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Music or literature better for expanding your mind?
    #14458179 - 05/15/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Was curious to know what the Shroomery thinks of this question.

I have a bunch of musician friends who feel as if music activates emotions on such a deep level that upon hearing a new piece/song they are never the same person again, and that literature is too abstract and intellectual to effect lasting change on a person.

A writer friend of mine contends that music only activates emotions and doesn't change the metaprogramming of a person's mind. Music, he says, might stimulate but won't change the way you look at the world like a book can.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
    #14458215 - 05/15/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like bollocks to me.

It's apples and oranges man.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
    #14458278 - 05/15/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So a tie, then?


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
    #14458319 - 05/15/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I suppose. Though I think it's an invalid argument in the first place.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
    #14458401 - 05/15/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, it was fun to discuss, even for a bunch of invalids.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
    #14458437 - 05/15/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:snowman:


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
    #14479837 - 05/19/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think both can be used for meta programming.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: millzy]
    #14480839 - 05/19/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

maybe it's true in most cases that music affects us more emotionally and words are directed to our rational mind

but there are exceptions

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millzy said:
i think both can be used for meta programming.




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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #14497690 - 05/23/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Meta programing?  Fucking Meta-programing.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
    #14497771 - 05/23/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about music with lyrics?  :braindamage:


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14497877 - 05/23/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would think it would vary too much from person to person in the same way that certain people learn more effectivly through different media.  Some people respond better to visual stimulus, some better to aural, some to textural and so on.

I really don't think it's a discussion with a definable answer, you could just as likely throw movies and theatre in the mix....or painting...or you get the idea.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #14499330 - 05/23/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would like to add, music can perhaps describe and convey some things language cannot. Perhaps music can be a better stepping point to the ineffable or things that are just beyond our conventional language because music in a way is a created language. And the artist has more freedom in a sense to converse in this created space..... There are infinitely more sounds that can be created with intention and tonal meaning than words in our language but I mean it all happens in the listeners experience of what they are receiving. I do agree with all the posters above. They both can be used to expand the mind and it depends on the person, they both work on different (and overlapping) levels and it is up to the listener or reader which has more of an impact.

It's hard for me to say for myself....books like Be Here Now have really impacted me in this moment but I can easily revisit a song (particularly a shpongle song) and catch a glimpse at bliss which reenergizes me and makes me feel alive again. To help revisit a space that once was opened I feel is always there and a part of you.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: weshroom]
    #14500186 - 05/23/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For me poetry is the most "distilled" artform. Don't get me wrong I love music but it doesn't quite have the capacity to take me on as much of a 'trip'. I'm sure it's different for others...


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14501056 - 05/23/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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For me poetry is the most "distilled" artform. Don't get me wrong I love music but it doesn't quite have the capacity to take me on as much of a 'trip'. I'm sure it's different for others...



Interesting, I've never really immersed myself in too much poetry. Any recommendations?


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
    #14501696 - 05/23/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's purely subjective.  I personally would say music effects me much more as music is my thing, but then again literature can do similar things.


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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: weshroom]
    #14505204 - 05/24/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Jim Morrison has written my favourites, the album american prayer (him reading some of his poems to backing tracks by the doors) is what really got me into poetry, I hadn't really liked it until then. Other than that there are a ton of good poets out there, Whitman, Rumi, Yeates, Rimbaud, Wislawa symborska, A. Crowley, Hafiz, T.S. Elliot... to name a few.

Here's a good poem by Jim

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Do you know the warm progress
under the stars?
Do you know we exist?
Have you forgotten the keys
to the kingdom
Have you been borne yet
& are you alive?
Let's reinvent the gods, all teh myths
of the ages
Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests
[Have you forgotten the lessons
of the ancient war]
We need great golden copulations
The fathers are cackling in trees
of the forest
Our mother is dead in the sea
Do you know we are being led to
slaughters by placid admirals
& that fat slow generals are getting
obscene on young blood
Do you know we are ruled by T.V.
The moon is dry blood beast
Guerrilla bands are rolling numbers
in the next block of green vine
amassing for warfare on innocent
herdsman who are just dying
O great creator of being
grant us one more hour to
perform our art
& perfect our lives
The moths & atheists are doubly divine
& dying
We live, we die
& death not ends it
Journey we more into the
Nightmare
Cling to life
Our passion'd flower
Cling to Cunts & cocks
of despair
We got our final vision
by clap
Columbus groin got
filled w/green death
(I touched her thigh
& death smiled)
We have assembled inside this ancient
& insane theatre
To propagate our lust for life
& flee the swarming wisdom
of the streets
The barns are stormed
The windows kept
& only one of all the rest
To dance & save us
W/the divine mockery
of words
Music inflames temperament
(When the true King's murderers
are allowed to roam free
a 1000 Magicians arise in the land)
Where are the feasts
we are promised
Where is the wine
The New Wine
(dying on the vine)
resident mockery
give us an hour for magic
We of the purple glove
We of the starling flight
& velvet hour
We of arabic pleasures's breed
We of sundome & the night
Give us creed
To believe
A nightr of lust
Give us trust in
The Night
Give of color
hundred hues
a rich mandala
for me & for you
& for your silky
pillowed house
a head, wisdom
& a bed
Troubled decree
Resident mockery
has claimed thee
We used to believe
in the good old days
We still receive
In little ways
The things of Kindness
& unsporting brow
Forget & allow
Did you know freedom exists
in school books
Did you know madmen are
running our prisons
w/in a jail, w/in a gaol
w/in a white free protestant
maelstrom
We're perched headlong
on the edge of boredom
We're reaching for death
on the end of a candle
We're trying for something
that's already found us
Wow, I'm sick of doubt
Live in the light of certain
south
Cruel bindings
The sevants have the power
dog-men & their mean women
pulling poor blankets over
our sailors
I'm sick of dour faces
Starong at me from the T.V.
Tower, I want roses in
my garden bower; dig?
Royal babies, rubies
must now replace aborted
Strangers in the mud
These mutants, blood-meal
for the plant that's plowed
they are waiting to take us into
the severed garden
Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful
comes death on a stranger hour
unannounced, unplanned for
like a scaring over-friendly guest you've
brought to bed
Death makes angels of us all
& gives us wings
where we had shoulders
smooth as raven's
claws
No more money, no more fancy dress
This other kingdom seems by far the best
until its other jaw reveals incest
& loose obedience to a vegetable law
I will not go
Prefer a feast of friends
To the Giant family




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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14505364 - 05/24/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think it depends what type of person you are.


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