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Ajaxx
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lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside
#14455979 - 05/15/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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what is everyone elses experiences with this? i read to use trash bags to prevent side pinning because the bag will shrink with the substrate as it consolidates.
but in my experience, ive had and am still having way better results from not using trash bags. the side pinning is wild. i took the bag off my small burma monotub, and a few days later, its third flush comes in all over the sides of the substrate.
the side pinning was insane. they all grew perfect, easily harvest-able mushrooms. ill never use another trash bag in a mono tub again. in fact, after i harvest the mushrooms growing on the ones still in bags. im going to pull the substrate out and remove the bags and put the substrate back in the tub.
what are everyone elses thoughts and experience on this?
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Ajaxx]
#14456047 - 05/15/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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During colonization i have them in a giant trash bag, and then i check on it on day ten if it needs more time i take it out on day 15 and i drop the bag to substrate level then tape it. Ive never had any real issues with side pinning, the only time i get them is by second flush but the substrate already substantially shrunk from the sides of the bins so i like them popping up there, they grow just fine IMO.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14456079 - 05/15/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use trash bags
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Ajaxx
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Mr. Anderson]
#14456122 - 05/15/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mr. Anderson said: I use trash bags
can you elaborate? have you ever not used them? what do you prefer?
i noticed with trash bags i have water building up under the substrate and bag, the ones with no bag absorb any water and all around look healther.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Ajaxx]
#14456125 - 05/15/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've never used any liners inside my tubs. i don't have any intention to start using them either. by keeping the outside taped up (to block light), i barely got any side pinning at all on the first flush. the second flush does though, but that doesn't bother me.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Ajaxx]
#14456167 - 05/15/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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ive had extremely good luck with side pinning. i hear some people complain about it, but its done nothing but good things for me.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: awakendone]
#14456301 - 05/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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awakendone said: i've never used any liners inside my tubs. i don't have any intention to start using them either. by keeping the outside taped up (to block light), i barely got any side pinning at all on the first flush. the second flush does though, but that doesn't bother me.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14456334 - 05/15/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive never used a liner but I just made up a mono to use up some older rye spawn and had to use a liner because it was really late and I didn't have the energy to bother taping it,we'll see how it goes.I'm also colonizing it on a 12/12 to see how that goes for me
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Ajaxx]
#14456386 - 05/15/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ajaxx said: ive had extremely good luck with side pinning. i hear some people complain about it, but its done nothing but good things for me. 
i dont mind side pinning at all on the subsequent flushes. but i like to have my first flushes come in consistent. this is why i will tape the outside up throughout col and fruiting. i truly believe my last tubs did better second flushes by not having an inside liner. more sub surface equals more room for pins IMO.
i'm new to doing tubs myself, but i've already decided that i will always remain a no liner kind of guy.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: awakendone]
#14456407 - 05/15/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Light is overestimated as a pinning trigger. Evaporation is what causes pinning. I prefer the lining foil to avoid evap. Taping the outside is almost useless to avoid side-pinning IMO.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Luger0815]
#14456459 - 05/15/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^ side pinning should'nt be an issue for anyone with monos, the sub shrinks the first flush and perfectly fine fruits grow on the sides... Ill pick and eat those just as much. You wont get side pinning your first flush.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Luger0815]
#14456460 - 05/15/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with Luger,light is at the bottom of the list when it comes to pin triggers
full colonization fresh air exchange evaporation light
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Luger0815]
#14456482 - 05/15/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Luger0815 said: Light is overestimated as a pinning trigger. Evaporation is what causes pinning. I prefer the lining foil to avoid evap. Taping the outside is almost useless to avoid side-pinning IMO.
my first tub had no tape whatsoever on the outside. it side pinned ALOT! i probably picked nearly an oz before the surface pinned (first flush). my last 2 tubs were taped, and didn't side pin at all first flush (the pics are the hillbilly's in my gallery).
however, this wont mean a whole lot to you or anyone else since i am talking about 2 different strains here. but the difference was huge.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: awakendone]
#14456500 - 05/15/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Luger0815]
#14456565 - 05/15/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I once did a side by side grow with and without a bottom liner using ccv and 5q popcorn spawn in 64qt monotubs and had better yields without the liner.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14456579 - 05/15/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bstsneverr said: ^^^ side pinning should'nt be an issue for anyone with monos, the sub shrinks the first flush and perfectly fine fruits grow on the sides... Ill pick and eat those just as much. You wont get side pinning your first flush.
90% of my entire first flush was side pinning on the tubs that only had tape on the sides. the second flush came in all over the top of the substrate. now theyre on their third and theyre growing everywhere. sides and top. tis a beautiful sight...
i took the bag out of the burma tub and have pins going crazy all over the sides... it almost makes me want to get a bigger tub and put the entire substrate in that so any side pinning has all the room it needs to grow the most amount of mushrooms possible.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: redcat]
#14456587 - 05/15/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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redcat said: I once did a side by side grow with and without a bottom liner using ccv and 5q popcorn spawn in 64qt monotubs and had better yields without the liner.
you can not compare that unless you didnt used an isolated strain.
Ms growth will never be the same, even under the same conditions.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: awakendone]
#14456720 - 05/15/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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awakendone said: my first tub had no tape whatsoever on the outside. it side pinned ALOT! i probably picked nearly an oz before the surface pinned (first flush).
That could be because it was ur first tub and u hadn't perfected the himidity right. Side pinning comes up a lot when the humidity between the tub wall and substrate are better than the rest of the tub.
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Wing]
#14456746 - 05/15/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is always difficult to hit the perfect moisture of the sub. it is a gamble...
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Re: lining monotubs with trash bags vs. taping the outside [Re: Wing]
#14456770 - 05/15/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like to use a 4 inch sub with just tape around the bottom sides for my monos...This subject can go back and forth forever, I've seen it before.....I love harvesting a good amount from all 6 sides.....
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