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Demons
    #14453915 - 05/14/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have as a Christian run in to demonic activity/possession have been under attack from spiritual forces and have experienced or been around things (being raised in a strong Christian family) that I can only come to explain as Supernatural/Paranormal. IMHO besides the message of Love this is a most important message of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


As I raised in power in my faith, as I grew older and more experienced in my meditations. From just plain personal things that happen in your family and life.

I would like to stress the fact that these are my personal experience or things learned from my immediate family. I have come to believe in such things because of the power of the experience itself.

Without going in to too much detail my older sister recently had some trouble with her baby daddy who is a pagan I don't really know what to call it witchcraft, magic whatever he believes/practices. This guy is a drug addict through and through (pills,heroin,coke,etc) well it is hard to explain.

He say's that he did some sort of summoning after drinking a whole bottle of prescription strength Promethazine I cannot go in too much detail(something with a sword and a ritual of somekind ) as I was not there nor am I him. Before this I have never really come across someones experience from the other side so to speak.

Anyway I would like to hear some other peoples beliefs/exp. with this. Either as a Christian or Drug user (because I have no experience with Hard drugs) or as a person tormented or afflicted.

Deliverance from Demons is one of the biggest parts of my Christian church that is either completely ignored or just plain ignorant of.  Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


The book of Mathew is filled with encounters with demons.

In these times I think alot of peoples beliefs are at a turning point and many people are even becoming aware that the landscape of Organized Religion is changing forever. 


Here is a short video that is very similar to my own experience.



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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14453937 - 05/14/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I once had a bout of sleep paralysis where a dog sat next to me growling at my face, and when I told it to leave a guttural voice came from behind it that said "no, we've been with you since you were a child".

I don't believe it was anything more than a hallucination, however it was probably the most afraid I've ever been in my entire life, and I can see how people form powerful beliefs around such experiences.


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14453973 - 05/14/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe in a spiritual realm but some of that video is hard to swallow.  Evil likes trickery, you should be careful


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Re: Demons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14454010 - 05/14/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I once had a bout of sleep paralysis where a dog sat next to me growling at my face, and when I told it to leave a guttural voice came from behind it that said "no, we've been with you since you were a child".

I don't believe it was anything more than a hallucination, however it was probably the most afraid I've ever been in my entire life, and I can see how people form powerful beliefs around such experiences.





That is very strange the first time I heard the term Sleep Paralysis is tonight I am listening right now to a video on this exact topic. Synchronicity or coincidence? LoL But I mean come on blewmeanie JUST a hallucination?


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Re: Demons [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14454018 - 05/14/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe in a spiritual realm but some of that video is hard to swallow.  Evil likes trickery, you should be careful





Try meeting someone like in this vid. THATS when it gets hard to swallow.


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14454040 - 05/14/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, just a hallucination. That's what happens during sleep paralysis.


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Re: Demons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14454058 - 05/14/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just like anything else, when a person presses their own energy on me I pull back.  Letting people dictate the energy around me is not how I operate.


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Re: Demons [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14454059 - 05/14/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for your experience blewmeanie I was only jokin!


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14454082 - 05/14/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

there was a time a few years ago where i was depressed but i was just down and antisocial but then i got this girlfriend who was dark and liked dark things and i loved it, it felt like that was more natural for me. I began to enjoy violence, pain, torture, imagining murder, ect. Then i began acting out on this new found darkness which lead to me losing friends, my girlfriend, my parents trust, my extended family thinks im weird. But okay yeah so what that could mean nothing, but during that time i lost all my fait in the world, all my hope for a future worth living for, i lost the will to live (i was like an empty body: wake up, go to school, come home, sleep) unless i was this 'other person' that was clearly extremely different than me, i was always angry i yelled at people i wanted to hurt them i had thoughts of torture and plans of murder. I've always wondered if there was a God or not but around the age of like 15 i firmly believe there wasnt. Well in an attempt to find answers i started wondering again, i brought out my bible i read things about God and demons and it was like i was insane for thinking i was like possesed or something. I still dont firmly believe any religion but i enjoy learning about everyones beliefs and why they believe them. FINALLY after months and months of an internal mental war it was gone instantly and i was fine, yes instantly..well a matter of 2 or 3 days. I left that darkness with alot of poetry capturing my emotions and thoughts at the times i wrote them, i left with a great fear to ever become depressed again because i dont want to have a chance of that happening again and i left it with a new view of depression characterized as 'the darkness' and that makes it much easier to fight....sorry for this being soooo long but this is a topic that fasinates me and i just naturally talk alot sorry :undecided:


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    #14454112 - 05/14/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its all Jeezus thanks for sharing!!


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14456066 - 05/15/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fear can manifest in personal and quite convincing ways.

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.

If you encounter a terror in a lucid dream, and face it, it transforms into something benign.

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Re: Demons [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14456156 - 05/15/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm... I moved outside of the circle of religion quite some time ago. Not that it is false or anything but it was made for people of another time. Just like prophecies and predictions are made for people of a certain time in phrases and metaphors they can comprehend, religion is the same. For example, the Hopi elders in the past made prophecies of rivers of stone (highways), reflective stone building gathering many nations (UN glass), a house being thrown into the stars (space station) and so on and so forth. It is the general agenda of these belief systems to either consciously or subconsciously bring wisdom and harmony to peoples lives through a set of metaphors.

Demons, negative entities, alien abductions, possessions, whatever you want to label it, are all aspects of your own being. If you want to give them some polarized energy and separate them from yourself, by all means do so. However, when the time comes for you to take the next step in spiritual growth, you will have to integrate with it and what that label stands for. Like McKenna said, when we label something, we keep it a constant.

Fearing fear itself is a paradox used as a metaphor to connect to a higher understanding (IMO). People who are "possessed" have chosen to let their energy roam around freely for all who want to to feed off of. These are the things the negative ego usually relies on. When you sit in front of a TV, when you go to the theater, when you get hammered at a party, when you misuse medicines like pot, when you take powerful medicines such as DMT, Ayahuasca, Peyote, Salvia for 'fun' or a 'trip', etc..


tl;dr: it's a figment of the self.

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Re: Demons [Re: OneU]
    #14456257 - 05/15/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

(to the OP) for you question about views from other drug users these are my current thoughts. Well a few years ago i met a new friend at our tech school (we took video editing) and he told me he was Wiccan and as i said earlier in interested in learning about other beliefs and religions and it led to reading about Paganism and so on, but then a big focus they always talked about was their 'magic/magik' and rituals and i found it extrememly interesting that people can believe something like that so strongly to willing do some of that stuff. But a key tool for both Pagans and Wiccans was a knife or blade of some sort that would serve multiple purposes idk it may have a conection orsomething. And if he already believed in that stuff and then got drugged its not unlikely for him to totally believe he was summoning the dark lord or what have you. The mind is the most powerful thing that exsists and no two are alike


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14456549 - 05/15/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.





That's weird, because I associate mostly all the 'rulers' 'authorities' and demons in this world to be associated with the church :ahahaha:


on a slightly more serious note, I am also convinced that any sort of demon/entity encounter is nothing more then a physically manifested fear that your own mind created after years of negative programming and of course, being told that these things are real to begin with. That's how the mind works bra :satansmoking:


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14457635 - 05/15/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.

You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.

It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...


There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...

Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...



Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.

Only a disciple, one who has been taught in true knowledge understands the HOLY spirit and "Unclean" spirits, the realms in which they move...And can control a "Demon"... TO be able to do these things is on a whole different level of understanding that is not gained by Going to the Churches of Rome and their priests... There is a  whole new mind (or heart?) that is needed to perceive the spirits, a whole new realm of consciousness only understood on the surface of our modern world by the ones crawling around in diapers...Such is the way of the kingdom...That these things are understood by a child but hidden to the "wise" amongst men.

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    #14457904 - 05/15/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The Microcosm Man - is made in "the image and likeness of God," and as such, contains the opposites. The dualistic mind, number 2 being the 'devil's number,' sees things in their duality, not in their unity. God is ONE ("Shema Y'isroel, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echod"  - "Hear O Israel, the LORD thy God, the LORD is ONE"). The unified human mind is no longer being crucified by he opposites like the mythic image of Jesus on the cross suspended between: Heaven and Earth, between the Good and Evil brigand, between the light and darkness (often depicted as Sun and Moon in eclipse in medieval art), with solar blood and lunar water issuing from the pierced heart pierced by the centurian's lance. The unified mind is the mind "in Christ." The myths depict God and God's Adversary, named Satan. Satan is, in psychological language, God's "Shadow." Human's have a Shadow, we're made in God's image and likeness, hence God has a Shadow. Note the genocides that God often orders in the Tenach (OT). Note the overt dualistic contradictions pertaining to God as formulated by man's dualistic mind:

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." - 1 John 1:5
                                                                               
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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things"]. - isaiah 45:7

Well, which is it? Is God the author of darkness and evil, or not? Does one have to choose to believe one or the other, or rationalize with some Orwellian 'double-think' in order to say with Job:
"Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him..."  - Job 13:15? God is experienced as a Coincidentia Oppositorum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidentia_oppositorum#Coincidentia_oppositorum ; It does not help to 'believe' in God and Satan in a Zoroastrian dual principle, especially if Satan is an angel of God. That means that God either creates angels, which means they have a beginning and are not eternal, OR, angelic beings represent an aspect of the ONE God and therefore are eternal. In either case, Satan comes from God. Now, we as mostly un-Christed humanity who remain crucified between the opposites, have no real choice. The dualistic mind has not embarked on a Hegelian 'Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis' dialectic that continuously strives to unify the opposites as we 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling' as Philippians 2:12 asks us to do. No, the multitudes do not work out their salvation to unify their minds (remain "in Christ") so that they can perceive that God is ONE. The multitudes put Jesus the Christ on a pedestal and worship him instead of being him, instead of "putting on Christ" to use biblical language.  :devil:

Born-again types really aren't born-again. They have not changed one tiny bit in the direction of transcendental living in which the opposites are reconciled and unified into a third synthesis. They simply claim to be all goodness and light, repress their dark side, and usually project it onto others like Hebrews, Heathen, Homos, Harlots, or whomever represents the Shadow of their own deluded minds. This is why we often observe the loudest mouthed preachers of righteousness overcompensating for the depths of their own depravities. We find a Jimmy Swaggart fucking boy and girl prostitiutes, but shouting for everyone else's redemption on TV all over the globe. Jim Baker had his own Harlot too (and man was she ever hot)! "Being in Christ" is a moment-to-moment involvement. There is no time to judge others if one is as mindful as one needs to be. If we hate the greedy, psychopathic multitudes, we are still being haters. We need to withdraw the projections onto others: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5. The devil is everywhere - in the Alex Grey painting called 'Prayer' (which I have a signed copy of), in the scientific study of parapsychology, in the wisdom traditions of the world; everywhere but in the heart and mind of the rapid, deluded fundamentalist. They all suffer the same pathology and create the greatest source of suffering in the world. Funny how that works, but not 'haha' funny. :sad:

'Sympathy for the devil' means sympathy for our own Shadow. Without sympathy, there is no reconciliation, being reconciled to being a human being both temporal-animal and eternal-spiritual - JUST like the condition that has always been attributed to the archetypal human - Jesus the Christ, a Man-God - the projection onto a historical figure of what Grace Slick sang "every man's story." Why, even characteristically low-life, low-chakra dominated humans are animal-divinity, but they don't Know it, and those who only know it intellectually, become Nazis and supremacist types. To truly KNOW this in a Gnostic sense, is manifested in humility, just like mythic Jesus.


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Re: Demons [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14461259 - 05/16/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.




Wouldn't the same be true for any positive entities you encounter as well, then?


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    #14461291 - 05/16/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've had my bouts with perceived negative entities, however I remain unconvinced they were anything but parts of myself.




Wouldn't the same be true for any positive entities you encounter as well, then?




Indeed. I suppose the line between self and other gets even more confusing with the the mystical notion of Oneness between all things. :cool:

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    #14461371 - 05/16/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Were they more, less, or equally parts of yourself as your best friend or the chair you're sitting on right now?


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    #14461837 - 05/16/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ephesians 6-12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.





That's weird, because I associate mostly all the 'rulers' 'authorities' and demons in this world to be associated with the church :ahahaha:


on a slightly more serious note, I am also convinced that any sort of demon/entity encounter is nothing more then a physically manifested fear that your own mind created after years of negative programming and of course, being told that these things are real to begin with. That's how the mind works bra :satansmoking:




You bring up an important topic however misplaced your humor seems. The idea of negative programming. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on SRA, MPD MKUltra, Schizophrenia and the experiments performed on kids during WW2 to create Manchurian Candidates. Also I do not disagree that Ephesians 6-12 is not referring to 'earthly' authorities as well such as 'the church' and political bodies.


Who is physically manifesting this fear the person who is afflicted? Not sure I understand what you mean here-- are you agreeing that people can be negatively programmed to act out something like this? Or are you disagreeing and positing that none of it is real-- sorry for the confusion either way thanks for sharing!


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