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First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP!
    #14454472 - 05/15/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all,

About a month ago I started my first grow using the PF Tek for simple minds (from http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek) and have had some strange results to say the least.

From the beginning; I started using the aforementioned PF Tek and followed it exactly with the exception of the vermiculite that I used.  It was about impossible to find a stored that carried it and when I did it ended up being much finer (nearly completely ground) than the vermiculite used in the Tek.  I used spore syringes from sporestore.com, and I'm not sure if this is one of the reputable sites but at the time I was too cheap and they had the best prices it seemed. 

Anyhow I inoculated what ended up being eight glasses and then put them into my incubator which consisted of two trash cans and an aquarium heater which maintains temperatures of 78-82 degrees Fahrenheit I believe.  A few days later I began seeing my first mycelium spots in four of the jars.  A few weeks later the mycelium had advanced rapidly in two of the jars and was going pretty slow in the other two, and the rest still had no growth whatsoever. 

As of today only one jar reached 100% colonization, so I birthed, dunked and rolled, and placed this cake in my fruiting chamber, a medium sized tupperware container lined with damp perlite and with saran wrap covering it to maintain the humidity.



The first few days I was busy as hell and was only able to fan and mist at the beginning and end of the day.  I started getting a bunch of areas which showed dense pinning while other spots had and still have no pins at all. 




When the pins got big enough (but still relatively small) I noticed that a lot of them had already broken their veil, or never had one to begin with, I'm not really sure how this happened.  I figured it was something to do with the way the strain goes so I kept on doing my thing. 








As of now it has been 11 days since the cake was birthed, and all of the mushies are tiny and have whitish caps and no veils. 

I'm freaking stumped here somebody please help this poor n00b!


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454477 - 05/15/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

idk I'm new but to me that looks fucking weird. Doesn't look like cubes... I could be wrong but... wtf?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: TheThirdEye]
    #14454485 - 05/15/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yep those are pretty much my thoughts exactly I've never seen anything like this and I've looked all over the internet.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454500 - 05/15/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's possible maybe another mushroom spore got in there and germinated faster that yours. That thing looks devilish. I would not eat those, and makes me want to barf thinking bout it ( no offense) but What strain is it? and could be rotting mushrooms. Does it smell bad? I'm fairly new to this so take it with a grain of salt.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454502 - 05/15/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would say sporestore fucked you. Always go with a vendor. Sporeworks or ralphsters are both great. Never oreder from sporestore again buddy.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14454507 - 05/15/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what the FUCK???

Kill it with fire!!!


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: chopstick]
    #14454518 - 05/15/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: TheThirdEye]
    #14454530 - 05/15/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

identification please!


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: TheThirdEye]
    #14454532 - 05/15/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's possible maybe another mushroom spore got in there and germinated faster that yours. That thing looks devilish. I would not eat those, and makes me want to barf thinking bout it ( no offense) but What strain is it? and could be rotting mushrooms. Does it smell bad? I'm fairly new to this so take it with a grain of salt.

Well the strain is (supposedly) Golden Teacher but I agree I've never seen any cubies look or develop like this.  I can't really describe the smell it's not that bad but it's not good either, although I don't know what it's supposed to smell like so I couldn't really say.  And I don't think there would have been another mushroom spore unless it was in the spore solution (very possible considering that sporestore isn't a shroomery-sponsored site).
My only theory is that the vermiculite that I used is causing this - In all the PF Tek pictures I've seen the vermiculite is about the consistency of gravel, but the vermiculite I used (Fafard Horticultural Vermiculite in case anybody is familiar with it) was essentially in a nearly powder form.  That's my best and only theory for now but being my first time, I have no clue.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454547 - 05/15/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, fine vermiculite would still produce regularly so I don't think that's your problem.
They look really wet but not full fluffly rich healthy myc anywhere. And don't look anything like Golden Teachers.
Scary lookin haha. idk what to say man. Use a reputable store and pay a little bit more. Atleast you'll get something edible out of it  :shrug: Good luck on your next grow.

Oh and did you have holes in your terrarium.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: TheThirdEye]
    #14454571 - 05/15/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No holes in the terrarium but I've been opening the top daily to fan and mist, which I do about 4 times a day now.  However during the first 2-3 days I was only able to fan and mist once or twice a day, and I was using a much smaller container (a ~1.5 Liter tupperware vs the current 16" x 11" x 11" container) because I had to improvise as I was still away at school.  Point being that during the first few days the cake was in a container barely bigger than the cake itself and was only opened for air exchange and misting twice a day, so I'm guessing there were miniscule O2 levels and hight CO2 levels throughout that period. 

Another possibility for this twilight zone shit maybe?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14454577 - 05/15/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As for identification I ordered the Golden Teacher strain.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454588 - 05/15/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, those aren't cubes...
I have ordered from sporestore twice, the second time was by accident (I got it confused with sporeworks months after the first buy) sporeworks is great BTW.
Most I got grom sporestore was mold. White, green, black.... all different colors of mold. At least you got mushrooms, but I wouldn't eat them.
Next time try A bulk tek. I started with PF cakes too. Disappointing. The mushies will be small b/c of the amount of substrate. I was musch happier when I started on brown rice and spawned to bulk. (which was my second try and on)

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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454625 - 05/15/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah while waiting for the jars to colonize I really started to regret using PF Tek when I realized that bulk substrates and Teks seem to be about the same difficulty if not easier, but I decided that after 1 or 2 flushes off of this first cake I would prepare a container like the terrarium with straw tek and then grate the cake onto it as the crumbled mycelium.  I was assuming that this would work well since I would be adding new grains to it, but being so new to this I could be wrong about this too.  If this is plausible I think that I'll harvest those alien shrooms and set them aside for the time being and use the mycelium for a bulk grow to see if I get any cubes from that.
Again though, no experience so any and all advice, alliteration aside, is greatly appreciated.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454651 - 05/15/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if you are going to toss the cake anyway, you can crumble it up and look if theres sclerotia forming inside.

just curious...


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454653 - 05/15/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Those could be cubes.  Cut one off, and pinch it.  See if it stains Blue.

The HUGE problem I see with your setup is no holes.  You didn't follow the SGFC tek.  You opening and fanning 4x day isn't enough FAE. You need LOTS of holes on all 6 sides of your Fruiting Chamber


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14454673 - 05/15/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ahh god I just about died laughing at those pictures

yeah you need holes in that box you're growing those in

is that a cube? :laugh2:


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14454674 - 05/15/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Those could be cubes.  Cut one off, and pinch it.  See if it stains Blue.



no way / if you like / not diagnostically conclusive.

:bitchplease:


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454691 - 05/15/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly but would Sclerotia be an indicator that it's not a cube but P. mexicana, P. atlantis, or P. tampanesis?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454708 - 05/15/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is a tiny image but here's a picture of P. tampanesis I found

and another bigger one

Perhaps P. tampanesis that was stunted from the severe lack of FAE? What do you guys think?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14454718 - 05/15/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm also a first time grower in trouble. This is my cake after first flush and re-dunking:



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It seems a bit too gray to be healthy. I am in a process of trying this type of grow chamber that mists the cake twice a day for 15min. I wasn't using this chamber during the first flush. I'm afraid I may have over moisturized the surface yesterday. If so, is there anything I can do?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: cafevincent]
    #14454734 - 05/15/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think your new FC may be going a tad bit over board on the misting... 15 minutes sounds almost like a shower.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Slaithenn]
    #14454762 - 05/15/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well that's 15min because I'm using a typical analog timer with minimum 15min intervals. The fogger is in the corner so it doesn't spray anything into the black container, it just creates a layer of fine hovering mist into the whole container. I have unplugged the power to the fogger and I am now administering the mist manually. Can I save it just by letting it dry a bit?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14454807 - 05/15/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly but would Sclerotia be an indicator that it's not a cube but P. mexicana, P. atlantis, or P. tampanesis?



yes, cubes dont produce sclerotia, afaik.

to me it looks like fruits of a sclerotia producing psilocybe.

the pics of your cakes and the pics you posted have quite a few similarities,

like the small thin stem, small caps, no partial veil and the umbo,

which i personally like very much :grin:

here are some more pics.


getting fruitbodies from these psilocybe is not an easy task, as i have heard, but maybe you just did everything right, by accident. :justdontknow:


but, since i dont have any identification skills, all of the above said is without guarantee.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14454907 - 05/15/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt its a sclerotia forming species, all the pics I've seen of them they have pretty thin and very straight stems, which yours don't. Also none of them are mud coloured like yours are.

Looks to me like you got screwed with some random mushroom. I would say you should try to get your money back by telling them you examined them under a microscope and they aren't the right species as there is probably a disclaimer on their site about growing them.

I can't say your odds of getting your money back are high though, these guys seem pretty scumy.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Hashishin13]
    #14455292 - 05/15/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Are you sure this is not a contamination but something else? It appeared overnight. I'm also looking for ideas of what to do about it..



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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14456019 - 05/15/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok I found some pictures that look strikingly similar to what I'm growing but I can't say for sure whether or not this is a match to mine.


Panaeolus cambodginiensis:










and last but not least...



(Here's the forum where I got the last two from also, http://www.gardenscure.com/420/flowers-herbs/137101-mushrooms-17.html

Again, I have no experience in cultivation or identification, but a lot of these pics bear striking resemblances to what I'm getting, especially the last two.
It doesn't make too much sense that they would send me a strain which is much more potent than cubes but I don't know they look the same.

Thoughts?


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14456258 - 05/15/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lets not play the guessing game.

please post your cake pics in the identification forum.

these guys know whats going on; im pretty sure they do.


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Amateur_Chemist]
    #14456260 - 05/15/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have you posted yours on the identification forum? I think its called "mushroom hunting and identification"


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Hashishin13]
    #14456312 - 05/15/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you eat those, they will take control of your brain and you'll have mushrooms growing out of every orifice.


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    #14456338 - 05/15/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Holy crap dude, post some pics of those in identification.  They dont look like golden teachers or any kind of cube.  def dont eat them fucks untill you get some more info


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Hive Node]
    #14456352 - 05/15/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Man, those things are soaking wet! cut way back on the misting and pick way up on the fanning. That being said I think they are cubes, they have the right stem and most scleraitia producers won't pin like that on a pf cake. If those are mexicana/tampensis/ect. you got lucky and you should thank the vendor because the fruits are way more potent than a cube


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: Elevated]
    #14456363 - 05/15/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Throw the pics in the mushroom ID forum and maybe someone theres knows....I don't know wtf they are
  You got duped on a GT syrynge though


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Re: First time grow with PF Tek - Somebody, anybody, please HELP! [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14456636 - 05/15/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok I reposted this to the Identification thread myah: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14456427


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