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#14453915 - 05/14/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have as a Christian run in to demonic activity/possession have been under attack from spiritual forces and have experienced or been around things (being raised in a strong Christian family) that I can only come to explain as Supernatural/Paranormal. IMHO besides the message of Love this is a most important message of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As I raised in power in my faith, as I grew older and more experienced in my meditations. From just plain personal things that happen in your family and life.
I would like to stress the fact that these are my personal experience or things learned from my immediate family. I have come to believe in such things because of the power of the experience itself.
Without going in to too much detail my older sister recently had some trouble with her baby daddy who is a pagan I don't really know what to call it witchcraft, magic whatever he believes/practices. This guy is a drug addict through and through (pills,heroin,coke,etc) well it is hard to explain.
He say's that he did some sort of summoning after drinking a whole bottle of prescription strength Promethazine I cannot go in too much detail(something with a sword and a ritual of somekind ) as I was not there nor am I him. Before this I have never really come across someones experience from the other side so to speak.
Anyway I would like to hear some other peoples beliefs/exp. with this. Either as a Christian or Drug user (because I have no experience with Hard drugs) or as a person tormented or afflicted.
Deliverance from Demons is one of the biggest parts of my Christian church that is either completely ignored or just plain ignorant of. Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
The book of Mathew is filled with encounters with demons.
In these times I think alot of peoples beliefs are at a turning point and many people are even becoming aware that the landscape of Organized Religion is changing forever.
Here is a short video that is very similar to my own experience.
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I once had a bout of sleep paralysis where a dog sat next to me growling at my face, and when I told it to leave a guttural voice came from behind it that said "no, we've been with you since you were a child".
I don't believe it was anything more than a hallucination, however it was probably the most afraid I've ever been in my entire life, and I can see how people form powerful beliefs around such experiences.
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I believe in a spiritual realm but some of that video is hard to swallow. Evil likes trickery, you should be careful
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blewmeanie said: I once had a bout of sleep paralysis where a dog sat next to me growling at my face, and when I told it to leave a guttural voice came from behind it that said "no, we've been with you since you were a child".
I don't believe it was anything more than a hallucination, however it was probably the most afraid I've ever been in my entire life, and I can see how people form powerful beliefs around such experiences.
That is very strange the first time I heard the term Sleep Paralysis is tonight I am listening right now to a video on this exact topic. Synchronicity or coincidence? LoL But I mean come on blewmeanie JUST a hallucination?
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Blindtheeye said: I believe in a spiritual realm but some of that video is hard to swallow. Evil likes trickery, you should be careful
Try meeting someone like in this vid. THATS when it gets hard to swallow.
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Yep, just a hallucination. That's what happens during sleep paralysis.
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Just like anything else, when a person presses their own energy on me I pull back. Letting people dictate the energy around me is not how I operate.
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Thanks for your experience blewmeanie I was only jokin!
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there was a time a few years ago where i was depressed but i was just down and antisocial but then i got this girlfriend who was dark and liked dark things and i loved it, it felt like that was more natural for me. I began to enjoy violence, pain, torture, imagining murder, ect. Then i began acting out on this new found darkness which lead to me losing friends, my girlfriend, my parents trust, my extended family thinks im weird. But okay yeah so what that could mean nothing, but during that time i lost all my fait in the world, all my hope for a future worth living for, i lost the will to live (i was like an empty body: wake up, go to school, come home, sleep) unless i was this 'other person' that was clearly extremely different than me, i was always angry i yelled at people i wanted to hurt them i had thoughts of torture and plans of murder. I've always wondered if there was a God or not but around the age of like 15 i firmly believe there wasnt. Well in an attempt to find answers i started wondering again, i brought out my bible i read things about God and demons and it was like i was insane for thinking i was like possesed or something. I still dont firmly believe any religion but i enjoy learning about everyones beliefs and why they believe them. FINALLY after months and months of an internal mental war it was gone instantly and i was fine, yes instantly..well a matter of 2 or 3 days. I left that darkness with alot of poetry capturing my emotions and thoughts at the times i wrote them, i left with a great fear to ever become depressed again because i dont want to have a chance of that happening again and i left it with a new view of depression characterized as 'the darkness' and that makes it much easier to fight....sorry for this being soooo long but this is a topic that fasinates me and i just naturally talk alot sorry
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Its all Jeezus thanks for sharing!!
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Fear can manifest in personal and quite convincing ways.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.
If you encounter a terror in a lucid dream, and face it, it transforms into something benign.
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Hmmm... I moved outside of the circle of religion quite some time ago. Not that it is false or anything but it was made for people of another time. Just like prophecies and predictions are made for people of a certain time in phrases and metaphors they can comprehend, religion is the same. For example, the Hopi elders in the past made prophecies of rivers of stone (highways), reflective stone building gathering many nations (UN glass), a house being thrown into the stars (space station) and so on and so forth. It is the general agenda of these belief systems to either consciously or subconsciously bring wisdom and harmony to peoples lives through a set of metaphors.
Demons, negative entities, alien abductions, possessions, whatever you want to label it, are all aspects of your own being. If you want to give them some polarized energy and separate them from yourself, by all means do so. However, when the time comes for you to take the next step in spiritual growth, you will have to integrate with it and what that label stands for. Like McKenna said, when we label something, we keep it a constant.
Fearing fear itself is a paradox used as a metaphor to connect to a higher understanding (IMO). People who are "possessed" have chosen to let their energy roam around freely for all who want to to feed off of. These are the things the negative ego usually relies on. When you sit in front of a TV, when you go to the theater, when you get hammered at a party, when you misuse medicines like pot, when you take powerful medicines such as DMT, Ayahuasca, Peyote, Salvia for 'fun' or a 'trip', etc..
tl;dr: it's a figment of the self.
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Re: Demons [Re: OneU]
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(to the OP) for you question about views from other drug users these are my current thoughts. Well a few years ago i met a new friend at our tech school (we took video editing) and he told me he was Wiccan and as i said earlier in interested in learning about other beliefs and religions and it led to reading about Paganism and so on, but then a big focus they always talked about was their 'magic/magik' and rituals and i found it extrememly interesting that people can believe something like that so strongly to willing do some of that stuff. But a key tool for both Pagans and Wiccans was a knife or blade of some sort that would serve multiple purposes idk it may have a conection orsomething. And if he already believed in that stuff and then got drugged its not unlikely for him to totally believe he was summoning the dark lord or what have you. The mind is the most powerful thing that exsists and no two are alike
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Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
That's weird, because I associate mostly all the 'rulers' 'authorities' and demons in this world to be associated with the church 
on a slightly more serious note, I am also convinced that any sort of demon/entity encounter is nothing more then a physically manifested fear that your own mind created after years of negative programming and of course, being told that these things are real to begin with. That's how the mind works bra
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The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.
You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.
It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...
There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...
Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...
Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.
Only a disciple, one who has been taught in true knowledge understands the HOLY spirit and "Unclean" spirits, the realms in which they move...And can control a "Demon"... TO be able to do these things is on a whole different level of understanding that is not gained by Going to the Churches of Rome and their priests... There is a whole new mind (or heart?) that is needed to perceive the spirits, a whole new realm of consciousness only understood on the surface of our modern world by the ones crawling around in diapers...Such is the way of the kingdom...That these things are understood by a child but hidden to the "wise" amongst men.
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The Microcosm Man - is made in "the image and likeness of God," and as such, contains the opposites. The dualistic mind, number 2 being the 'devil's number,' sees things in their duality, not in their unity. God is ONE ("Shema Y'isroel, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echod" - "Hear O Israel, the LORD thy God, the LORD is ONE"). The unified human mind is no longer being crucified by he opposites like the mythic image of Jesus on the cross suspended between: Heaven and Earth, between the Good and Evil brigand, between the light and darkness (often depicted as Sun and Moon in eclipse in medieval art), with solar blood and lunar water issuing from the pierced heart pierced by the centurian's lance. The unified mind is the mind "in Christ." The myths depict God and God's Adversary, named Satan. Satan is, in psychological language, God's "Shadow." Human's have a Shadow, we're made in God's image and likeness, hence God has a Shadow. Note the genocides that God often orders in the Tenach (OT). Note the overt dualistic contradictions pertaining to God as formulated by man's dualistic mind:
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." - 1 John 1:5 OR
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things"]. - isaiah 45:7
Well, which is it? Is God the author of darkness and evil, or not? Does one have to choose to believe one or the other, or rationalize with some Orwellian 'double-think' in order to say with Job: "Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him..." - Job 13:15? God is experienced as a Coincidentia Oppositorum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidentia_oppositorum#Coincidentia_oppositorum It does not help to 'believe' in God and Satan in a Zoroastrian dual principle, especially if Satan is an angel of God. That means that God either creates angels, which means they have a beginning and are not eternal, OR, angelic beings represent an aspect of the ONE God and therefore are eternal. In either case, Satan comes from God. Now, we as mostly un-Christed humanity who remain crucified between the opposites, have no real choice. The dualistic mind has not embarked on a Hegelian 'Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis' dialectic that continuously strives to unify the opposites as we 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling' as Philippians 2:12 asks us to do. No, the multitudes do not work out their salvation to unify their minds (remain "in Christ") so that they can perceive that God is ONE. The multitudes put Jesus the Christ on a pedestal and worship him instead of being him, instead of "putting on Christ" to use biblical language. 
Born-again types really aren't born-again. They have not changed one tiny bit in the direction of transcendental living in which the opposites are reconciled and unified into a third synthesis. They simply claim to be all goodness and light, repress their dark side, and usually project it onto others like Hebrews, Heathen, Homos, Harlots, or whomever represents the Shadow of their own deluded minds. This is why we often observe the loudest mouthed preachers of righteousness overcompensating for the depths of their own depravities. We find a Jimmy Swaggart fucking boy and girl prostitiutes, but shouting for everyone else's redemption on TV all over the globe. Jim Baker had his own Harlot too (and man was she ever hot)! "Being in Christ" is a moment-to-moment involvement. There is no time to judge others if one is as mindful as one needs to be. If we hate the greedy, psychopathic multitudes, we are still being haters. We need to withdraw the projections onto others: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5. The devil is everywhere - in the Alex Grey painting called 'Prayer' (which I have a signed copy of), in the scientific study of parapsychology, in the wisdom traditions of the world; everywhere but in the heart and mind of the rapid, deluded fundamentalist. They all suffer the same pathology and create the greatest source of suffering in the world. Funny how that works, but not 'haha' funny.
'Sympathy for the devil' means sympathy for our own Shadow. Without sympathy, there is no reconciliation, being reconciled to being a human being both temporal-animal and eternal-spiritual - JUST like the condition that has always been attributed to the archetypal human - Jesus the Christ, a Man-God - the projection onto a historical figure of what Grace Slick sang "every man's story." Why, even characteristically low-life, low-chakra dominated humans are animal-divinity, but they don't Know it, and those who only know it intellectually, become Nazis and supremacist types. To truly KNOW this in a Gnostic sense, is manifested in humility, just like mythic Jesus.
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c0sm0nautt said: I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.
Wouldn't the same be true for any positive entities you encounter as well, then?
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c0sm0nautt said: I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.
Wouldn't the same be true for any positive entities you encounter as well, then?
Indeed. I suppose the line between self and other gets even more confusing with the the mystical notion of Oneness between all things.
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Were they more, less, or equally parts of yourself as your best friend or the chair you're sitting on right now?
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Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
That's weird, because I associate mostly all the 'rulers' 'authorities' and demons in this world to be associated with the church 
on a slightly more serious note, I am also convinced that any sort of demon/entity encounter is nothing more then a physically manifested fear that your own mind created after years of negative programming and of course, being told that these things are real to begin with. That's how the mind works bra 
You bring up an important topic however misplaced your humor seems. The idea of negative programming. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on SRA, MPD MKUltra, Schizophrenia and the experiments performed on kids during WW2 to create Manchurian Candidates. Also I do not disagree that Ephesians 6-12 is not referring to 'earthly' authorities as well such as 'the church' and political bodies.
Who is physically manifesting this fear the person who is afflicted? Not sure I understand what you mean here-- are you agreeing that people can be negatively programmed to act out something like this? Or are you disagreeing and positing that none of it is real-- sorry for the confusion either way thanks for sharing!
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TeamAmerica said: The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.
1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Uhmm, Yeshua if you are referring to Him as Messiah is not the Buddha. It is my understanding that 'Control' is not part of Deliverance either way. Also you claim Christians lack understanding please if you have much more knowledge than I that is the point of this thread feel free to add as opposed to criticize.
Luke 10- 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
Even the spirits recognize the authority of Paul and Christ as in Acts 19:11-15 I would like to add once again that we are given authority through Christ as seen here in Luke 10 and I have personally seen the power of this authority exercised.
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TeamAmerica said: You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.
It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...
Nowhere have I read that the holy spirit cannot pass over water. In fact Genesis 1:2 states The Spirit of Adonai hovered over the waters of creation.
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TeamAmerica said: There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...
Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...
Yes Mary did in fact have seven 'unclean' spirits in her. But whats your point? Are you just judging the lady in the vids ability??
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TeamAmerica said: Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.
I would rather not get into topics like 'servants of the shadow' or 'ancient priesthood' real or fictional as that is beyond the scope of this thread.
I can only add things that I have personal experience in or have learned directly from my Grandmother and Mother from their experience.
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I would also like to add that in my experience I have never once gone out looking for Demon possessed people. Typically this stuff comes to you or me rather. Usually in a church service or in a gathering of prayer.
Many times other churches will bring these people to US because either they do not believe in demons (just like baptist do not believe in speaking in tongues) or they are unequipped to handle these people who seem truly in need.
There have even been times that by just the presence of a person filled with the power of the Holy Spirit causes dust to be kicked up so to speak.
So please do not assume that I am some kind of Evangelical who goes around thinking everything has a shadow and everyone has a demon in them because that could not be farther from the truth. I have never in my life gone looking for a person to ask them to come to Christ. In my experience people are willing to listen for their own reasons or come to me asking about such things not because I knocked on their door but because they have needs in their life that are not being met.
Just in my daily walk as a believer and as someone who lives and practices what he preaches have these things come to pass in my life.
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TeamAmerica said: The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.
1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Uhmm, Yeshua if you are referring to Him as Messiah is not the Buddha. It is my understanding that 'Control' is not part of Deliverance either way. Also you claim Christians lack understanding please if you have much more knowledge than I that is the point of this thread feel free to add as opposed to criticize.
The Buddha...The anointed one...It is the same archetype
But yes "Jesus" is much more gnostic in approach than Gautama...
The "Christian" of today is a fool...Thinking he knows Jesus because they see him upon a cross and says to this white man figure suffering that she believes in him, means nothing. I'm not saying if you are a seeker...Seeking what Jesus taught...seeking yourself...Seeking the kingdom and being Guided by the Spirit... Luke 10- 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
Even the spirits recognize the authority of Paul and Christ as in Acts 19:11-15 so paul the roman says...So much fundamentalism is based upon the writings of paul when he was a roman and not even a disciple...They use the writings of paul because he lacks any of the real gnostic knowledge that was contained in Jesus parables and words, and is a good example of how different sects of Christianity were already being made... I would like to add once again that we are given authority through Christ as seen here in Luke 10 and I have personally seen the power of this authority exercised.
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TeamAmerica said: You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.
It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...
Nowhere have I read that the holy spirit cannot pass over water. In fact Genesis 1:2 states The Spirit of Adonai hovered over the waters of creation.
If you were a good christian boy you would correlate with the passage
"When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came."
Now tell me Christian born again...Or so you think...Why would an evil spirit not cross over water? any answers?
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There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...
Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...
Yes Mary did in fact have seven 'unclean' spirits in her. But whats your point? Are you just judging the lady in the vids ability??
Yes, I am...
If you can't clearly understand the difference between the legitimacy of an actual Disciple of that time hearing Jesus' ACTUAL words and some lady that thinks she understands the bible, maybe she does...But only to a limited degree, she is still no more than a seeker...Seek and it shall be given...Be arrogant and you will fail in seeking...The Buddha understands...
Cleansing of an evil spirit was an actual supernatural event...If you recall the gospel, many of the people watching the events were amazed...In other words...It was actually real, instead of some guy shaking a cross over a foaming demon girl...That is a misinterpretation and clever misdirection from the truth...Spirit is an ancient reference partly to the element of AIR or WIND (The wind blows,so it is everyone in the spirit) Spirit refers to that which is invisible...The mind in some ways...But it represents actually a spiritual reality...The holy spirit, evil spirits, refers to extra dimensional, or rather sub dimensional/beyond 5 senses entities or energies.
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TeamAmerica said: Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.
I would rather not get into topics like 'servants of the shadow' or 'ancient priesthood' real or fictional as that is beyond the scope of this thread.
I can only add things that I have personal experience in or have learned directly from my Grandmother and Mother from their experience.
And what is that?
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Forever White Belt said: I would also like to add that in my experience I have never once gone out looking for Demon possessed people. Typically this stuff comes to you or me rather. Usually in a church service or in a gathering of prayer.
Many times other churches will bring these people to US because either they do not believe in demons (just like baptist do not believe in speaking in tongues) or they are unequipped to handle these people who seem truly in need.
There have even been times that by just the presence of a person filled with the power of the Holy Spirit causes dust to be kicked up so to speak.
So please do not assume that I am some kind of Evangelical who goes around thinking everything has a shadow and everyone has a demon in them because that could not be farther from the truth. I have never in my life gone looking for a person to ask them to come to Christ. In my experience people are willing to listen for their own reasons or come to me asking about such things not because I knocked on their door but because they have needs in their life that are not being met.
Just in my daily walk as a believer and as someone who lives and practices what he preaches have these things come to pass in my life.
How do you know that you yourself do not have an evil spirit?
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Chill out man-- No need for name calling or any thing like that if you don't agree with what I'm saying that's cool. You don't have to pigeon hole me cuz
The video is very similar to my own experience I would not like to add too much personal info, after I found that vid I thought it was so similar so I would not have to add my own personal details...
oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??
I mean come on your name is TeamAmerica that's one of my favorite movies we have something in common so don't trip and remember Jesus loves you!!
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I remember watching a progamme where Alister Crowely had a few full blown converstaions with a demon!!
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Sounds interesting! I bet if any ever has he would be someone to tell about it!
Any idea what the program was called?? Everything is online nowadays
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oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??
I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.
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I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.
care to elaborate?
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How do we know that Forever White Belt isn't the anti-christ? Just sayin...
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I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.
I would also like to hear more
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The video is very similar to my own experience I would not like to add too much personal info, after I found that vid I thought it was so similar so I would not have to add my own personal details...
oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??
I mean come on your name is TeamAmerica that's one of my favorite movies we have something in common so don't trip and remember Jesus loves you!!
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Yes I can elaborate, A LOT of humans are getting eating up by critters(this is for you to meditate and figure out). I dont know much about demons, but I can probably say they are just advanced forms of parasites. Parasites exist from physical form all the way up to the spiritual realms. I wouldnt worry too much about Demons, they are not the only malevolent force out there. Check out this Alex grey photo it explains some:
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Yet again I would like you to elaborate on your ideas. I guess I would say that demons would be something i wouldn't want to antagonize. What other malevolent forces are you referring to?
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Consciousness goes way beyond the body does benevolent entities exist only in the higher realms? Probably not. Its simple logic, non of this is complex its just our egos get in the way of this realizations.
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I see tons of "demons" in every day life... Another word for them is assholes - people just not being cool. You don't have to let them get to you. The truth is, you can only drag yourself down.
All of the metaphysical stuff about demons and parasites may be true, but it really isn't that scary - We see all of that vice firsthand here on Earth. Parasites feeding on negative energy need the people, out of their own will, to create the negative energy.
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I view demons as a singular advanced manipulative conciousness. They have arms ans legs, and can think. But there is other negative entities i would put in a different catagory then of "demons". Like adrenal gland specialist, and or singular negatory consciousness that specializes in feasting on peoples life force. Nothing to be afraid of, the more aware of about them, its like pickaboo, no where to hide anymore haha.
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The best description I've come across is that of Eckhart Tolle's "Pain Body."
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This accumulated pain is a negative energy field that occupies your body and mind. If you look on it as an invisible entity in its own right, you are getting quite close to the truth. It's the emotional pain body. It has two modes of being: dormant and active.
.The pain body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it. It can then rise up, take you over, "become you," and live through you. It needs to get its "food" through you. It will feed on any experience that resonates with its own kind of energy, anything that creates further pain in whatever form: anger, destructiveness, hatred, grief, emotional drama, violence, and even illness.
So the pain body, when it has taken you over, will create a situation in your life that reflects back its own energy frequency for it to feed on. Pain can only feed on pain. Pain cannot feed on joy. It finds it quite indigestible.
Once the pain body has taken you over, you want more pain. You become a victim or a perpetrator. You want to inflict pain, or you want to suffer pain, or both. There isn't really much difference between the two. You are not conscious of this, of course, and will vehemently claim that you do not want pain. But look closely and you will that your thinking and behavior are designed to keep the pain going, for yourself and others.
If you were truly conscious of it, the pattern would dissolve, for to want more pain is insanity, and nobody is consciously insane. The pain body, which is the dark shadow cast by the ego, is actually afraid of the light of your consciousness. It is afraid of being found out. Its survival depends on your unconscious identification with it, as well as on your unconscious fear of facing the the pain that lives in you. But if you don't face it, if you don't bring the light of your consciousness into the pain, you will be forced to relive it again and again. The pain body may seem to you like a dangerous monster that you cannot bear to look at, but I assure you that it is an insubstantial phantom that cannot prevail against the power of your presence..
So the pain body doesn't want you to observe it directly and see it for what it is. The moment you observe, feel its energy field within you, and take your attention into it, the identification is broken. A higher dimension of consciousness has come in. I call it presence.
You are now the witness or the watcher of the pain body. This means that it cannot use you anymore by pretending to be you, and it can no longer replenish itself through you. You have found your own inner strength. You have accessed the power of Now. Unconsciousness creates it; consciousness transmutes it into itself.
The pin body consists of trapped life-energy that has split off from your total energy field and has temporarily become autonomous through the unnatural process of mind identification. It has turned in on itself and become anti-life, like an animal trying to devour its own tail. Why do you think our civilization has become so life-destructive? But even the life-destructive forces are still life-energy.
Let me summarize the process. Focus attention on the feeling inside you. Know that it is the pain body. Accept that it is there. Don't think about it - don't let the feeling turn into thinking. Don't judge or analyze. Don't make an identity for yourself out of it. Stay present, and continue to be the observer of what is happening inside you. Become aware not only of the emotional pain but also of "the one who observes," the silent watcher.
This is the power of the Now, the power of your own conscious presence. Then see what happens.
For many women, the pain body awakens particularly at the time preceding the menstrual flow....If you are able to stay alert and present at that time and watch whatever you feel within, rather then be taken over by it, it affords an opportunity for the most powerful spiritual practice, and a rapid transmutation of all past pain becomes possible.
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"I view demons as a singular advanced manipulative conciousness. They have arms ans legs, and can think. But there is other negative entities i would put in a different catagory then of "demons". Like adrenal gland specialist, and or singular negatory consciousness that specializes in feasting on peoples life force. Nothing to be afraid of, the more aware of about them, its like pickaboo, no where to hide anymore haha. "
You can prevent them feeding from your energy, you have to strengthen your aura.
ForeverWhiteBelt,
I remember you posting something about finding a soul a while back, did Jesus help you to find it? Is that why?
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Demons always go sick when the lord Jesus Christ's name is mentioned!! Therefore Jesus and God are real too!
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teknix said: "I view demons as a singular advanced manipulative conciousness. They have arms ans legs, and can think. But there is other negative entities i would put in a different catagory then of "demons". Like adrenal gland specialist, and or singular negatory consciousness that specializes in feasting on peoples life force. Nothing to be afraid of, the more aware of about them, its like pickaboo, no where to hide anymore haha. "
You can prevent them feeding from your energy, you have to strengthen your aura.
ForeverWhiteBelt,
I remember you posting something about finding a soul a while back, did Jesus help you to find it? Is that why?
I am not sure I understand your question. Not sure how to answer. During my practice in Hawaii I was going through a mourning period due to the loss of my mother (I was about 20) and was sort of battling the question in meditation on how long this mourning period should last. I am a MMA fighter and BJJ instructor and my "fighting spirit" is obviously very important to me. This is the soul I was referring to in that thread.
I have had other experiences in meditation prior to this that led me to my powerful beliefs in the Messiah. Whatever your beliefs are, when you have a personal experience in something during meditation it is undeniable.
The power of meditation is not something to be fooled with and I am very glad and blessed to have been guided and advanced by my brothers and instructor.
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I like to think of demons as entities manifested by the subconscious from negative energy. The subconscious makes up most of what/who we are and it needs to express or 'get out' what gets locked within the depths of the psyche. Dreams are probably the most common way for the subconscious to express... however if that is thwarted I can definitely see how/why the subconscious would create entities to make a clearer point so to say. As to whether or not this is completely spontaneous or what the conditions are for the subconscious to conjure up, dont ask me...
imo attaching such experiences to 'demons' or other religious connotations are no different then being guided by dreams... but tying in religion with such experiences will only limit the user from discovering so much more about themselves. To define is to confine
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This quote comes to mind:
"Though the light and comfort of the outward world keeps even the worst men from any constant strong sensibility of that wrathful, fiery, dark and self-tormenting nature that is the very essence of every fallen unregenerate soul, yet every man in the world has more or less frequent and strong intimations given him that so it is with him in the inmost ground of his soul. How many inventions are some people forced to have recourse to in order to keep off a certain inward uneasiness, which they are afraid of and know not whence it comes? Alas, it is because there is a fallen spirit, a dark, aching fire, within them, which has never had its proper relief and is trying to discover itself and calling out for help at every cessation of worldly joy." — William Law
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foliocb said: I like to think of demons as entities manifested by the subconscious from negative energy. The subconscious makes up most of what/who we are and it needs to express or 'get out' what gets locked within the depths of the psyche. Dreams are probably the most common way for the subconscious to express... however if that is thwarted I can definitely see how/why the subconscious would create entities to make a clearer point so to say. As to whether or not this is completely spontaneous or what the conditions are for the subconscious to conjure up, dont ask me...
I am not disagreeing with you here. I have done some studying in 'trauma bonding' Multiple personality disorder and SRA -- the nazi's say that they discovered this kind of thing but idk. Any way the nazi's would use traumatic experiences to break the personality up into separate parts and re-integrate or sub-layer personalities that would only be triggered by certain words or experiences.
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imo attaching such experiences to 'demons' or other religious connotations are no different then being guided by dreams... but tying in religion with such experiences will only limit the user from discovering so much more about themselves. To define is to confine 
Care to explain what you mean guided by dreams?? Joseph of the Bible was a dream prophet, IMO dreams can be interpreted and "real"
My teacher runs peyote eating ceremonies among Native American peoples in many of these ceremonies people are contacted by figures from religious traditions (not always their own) he has explained to me that these beings choose to reveal themselves to us for their own reasons and I have to agree.
When teaching my best friend from childhood Shiva visited him (he comes from a Christian Filipino family) naked with huge breasts and all six arms dancing. She asked him to follow her and it scared the shit out of him and he still won't come back to learn because of it. My teacher explained to him that he may never get that kind of chance again.
I have to disagree with you because of these kinds of experiences in my life. In my experience and from the mouth of my closest friend, he did not choose to tie in religious connotations and if he did don't you think he would have chosen something from his own religious upbringing?
Since it was Shiva who appeared and not Jesus you know?
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Chill out with the insults. If you don't believe what I am saying that is cool I am not going to call you mentally ill just because we disagree.
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"Though the light and comfort of the outward world keeps even the worst men from any constant strong sensibility of that wrathful, fiery, dark and self-tormenting nature that is the very essence of every fallen unregenerate soul, yet every man in the world has more or less frequent and strong intimations given him that so it is with him in the inmost ground of his soul. How many inventions are some people forced to have recourse to in order to keep off a certain inward uneasiness, which they are afraid of and know not whence it comes? Alas, it is because there is a fallen spirit, a dark, aching fire, within them, which has never had its proper relief and is trying to discover itself and calling out for help at every cessation of worldly joy." — William Law
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Wow. Is this why I was "drawn out of the pack by a master shaman" when I was 13??
Terence is awesome to me.
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Care to explain what you mean guided by dreams?? Joseph of the Bible was a dream prophet, IMO dreams can be interpreted and "real"
Dreams are subjective.
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When teaching my best friend from childhood Shiva visited him (he comes from a Christian Filipino family) naked with huge breasts and all six arms dancing.
Shiva has 10 arms doesn't she?
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I have to disagree with you because of these kinds of experiences in my life. In my experience and from the mouth of my closest friend, he did not choose to tie in religious connotations and if he did don't you think he would have chosen something from his own religious upbringing?
Since it was Shiva who appeared and not Jesus you know?
Well I obviously can't verify these claims so I can't agree or disagree, either would be foolish imo. I say lets transcend all religions and evolve as a species, but hey thats just me
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