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    #14455696 - 05/15/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

okay so im new to the world of mushroom cultivation and id love some help from the pros. i just bought a grow kit and i was wondering if ican use pre pasturized horse dung alone as a medium for my B+ everywhere i go people are using mixtures and its confusing for a noob like myself.so can i use only this dung as my cake from inoculation to fruit? any help is appreciated!


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455737 - 05/15/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

im no pro, but if you want to make cakes get vermiculite and brown rice flour. than look up pf tek on here and read read read.


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Re: need some advice [Re: TheDrake]
    #14455739 - 05/15/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What kit did you get? Whats included?


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Re: need some advice [Re: TheDrake]
    #14455753 - 05/15/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

PF looks good but if im not mistaken shrooms love dung for the nutrients so is there a way to make use of it in thecakes? i mainly ask because i already bought it and dont want a 5 lb bag of shit laying around.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Wing]
    #14455754 - 05/15/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess some kits work well but IMO their like topsy turvy infomercials,  Grow 10 lb tomatos without doing shat!

Like drake said I'd suggest doing a lot of reading on the forums here, look up PF Tek (BRF Cakes.)


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455765 - 05/15/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PF looks good but if im not mistaken shrooms love dung for the nutrients so is there a way to make use of it in thecakes? i mainly ask because i already bought it and dont want a 5 lb bag of shit laying around.




LMAO, yeah you could make use if it by doing BRF cakes and then crumbling the cakes to colonize another substrate.  But really your trying to save a 5 lb bag of shit thats well, just a bunch of shit.  Not hard to come by heh.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Wing]
    #14455766 - 05/15/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its a mini kit for my first grow and has a humidifier/ air intake, light and inoculation jars pre sterilized and i ordered the pasturized dung for the next batch


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455781 - 05/15/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

reading up as we speak im also thinking of dunk and roll but if not i could just mist the cakes often right?


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455786 - 05/15/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you need to make your own fruiting chamber im guessing?  Also did the kit come with spores?


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455825 - 05/15/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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reading up as we speak im also thinking of dunk and roll but if not i could just mist the cakes often right?




The dunk is pretty important because the cakes use up a lot of moisture when the mycelium colonizes, simply misting the cakes isnt going to hydrate the cakes like a dunk would.  Misting helps keep the cakes moist and (more importantly) gets water on the cakes that will then evaporate (inducing pinning.)

try not the skip the dunk if you do brf cakes...the roll isnt absolutely neccisary but if you have the verm do it.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14455928 - 05/15/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

okay so far this is what i plan to do, take colonized brf cakes dunk then crumble them onto a layer of horse dung. then another layer of dung, wait to colonize,(all in grow kit container samewhat small plastic)im hoping this will work as a fruiting chamber since i have the humidifier and light built in. once colonized mist daily and add light a few hours a day possibly 12.correct me if any of this sounds wrong or stupid lol i am a noob at all of this.


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14455969 - 05/15/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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its a mini kit for my first grow and has a humidifier/ air intake, light and inoculation jars pre sterilized and i ordered the pasturized dung for the next batch




So it came with mason jars filled with grain and pre-sterilized?  In that case, I might skip the BRF cakes and just knock up the grain.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Puzzled]
    #14456181 - 05/15/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Shounds about right bud.  But yeah, like puzzled asked, if the kit came with pre-steralized jars/w substrate in them you could go ahead and use those to innoc and colonize to the dung.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14456292 - 05/15/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks guys but yea im sure the pre made jars will do fine ill be using brf on second grow but yes pre sterilized jars


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14456551 - 05/15/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

another question..how would i go about the dunk tek if im going to crumble and layer withdung?could i maybe just add some water to the dung and crumbled substrate?


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14456610 - 05/15/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not exactly sure on that..personally I dont crumble my cakes (yet.)  I'd recommend just dunking in water for 12-24 hours and then crumbling, its probably the easiest step in the entire mushroom growing process. heh.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14456646 - 05/15/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how bout a link to the site where said kit was procured?


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Re: need some advice [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14456806 - 05/15/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LOL doesn't the DVD tell u how to do this?


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14456856 - 05/15/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

all i have to do is submerge in cold water for 12 to 24 hrs then take out rinse then proceed to crumble right? all these dunk tek posts seem over complicated..dvd is a summery of how to use what is procided for you im trying to make better use of a good product instead of 3 cakes id like to have the entire container floor growing shrooms


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14456903 - 05/15/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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all i have to do is submerge in cold water for 12 to 24 hrs then take out rinse then proceed to crumble right? all these dunk tek posts seem over complicated..dvd is a summery of how to use what is procided for you im trying to make better use of a good product instead of 3 cakes id like to have the entire container floor growing shrooms




Thats what I do, less the crumbling.  I use a large pot, fill with water, birth cakes and rinse them, then put in the pot and place a plate over the cakes to make sure their fully submerged. then i put the pot lid over the pot and come back a day later.


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14457225 - 05/15/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if i remember correctly you don't dunk your cakes when you crumble them. The horse poo should be properly hydrated(in the future you can use coir). also crumble them as soon as they hit 100%. don't let them consolidate like you would if you were fruiting them because it will slow down the colonization of the horse poo(bulk substrate).


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14457277 - 05/15/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.universityscientific.com/product.php?xProd=73&xSec=2




Go buy a plastic tote, some perlite, and make a shotgun fruiting chamber.  That tank doesn't look like it has any holes on the sides or bottom to create air flow for FAE.


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Re: need some advice [Re: NCC1701]
    #14457297 - 05/15/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks Ncc.so how would i hydrate the dung(how much water)?i take it coir is already hydrated? puzzled, if you scrole down i ordered the humidifier/air exchanger it brings in fresh humid air every hour that should work right?


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Re: need some advice [Re: NCC1701]
    #14457300 - 05/15/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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if i remember correctly you don't dunk your cakes when you crumble them. The horse poo should be properly hydrated(in the future you can use coir). also crumble them as soon as they hit 100%. don't let them consolidate like you would if you were fruiting them because it will slow down the colonization of the horse poo(bulk substrate).




Might want to check that out bud, I don't crumble so the tek could change.....


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14457352 - 05/15/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if you search for links you will get a couple posts with a bunch of links mentioned.

edit: i forgot what term i used  to search for something like this but here.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14360324#14360324 props to dank for this. kept me reading for a hot min.
o and btw when you knock up your jars, and have that 30 day waiting period, id do a lot of reading like i did. i think i covered almost this whole site and am now waiting for active topics within the cult dept for Q and A's that other ppl ask and about thoughts i might have had,
i beat the shit out of the search box BTW.... :whack:


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Re: need some advice [Re: NCC1701]
    #14457548 - 05/15/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You said you bought the Horse Poo pre pasteurized so it should have the right moisture content. coir comes in dehydrated bricks I suggested it because Its easier to get for some people than H poo. Also its great to mix coir and H poo. Look up RR's video on field capacity. It will show you how to get the moisture content right.http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Horse-Manure-Substrate. You should watch all those videos.


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    #14457924 - 05/15/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nice video..would it be possible to inoculate the dung with syringe? i havent seen anything saying otherwise..


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    #14458037 - 05/15/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No you would not. H poo and coir are bulk substrates and can not be inoculated with spores. Only spawn can be inoculated with spores such as Brown Rice Flour cakes(BRF)and grain spawn like Wild Bird Seed(WBS) and Rye berries. Also you always sterilize spawn in a pressure cooker but you never sterilize bulk substrates. You have to pasteurize bulk substrates.


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    #14458101 - 05/15/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14458274 - 05/15/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

good to know i appreciate it. ive heard that you can boil jars filled with spawn to sterilize is this true?


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Re: need some advice [Re: shroomznbud]
    #14458301 - 05/15/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bud, do you mean like boil jars with WBS (wild bird seed) or BRF (brown rice flour) in them? 

Well yes you do.. you steralize these to ensure no contamination occurs during colonization.  (most people pressure cook vs. boiling but it works the same way.)


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Re: need some advice [Re: Elevated]
    #14458359 - 05/15/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thats exactly my question thanks for explaining. as soon as my spores get here ill be set:mushroom2::mushroom2:


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    #14458801 - 05/15/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You must use a pressure cooker for grain spawn like wbs. You can use a pot with a tight fitting lid for brf cakes. Make sure to sterilize for at least 60 min but 90 min is highly recommended. :goodluck:


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Re: need some advice [Re: NCC1701]
    #14461397 - 05/16/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is my first time and i have made a total of 14 jars so far using 90 min steam times for BRF jars and not 1 contam yet. o i can also only steam 3 at a time(one if it is using my plastic containers).


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