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viktor
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Music or literature better for expanding your mind?
#14458179 - 05/15/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Was curious to know what the Shroomery thinks of this question.
I have a bunch of musician friends who feel as if music activates emotions on such a deep level that upon hearing a new piece/song they are never the same person again, and that literature is too abstract and intellectual to effect lasting change on a person.
A writer friend of mine contends that music only activates emotions and doesn't change the metaprogramming of a person's mind. Music, he says, might stimulate but won't change the way you look at the world like a book can.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
#14458215 - 05/15/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like bollocks to me.
It's apples and oranges man.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
#14458278 - 05/15/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So a tie, then?
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
#14458319 - 05/15/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suppose. Though I think it's an invalid argument in the first place.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
#14458401 - 05/15/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, it was fun to discuss, even for a bunch of invalids.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
#14458437 - 05/15/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sunny]
#14479837 - 05/19/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think both can be used for meta programming.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: millzy]
#14480839 - 05/19/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe it's true in most cases that music affects us more emotionally and words are directed to our rational mind
but there are exceptions
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millzy said: i think both can be used for meta programming.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Primal Glitch]
#14497690 - 05/23/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Meta programing? Fucking Meta-programing.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
#14497771 - 05/23/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about music with lyrics?
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14497877 - 05/23/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would think it would vary too much from person to person in the same way that certain people learn more effectivly through different media. Some people respond better to visual stimulus, some better to aural, some to textural and so on.
I really don't think it's a discussion with a definable answer, you could just as likely throw movies and theatre in the mix....or painting...or you get the idea.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Stopwhispering]
#14499330 - 05/23/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would like to add, music can perhaps describe and convey some things language cannot. Perhaps music can be a better stepping point to the ineffable or things that are just beyond our conventional language because music in a way is a created language. And the artist has more freedom in a sense to converse in this created space..... There are infinitely more sounds that can be created with intention and tonal meaning than words in our language but I mean it all happens in the listeners experience of what they are receiving. I do agree with all the posters above. They both can be used to expand the mind and it depends on the person, they both work on different (and overlapping) levels and it is up to the listener or reader which has more of an impact.
It's hard for me to say for myself....books like Be Here Now have really impacted me in this moment but I can easily revisit a song (particularly a shpongle song) and catch a glimpse at bliss which reenergizes me and makes me feel alive again. To help revisit a space that once was opened I feel is always there and a part of you.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: weshroom]
#14500186 - 05/23/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For me poetry is the most "distilled" artform. Don't get me wrong I love music but it doesn't quite have the capacity to take me on as much of a 'trip'. I'm sure it's different for others...
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14501056 - 05/23/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: For me poetry is the most "distilled" artform. Don't get me wrong I love music but it doesn't quite have the capacity to take me on as much of a 'trip'. I'm sure it's different for others...
Interesting, I've never really immersed myself in too much poetry. Any recommendations?
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: viktor]
#14501696 - 05/23/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's purely subjective. I personally would say music effects me much more as music is my thing, but then again literature can do similar things.
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: weshroom]
#14505204 - 05/24/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jim Morrison has written my favourites, the album american prayer (him reading some of his poems to backing tracks by the doors) is what really got me into poetry, I hadn't really liked it until then. Other than that there are a ton of good poets out there, Whitman, Rumi, Yeates, Rimbaud, Wislawa symborska, A. Crowley, Hafiz, T.S. Elliot... to name a few.
Here's a good poem by Jim
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Do you know the warm progress under the stars? Do you know we exist? Have you forgotten the keys to the kingdom Have you been borne yet & are you alive? Let's reinvent the gods, all teh myths of the ages Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests [Have you forgotten the lessons of the ancient war] We need great golden copulations The fathers are cackling in trees of the forest Our mother is dead in the sea Do you know we are being led to slaughters by placid admirals & that fat slow generals are getting obscene on young blood Do you know we are ruled by T.V. The moon is dry blood beast Guerrilla bands are rolling numbers in the next block of green vine amassing for warfare on innocent herdsman who are just dying O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art & perfect our lives The moths & atheists are doubly divine & dying We live, we die & death not ends it Journey we more into the Nightmare Cling to life Our passion'd flower Cling to Cunts & cocks of despair We got our final vision by clap Columbus groin got filled w/green death (I touched her thigh & death smiled) We have assembled inside this ancient & insane theatre To propagate our lust for life & flee the swarming wisdom of the streets The barns are stormed The windows kept & only one of all the rest To dance & save us W/the divine mockery of words Music inflames temperament (When the true King's murderers are allowed to roam free a 1000 Magicians arise in the land) Where are the feasts we are promised Where is the wine The New Wine (dying on the vine) resident mockery give us an hour for magic We of the purple glove We of the starling flight & velvet hour We of arabic pleasures's breed We of sundome & the night Give us creed To believe A nightr of lust Give us trust in The Night Give of color hundred hues a rich mandala for me & for you & for your silky pillowed house a head, wisdom & a bed Troubled decree Resident mockery has claimed thee We used to believe in the good old days We still receive In little ways The things of Kindness & unsporting brow Forget & allow Did you know freedom exists in school books Did you know madmen are running our prisons w/in a jail, w/in a gaol w/in a white free protestant maelstrom We're perched headlong on the edge of boredom We're reaching for death on the end of a candle We're trying for something that's already found us Wow, I'm sick of doubt Live in the light of certain south Cruel bindings The sevants have the power dog-men & their mean women pulling poor blankets over our sailors I'm sick of dour faces Starong at me from the T.V. Tower, I want roses in my garden bower; dig? Royal babies, rubies must now replace aborted Strangers in the mud These mutants, blood-meal for the plant that's plowed they are waiting to take us into the severed garden Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a stranger hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed Death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws No more money, no more fancy dress This other kingdom seems by far the best until its other jaw reveals incest & loose obedience to a vegetable law I will not go Prefer a feast of friends To the Giant family
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Re: Music or literature better for expanding your mind? [Re: Grapefruit]
#14505364 - 05/24/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think it depends what type of person you are.
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