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Mono hole config's.
    #14457821 - 05/15/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So we all know the standard set up of a mono, two two inch holes on both of the long sides at the sub level, and one 2 inch hole on the top of the short sides.

I read that cyanara was testing 1" holes instead at the sub level. I believe he was doing 4 1" holes on each of the long sides.

In theory this sounds like a good idea. It allows the GE/FAE to be distributed more evenly, and it also keeps the sub from drying out so much by each hole.

Only downside I see is that its twice the number of holes to drill :whatever:

Has anyone else done something similar to this? I remember Morelman doing this but thats about it for my knowledge.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14457869 - 05/15/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    i just tried these tubs with 3 2in holes on each side


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: penhed]
    #14457877 - 05/15/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

PE? Approx tub volume? Sub volume?


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14457919 - 05/15/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

58quart......that was 7 brf cakes spawn to hpoo/coir/worm casting/gypsum/hydrated with fresh brew coffee....approx 3in deep...pe.......dry harvested 250ish grams for the 2 tubs


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: penhed]
    #14457981 - 05/15/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not too shabby then. So thats 3 2" holes....

I was going to ask if you noticed and drying around the holes but I guess it really depends on how tight they were packed.

I keep mine as loose as I can. I aim for a 85% min humidity but it rarely gets that low.

I usually keep one of the top holes empty during fruiting.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14458404 - 05/15/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've only done the "standard" so can't comment.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14458719 - 05/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Iv always done 2 1" holes on each side with one on the bottom unplugged, works fine for me :shrug:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14458746 - 05/15/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Size of tubs? And your saying you have 8 holes total all on the bottom?


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14458776 - 05/15/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

18 gallon tub, 4" substrates. 4 holes on the bottom, 4 on top; nothing special, hope im not making an ass of myself here somehow


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14458791 - 05/15/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No man your doing fine. So do you have all 8 holes on the long sides then?


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14458896 - 05/15/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So I did screw it up, woop

2 holes on each side, long and short.

Man I miss having conversations about mush growing as the whole forum caters more to beginners(and the questions are answered so quickly and absolutely), we need a place to just bounce shroom growing ideas off one another, neuron style:grin:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14459224 - 05/15/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't matter, there isn't a set way how to do it.  Even if you did it to spec it still takes sometime to get the system down....


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14459347 - 05/15/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like the idea of more even air flow distribution using 1" holes. Might get another 30qt going soon... maybe I can test that out.

there's a 71qt tub going with 2" holes on long and short sides. sub level on long. near top on short. 3.5" sub depth

this will be the 1st attempt with it... currently on day 10 post-spawning.

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14460076 - 05/16/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So I did screw it up, woop

2 holes on each side, long and short.

Man I miss having conversations about mush growing as the whole forum caters more to beginners(and the questions are answered so quickly and absolutely), we need a place to just bounce shroom growing ideas off one another, neuron style:grin:





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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: t23]
    #14460085 - 05/16/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That sounds a lot like my recommendation. :lol: However, whether or not it is, I still can't take credit for it, because it's a bullet-point version of what I picked up from ProfessorPinHead. :grin:

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14460203 - 05/16/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh bad karma. Had to change this. I have 1/2inch by 4 inch hole across the lower  end with a single 1/2" hole on the top then 2 (1/2"x 4") holes on each long side and 2 small 1/2 inch holes on the tops of each long side. 108 quarts. works fine.

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: PinsWellWithOthers]
    #14460300 - 05/16/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IMO, hole size/numbers doesnt matter as long as your allowing sufficient gas exchange during colonization and plenty of fresh air during fruiting.  with the use of polyfill you are truly adjusting the size of your holes with that anyway, packing it tight for holding Rh or packing loosely for more FAE, hole size/numbers doesnt matter.


placement does. :yesnod:

you want holes at sublevel and up higher for circulation. 

the key is even distribution without over doing it or you can dry out your substrate quickly. 

but this, like many other aspects of mycology, has many many variations to be used.
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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14460383 - 05/16/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: t23]
    #14461125 - 05/16/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys thanks for your responses. I posted this just out of the sake of curiosity. I like seeing others ways of doing things and their results.

If any one wants to post there results with pics, specs, etc that would be cool.

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14472306 - 05/18/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey Base Icks, thanks for taking interest in my tub.
here are some pics.




the top pic is Red Boy, the bottom two are Brazilian, I also had a Brazilian tub that looked like the Red Boy. Also I will take some pics, but I have to brazilian tubs that I've held in a constant knotting phase for the last week and a half+ with all 8 holes plugged up except the 2 on the short side as I've been busy, Lazy and forgot. except for the aprox 60 premords, the entire surface is covered in little white worts. (hyphial knotts). i'll post some pics as I just got the holes filled with poly fill and will keep people informed in this thread.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: cyanara]
    #14472886 - 05/18/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

MS?


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    #14474022 - 05/18/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14474164 - 05/18/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think those are Iso's


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14476725 - 05/19/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think those are Iso's



correct in sorts. these where from P-2 plates with 2 and 3 sectores prior to my full 100% P-3 iso. once again you can see the final results in the agar thread all on sweet potato agar.. stuff is the shit.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: cyanara]
    #14476875 - 05/19/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's exactly what I did here:



Isolated down to 3-4 sectors, fruited out to see what would happen. Big mistake! :lol:

Got about 7.5oz cracker dry off that one. I know the canopy doesn't look all that good, but the thing to keep in mind here is this fucker refuses to fruit solely on top. So, all 4 sides and even a little on the bottom look like this:



The left-hand of that side has been harvested already, to show contrast. GNARLY looking side fruits. I've grown 4 different strains now in the same environment, none of them sidepinned all crazy like that. Strain-specific bull-shit.

I've come to realize mushrooms are much more genetically predetermined than humans are. :shrug:

Like, the B+ gene pool I got from The Hawk's Eye... stems are ALWAYS SUPER hollow. Shoots my weight in the foot. I'm sure I'd be pulling ~8-9oz flushes with some better genetics. I have some PF Redspore clones on the way. I'm excited about those. :super:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14477017 - 05/19/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So we all know the standard set up of a mono, two two inch holes on both of the long sides at the sub level, and one 2 inch hole on the top of the short sides.

I read that cyanara was testing 1" holes instead at the sub level. I believe he was doing 4 1" holes on each of the long sides.

In theory this sounds like a good idea. It allows the GE/FAE to be distributed more evenly, and it also keeps the sub from drying out so much by each hole.




This line of thought is how I ended up with MSG tubs.
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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14477034 - 05/19/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your setup is too complicated for me, man. :lol:

Greenhouse, humidifier, fan for fresh air, and also shotgun-type dub-tubs, correct?

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14477036 - 05/19/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Unpowered greenhouse.
And I can use the tubs in room air also.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14477724 - 05/19/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

@doc-t,
my original tub was a sot gun hybride, but didn't have enough 1/4" holes, then I got an 18 gallon tub and tried 1" holes but only put 4x of them 2 of them along the bottom long side on both side resulting in this massive but dwarfed B+ fruiting.

regardless of what people say about the B+, these where some of the most down right visual mushrooms I or anyone has tasted.. this batch is legendary with the people who ate them..
then I added 2 more holes per long side for a total of 8 holes..
It wasn't till recently that I started experimenting with 6x 2" holes..
what I like about 10x 1" holes is not only soes it seem to promote faster pining but you always have 6 holes runing and can adjust by adding or subtracting the other holes rather than fucking with loosening or tightning the poly fill. just another way to skin a cat.
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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: cyanara]
    #14478038 - 05/19/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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@ Facey, although having a true Isolate is awesome, having variances in your batches is also fun as there is noting more beautiful than seeing the different phenotypes in cultures.. fun fun fun.:mushroomgrow:



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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14478206 - 05/19/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've noticed everyone seems to be using polyfil..  Any thoughts on Tyvek?
I know a few people have tried it, but I was hoping some more seasoned growers would chime in.  The polyfill is a bit of a mess to work with in my mono.  I like the clean undisrupted view I get from the tyvek.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14478265 - 05/19/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I tried it, Tyvek never gave me enough FAE. I was using tyvek mailing envelopes though, which I have been told is not as good as other forms.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: SeniorCoolo]
    #14478873 - 05/19/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Boris and Barakanaten have used filter disks, or a cheap version of them in sheet form called EasyFelt.

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14478893 - 05/19/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: cyanara]
    #14479078 - 05/19/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

polyfill just happens to be very good at regulating air exchange and humidity. If u want more fae u can move the fan around without worrying about drying it out.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: anonjon]
    #14479099 - 05/19/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont have a fan. I have a window :wink:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14483616 - 05/20/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I dont have a fan. I have a window :wink:



ya, i run a substantial ammount of tubs and never use a fan, bad Idea.
Here are a few pics of the tubs decent pin set, the knotting was even and phenomenal but these are the two tubs that I held for nearly 2 weeks in a pining hold, meaning they where initiated but held them in a limbo cause I was in the woods for 8 days till I got back. next run I'll do a log detailing how the two top holes serve their purpose.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: cyanara]
    #14484223 - 05/20/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think a fan is a bad idea at all,

but if you're doing this:

without one, you're surely doing something right. I'm interested to hear it.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14488723 - 05/21/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I've noticed everyone seems to be using polyfil..  Any thoughts on Tyvek?
I know a few people have tried it, but I was hoping some more seasoned growers would chime in.  The polyfill is a bit of a mess to work with in my mono.  I like the clean undisrupted view I get from the tyvek.





Monstermitch uses tyvek. :shrug: Well, he did, when he grew in tubs.

Something to try, which I'm going to try out on my next round of tubs, is using tyvek during colonization, and then polyfil for fruiting. This way, I can use WAY less polyfil, and also can re-use it at least twice no problem. :super:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14488863 - 05/21/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fill just works better. tyvek is not porous enuff imo.

With tyvek you glue or tape it over the holes no? I don't like that idea one bit for when it comes time for tub cleaning.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: anonjon]
    #14488899 - 05/21/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14488913 - 05/21/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ah yeah I forgot all about that stuff. Now there is something to try.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: anonjon]
    #14490232 - 05/21/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Neither tyvek nor felt is suitable monotubs, and not really necessary.
You don't need a contam filter, you need a fresh air moderating baffle.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #14490317 - 05/21/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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IMO, hole size/numbers doesnt matter as long as your allowing sufficient gas exchange during colonization and plenty of fresh air during fruiting.  with the use of polyfill you are truly adjusting the size of your holes with that anyway, packing it tight for holding Rh or packing loosely for more FAE, hole size/numbers doesnt matter.


placement does. :yesnod:

you want holes at sublevel and up higher for circulation. 

the key is even distribution without over doing it or you can dry out your substrate quickly. 

but this, like many other aspects of mycology, has many many variations to be used.
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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: anonjon]
    #14497781 - 05/23/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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fill just works better. tyvek is not porous enuff imo.

With tyvek you glue or tape it over the holes no? I don't like that idea one bit for when it comes time for tub cleaning.





Tape.

Yes, tyvek is porous enough. Also, many, many people around here completely tape up their holes during colonization. Tyvek can't possibly be that suffocating.

Also, I'm NOT saying to use tyvek during fruiting. And, the reason I'M going to do this, is because there isn't a place in my apartment that doesn't have air drafting through it at excessive speeds for colonization. This has led to drying of the substrate. Tyvek should fix all that.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14497786 - 05/23/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Tyvek or tape during colonization is pointless- put a bag over it.
As you say tyvek won't work for fruiting.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14497801 - 05/23/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Neither tyvek nor felt is suitable monotubs, and not really necessary.
You don't need a contam filter, you need a fresh air moderating baffle.





100% polyester felt is essentially polyfil, and certainly IS suitable for monotubs:

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Tyvek is suitable as well:

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14497814 - 05/23/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tyvek or tape during colonization is pointless- put a bag over it.
As you say tyvek won't work for fruiting.





Do you read my posts or just glaze over them? :facepalm3:

Here's the main issue: I am sick of wasting polyfil, so I want a cheap material to use during colonization, to prevent drying out while allowing gas exchange.

Also: if I wait until full colonization to begin fruiting with polyfil, I can recycle the polyfil without concern of increasing potential contaminate risk.

There's a whole 20+ page thread about why I don't use bags during colonization, which you participated in.

You're saying things about this as thought there's some objective way to grow mushrooms, when all of this is opinion. Using tyvek during colonization is not "pointless" to me, monstermitch and many others, no matter how you look at it. It might seem pointless to YOU, but that doesn't mean it seems pointless to everyone.

Tyvek allows gas exchange, and prevents moisture loss. Those seem like valid 'points' for its use to me. :shrug:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Base Icks]
    #14498468 - 05/23/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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there's a 71qt tub going with 2" holes on long and short sides. sub level on long. near top on short. 3.5" sub depth
want an update here with results Base Icks?




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Hey guys thanks for your responses. I posted this just out of the sake of curiosity. I like seeing others ways of doing things and their results.

If any one wants to post there results with pics, specs, etc that would be cool.

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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14498822 - 05/23/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pinset has not ever been a problem for me with Texas. I have yet to grow out a clone of it actually. Potency wasn't spectacular I was told, so that sort of killed my buzz on this strain. I will try it again someday though.

It's a fun strain to grow. Potency can vary with many cube races, so I wouldn't be too concerned by what I said earlier in this post about potency.

Man, I think there's some issue with how the proteins are used in my Texas race, which I don't see in other people's. For one, when dried, these fruits were easily as fragile as saltine crackers. No joke. Also, the caps were so weak that they would oftentimes sort of melt off the stem. Really odd:



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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14735748 - 07/08/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)



This is my setup with the bottom 4" duct taped then black trash bagged then duct taped over top of that. MANY holes drilled with 1/4" bit on all 4 sides and in lid. Works great for me. I get a lb dry per tub before having to discard.


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: Toofpaste]
    #14735918 - 07/08/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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This is my setup with the bottom 4" duct taped then black trash bagged then duct taped over top of that. MANY holes drilled with 1/4" bit on all 4 sides and in lid. Works great for me. I get a lb dry per tub before having to discard.




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    #14735920 - 07/08/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What size of bin?


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #14735923 - 07/08/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, you beat me to it! :lol:


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Re: Mono hole config's. [Re: faceyneck]
    #14735926 - 07/08/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

64qt sterilite with 1 brick eco earth coco coir, 2 quarts verm, and 6 jars wbs spawn.


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