the liquid form (H20)

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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: Elevated]
    #14458674 - 05/15/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Their is no condensation on the sides of my fc is this a problem or does it not matter?? I'm usind the shotgun tek with about 3 to 4 inches of perlite. Holes in all six sides. The fc is in the top of my closet with a space heater in the closet keeping the whole closet around 79 degrees. I have a junk digital humidity and temp gauge in my fc that reads a humidity level of around 85 to 90 all the time so I'm guessing its really in the mid 90s. But the no condensation thing makes me think the humidity is too low. Any comments would be appreciated.




Woah woah woah, 90 degrees is WAY to high for a fruiting chamber...not saying that it's not going to work but dude, thats extreme..  You probably dont need the heater (Cubes thrive in the 70s.)


ALSO, this could be why your not seeing condensation.. Condensation, for example, occurs on a plastic soda bottle (cold) because of the tempurature difference in the air outside of the soda vs. the air inside of the soda container....So if your FC is WARMER than the outside temp, you SHOULDN'T see any condensation (I'm pretty sure condensation occurs because the cold outside of a pop bottle for example, will turn humidity (moisture in the air) back into the liquid form (H20)





If you re-read my post I said the gauge read 85 tp 90% humidity and a temp of 79. And when I open to fan I can feel the high humidity flow against my face so I know its humid in their just not sure on the exact percent. I've looked everywhere for a anolog one but can't seem to find one. So ditch the heater?? My humidity will stay high even at temps of around 72??


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14458694 - 05/15/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Condensation forms when a gas changes to a liquid.  Say moisture of your sub evaporates,

and is warmer than the walls of your FC that is a cooler temp then the gas.  The gas then

condenses into a liquid.  Your heater probably has the walls of your FC so warm that

the temps are equal.  The dew point is I think is the temp when a gas will change to

a liquid. I dont remember it all but thats the jist.  I think :smile:

So dump the heater.


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: Elevated]
    #14458716 - 05/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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monkey_massacre said:
Their is no condensation on the sides of my fc is this a problem or does it not matter?? I'm usind the shotgun tek with about 3 to 4 inches of perlite. Holes in all six sides. The fc is in the top of my closet with a space heater in the closet keeping the whole closet around 79 degrees. I have a junk digital humidity and temp gauge in my fc that reads a humidity level of around 85 to 90 all the time so I'm guessing its really in the mid 90s. But the no condensation thing makes me think the humidity is too low. Any comments would be appreciated.




Woah woah woah, 90 degrees is WAY to high for a fruiting chamber...not saying that it's not going to work but dude, thats extreme..  You probably dont need the heater (Cubes thrive in the 70s.)


ALSO, this could be why your not seeing condensation.. Condensation, for example, occurs on a plastic soda bottle (cold) because of the tempurature difference in the air outside of the soda vs. the air inside of the soda container....So if your FC is WARMER than the outside temp, you SHOULDN'T see any condensation (I'm pretty sure condensation occurs because the cold outside of a pop bottle for example, will turn humidity (moisture in the air) back into the liquid form (H20)




Ok so the glass temp is below the dew piont, so when air comes into contact with
the glass=moisture.  Like an AC unit.


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14458717 - 05/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry 'bout that.  But, yeah you probably dont need the heater.  If your FC is built properly it will maintain humidity (even into the 60s) no problem at all. 

As far as looking for an analog hygro, i ordered a couple off the internet and they were junk.  A hygro isn't a need really, most of them are incorrect and if the FC is correct your humidity will be fine.

But, they are a nice RE-assurence as far as hum. goes..but they can have the opposite effect, a lot of hygros will read 70% when its really in the 90s.

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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: Elevated]
    #14458800 - 05/15/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok thanks everyone. I'm gonna toss the heater and hope that my fc is built correctly. I have holes on all six sides. Hopefully enough though. Ill post a pic and see what u guys think.


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14458844 - 05/15/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here is some pics. And their is some condensation on the sides of the fc only because I sprayed the sides about an hour ago. Their is 11 holes in each long side and 4 holes in each short end. 10 holes in the top and 10 in the bottom. Is this enough holes to work properly??









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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14458953 - 05/15/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is that a radio in your FC.  Jamming with the shrooms. :thumbup:
I dont know man I had alot more holes in my SGFC. I think they were
smaller though.  I think I used a 1/4" bit and spaced them 1" or 2" apart.
I gave it to a friend or id take a pic for you.  You'll know if there's
not enough because your cakes will be soaked all the time.


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: Carl Sagan]
    #14458969 - 05/15/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was about to say the same thing. My bin is about the same size as yours, and i have over 200 holes. In fact, i have over 60 on one (broad) side alone.

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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14459063 - 05/15/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No that's my junk digital humidity gauge lol. And yea I didn't think I had enough holes.. is their a safe way to add more holes at this point??


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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14459135 - 05/15/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No that's my junk digital humidity gauge lol. And yea I didn't think I had enough holes.. is their a safe way to add more holes at this point??





Probably, just take your drill/w drill bit and get at it...just be gentle if you can, apply pressure opposite of the side your drilling on.  If you drill in the top just take it off and do it...

Drilling on the bottom would be pretty tough but doable I guess..probably not neccisary.

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Re: no condensation on side of fc, problem?? [Re: Elevated]
    #14461701 - 05/16/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I drilled a lot more holes in my fc. Just thought I would post a pic of it.




Here is a pic of what my substrate is lookin like. What do you guys think?? Pinning any day now??



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