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Cactilove
Controversial Mystic



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Re: these medicines are not toys! [Re: joemolloy]
#14459194 - 05/15/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmm seems like a good person to learn about getting drunk from!
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tay_ste_5000
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Re: these medicines are not toys! [Re: Cactilove]
#14459263 - 05/15/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree very much with you zZZz. Cultures such as native americans and others that have incorporated entheogens into their culture seem to get a much deeper benefit from them. I got into hallucinogens mostly by curiousity, having tried weed i was curious about other substances, especially since i was into aldous huxley, pink floyd, general psychedelic era stuff at the time (still got respect for em). I'm lucky I didn't flip my shit at the age of 15 messing with lsd, i really didn't know what i was dealing with at the time. I would also like to point out that ancient cultures never seem to have problems with bad trips or negative experiences, and they don't just
they benefit deeply from they're experiences. I'm not going to try and start an argument, just my 2 cents.
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helix
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Re: these medicines are not toys! [Re: Dawks]
#14459690 - 05/15/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dawks said:
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zZZz said: I apologize for expressing my opinion
You should never feel the need to do that.
Where do you think ancient shamans got their knowledge from? if you trace it right right back to the beginning they were just as clueless as we are. Someone accidently ate a mushroom he found one day and was like 
That man spent the rest of his life experimenting and learning about that mushroom and before he died he passed his knowledge on to the next shaman. Over time, incremental knowledge led to the very effective use of entheogens because each generation added a little bit more to the experience.
The revolution of the mind that occured in the 1960's failed because people were blasting off into hyperspace without being prepared and without knowing what to do. They ended up crashing back down earth and being forced to become contributing members of society.
Things are different now. We have the internet. And while knowledge of these substances is still widely supressesed, we are now able to start building it again using websites like the shroomery, and erowid.
Think about it, look at all the stuff we know now, things like the lemon tek, MAOI's, set and setting, trip sitting, music - We know a hell of a lot more now than we did in the 60s and as time goes on more and more will be discovered.
I understand what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is: people like us are that "experienced pilot". Sure there are many people in society who take these drugs just for fun but places like the shroomery are more than that. We are the shamans of the 21st century.
inspiring post!
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FUTURIST
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Re: these medicines are not toys! [Re: joemolloy]
#14461888 - 05/16/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: The title of this thread should be,"These toys are not medicines!"
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Nunbuh_Chrubble
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Re: these medicines are not toys! [Re: tay_ste_5000]
#14462097 - 05/16/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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tay_ste_5000 said: I would also like to point out that ancient cultures never seem to have problems with bad trips or negative experiences, and they don't just
they benefit deeply from they're experiences.
I'm not sure where you get that idea? I didn't realize that we had trip reports from ancient cultures... 
A more accurate statement might be that traditional entheogen-using cultures have incorporated the negative experiences into their expectations of the trip. Nobody expects a journey through the land of the dead to be a purely fun or happy experience. They understood that the endeavor was "perilous" whereas our culture expects nothing but pretty colors and happy-fun-times and when a inkling of morbidity, anxiety, or introspection appears people get scared and run away.
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
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tay_ste_5000 said: I would also like to point out that ancient cultures never seem to have problems with bad trips or negative experiences, and they don't just
they benefit deeply from they're experiences.
I'm not sure where you get that idea? I didn't realize that we had trip reports from ancient cultures... 
A more accurate statement might be that traditional entheogen-using cultures have incorporated the negative experiences into their expectations of the trip. Nobody expects a journey through the land of the dead to be a purely fun or happy experience. They understood that the endeavor was "perilous" whereas our culture expects nothing but pretty colors and happy-fun-times and when a inkling of morbidity, anxiety, or introspection appears people get scared and run away.
That's an excellent point. After all, the fear of a bad trip contributes to its possibility. I definitely think the expectation of a frightening experience can help one benefit from it as a whole.
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