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Can nature be evil? * 1
    #14452989 - 05/14/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can a hurricane be evil?

Can a person be evil?

Is your answer the same for both of these?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453149 - 05/14/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're gonna have to define evil if you want any kind of meaningful answers.


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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14453155 - 05/14/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good Question!

First you must define evil. I consider evil to be pure negative energy that has consciousness.

A hurricane is destructive, it causes entropy, not harmony. This means it is a negative energy. But does it have consciousness? As far as i'm aware, the answer is no (although one could presume otherwise as we can't prove that it doesn't have consciousness). Therefore, a force of nature such as a hurricane probably can't be evil.

A person does have consciousness and can create either negative or positive energy. However, people have the ability to change their energy from negative to positive and vice versa, and since we are defining evil in this case to be PURE 100% negative energy w/consciousness, it is hard to believe that people can be truly evil when they are able to change their state (I think consciousness that is entirely just one type of energy probably cannot change their energy state, because being able to fluctuate between both means that one has both).

Also, you could say that nature could be evil, as animals, and most likely plants too, have a consciousness.
However, with exception to humans, all living organisms we know of abide by the natural cycle of life which keeps everything in balance, which in the larger scheme of things produces harmony, not entropy. So with animals and other living organisms, it is difficult to determine whether they can be "evil," or not, but its certainly possible.

In regards to positive energy/harmony versus negative energy/entropy, I theorize that if the universe were completely in a state of one or the other, both would produce the same result, which is a united oneness of the universe (which on a further tangent, I believe is what ends one universe and begins another, aka the big bang). Its like if you go halfway around the world going east, or if you go halfway around going west. You will be traveling in opposite directions, see completely different geographical locations, yet the destination will remain the same.

"Well, the universe is shaped exactly like the earth
if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were." -modest mouse

SO! Does it matter if you (or anything/one) is good or evil? In the broad scheme of things, no, it probably does not. But for you and your personal trip through this dimension, yes it does, but only because you have a preference of what kind of existence you want to experience.

Good or evil. Harmony or Entropy. Heaven or Hell. Its our choice.

This is my last thought, promise. Negative energy tends to suck up all energy in its path (know some people that "drain" you?), much like a black hole. Positive energy does the opposite, which is to give out energy, like a sun. But wait!!! A black hole is created by a collapsed star, so what the fuck does that mean with our little metaphor?!?!?

Keep asking these kind of questions! :smile: Their answers are much more fulfilling and helpful than "What do my friends think of me?" or what have you.

Edited by Ragecage (05/14/11 07:52 PM)

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: Ragecage]
    #14453161 - 05/14/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why is having consciousness a prerequisite for being able to be evil for you?

Also, is consciousness natural for you?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453163 - 05/14/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
Can a hurricane be evil?

Can a person be evil?

Is your answer the same for both of these?




Hurricanes can't be evil because they aren't able to make choices.

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: 1983]
    #14453167 - 05/14/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And people can?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453173 - 05/14/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And people can?




yes.

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: 1983]
    #14453176 - 05/14/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok.

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453187 - 05/14/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: 1983]
    #14453206 - 05/14/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453249 - 05/14/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Consciousness is a requirement to be evil for me, because evil by the english dictionary means to be proufoundly immoral, which you must have consciousness to have morals. Also, if you did not include consciousness as a requirement to be evil, you would have to consider anything something that causes sadness, entropy, or just something you just don't like to be evil.

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: Ragecage]
    #14453268 - 05/14/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why can choices be evil?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453671 - 05/14/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
Can a hurricane be evil?

Can a person be evil?

Is your answer the same for both of these?



Nature is neither good nor evil, it's just nature.  Good and evil are ideas made up by humans applied to people/places/things in response to threatening things (evil) or beneficial things (good)


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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14453722 - 05/14/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
Can a hurricane be evil?

Can a person be evil?

Is your answer the same for both of these?



Can anything at all be evil? Or good for that matter?


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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14454192 - 05/14/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Good and evil are ideas made up by humans applied to people/places/things in response to threatening things (evil) or beneficial things (good) "

Is this nature too?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: nemesis94]
    #14454195 - 05/14/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know.

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14454206 - 05/14/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good and evil is a human rationalization that nature and animals do not sure.


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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: Stranger]
    #14454220 - 05/14/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Good and evil is a human rationalization that nature and animals do not sure."

Are humans natural? Why aren't the ideas of good and evil, in a sense, also natural?

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14455399 - 05/15/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The question is one of objective morality. Can morality exist without consciousness?

Can one man alone on an island be evil? Suppose that god does exist, can it be good or evil? I don't think so. The concept of evil is pretty subjective.

Am I evil for burning ants with a magnifying glass as a child? Would an infinitely superior alien race who's last chance at survival was to convert our entire galaxy into raw energy, destroying it in the prossess, be evil?

Maybe I'm over thinking things...

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Re: Can nature be evil? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14455407 - 05/15/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Remember that old Buddhist story about the village.  In the village there was a young prince and on the prince's 11th birthday he received the gift of a horse and the villagers all said "How wonderful!" and the Buddhist master said "We shall see."  Later the boy was out riding the horse and was thrown and broke his leg and all of the villagers said "How terrible!" and the Buddhist master said "We'll see."  Later the village becomes involved in a war and all the young villagers go off to fight except for the prince who is still laid up from his accident and the villagers say "How fortunate for him!" and the Buddhist master says "We shall see."

And so on.

Positive, negative, good, evil, justice, salvation, choice.  None of these are real or definable elements of the natural world.  What truly exists are those things that are existential.


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