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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14451457 - 05/14/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well there's a difference between cooperating with police and divulging anything and everything you doing, legal or illegal, just out of fear or ignorance, and knowing your rights and cooperating to an extent, but not incriminating yourself in the process. Police are trained to ask "the right questions" in order to trip you up and, in turn, force you to inadvertently confess to something. I have had no problem refusing to allow searches in the past. Sure, they might get pissy and threaten to bring in dogs, or warrants, or what have you, but until they have probable cause and/or a warrant, you have every right to deny search and seizure.

No one's saying to throw a tantrum, but you have every right to disagree with the police and civilly argue your place. Civilly being the key word there. I would never just tuck my tail between my legs and give in to anything the police say or demand, especially if I know it's under my rights to do so.

When in doubt, though, say absolutely nothing.


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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Boozie]
    #14451577 - 05/14/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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When in doubt, though, say absolutely nothing


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1) Comply. Seriously, even if the pig is asking you to do some dumb shit, or being a dick. Just shut up, do what he says, don't give him any reasons to do anything stupid.



When this guy said comply i don't believe he meant for you to incriminate yourself.  I think he was saying don't argue or fight/ resist arrest. 
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you have every right to disagree with the police and civilly argue your place.


Indeed you do, but it usually does little good and can quickly escalate into an irate argument ending with an ass beating.  Tell it to the one who matters, the judge.

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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14451619 - 05/14/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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1) Comply. Seriously, even if the pig is asking you to do some dumb shit, or being a dick. Just shut up, do what he says, don't give him any reasons to do anything stupid.





You speak like a slave.

You disgust me.

Enjoy the last grains of freedom that remain in your hourglass.



:lol: You're right you should make things worse for yourself by throwing a tantrum.  That'll show em you're no slave.  Think very carefully whats worth it and what inst-"is that the hill i want to die on?"  Reminds me of a buddy of mine who cant keep his mouth shut, and more than once got taken in rather than just getting a ticket and going on his way.  If you're indeed innocent, being belligerent is not going to help your case.





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Ras lives within I and the I doesn't abide evil.

I love you brother; but evil must be rebuked, not coddled and nurtured.


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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Humility]
    #14451719 - 05/14/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You enjoy rebuking all that hate with a knee pressed against your back while you're being kidney punched for saying the word "pig" to the wrong pissed off redneck with a gun and a superiority complex.

Look, you can hold whatever grand, idealistic idea of what you want to do with the police while you're sitting here at a keyboard, but I guarantee you, between you and and the guy who kept his mouth SHUT, didn't say ANYTHING TO THE POLICE, and just put his hands behind his back and let the lawyers handle it, you're going to end up with a bigger sentence, a more pissed off professional witness (who is BOUND to show up at your trial now just to fuck you over, when before you had a chance maybe he'd skip since he didn't really remember the nice guy who just shut up and sit in the back of his car and went to jail) and maybe a bruised kidney for your trouble.

You enjoy that, guy. There's a difference between working the system and working against it. I'd rather be the guy who shut his mouth and got probation rather than the one who stood up for what he believed in and ended up setting his cause back because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

If you aren't done, just SHUT UP. Don't talk to the cops, even if they catch you red handed. You see that video I posted? That's a local criminal defense attorney. Her job is to make sure you walk out of jail EVEN IF YOU ARE GUILTY, provided she can. If you talk, if you resist, if you do anything but peacefully identify yourself, and comply with the officers physical demands (get out of the car, hands on your head, you're under arrest, sir) you're making her job hard. Which means not only is she less likely to represent you in the future, but you're less likely to walk away from it all on a technicality, even if you didn't do a damn thing. They'll convict you of resisting on an arrest that you didn't even get convicted of. And then you'll be the dumbass sitting behind bars saying "Well, I didn't bow to my enemies!"

And then you'll bend over for Big Bubba and he'll make you his woman.

The choice is clear for me, you do what you want, but when the cops come, I know what I was taught, and I'm sticking to it.

You should read Rules for Radicals. Good book about working within the system against the system. Working within the bounds of the law to protest, to change the status quo, to help those who need help.

There's a reason Timothy Leary is referred to as an "LSD activist," and Saul Alinsky was considered a "community organizer".

You say I disgust you, well, those of us who are interested in actually changing things and not throwing teenage temper tantrums at the police are disgusted by you, and what a bad name you give people like us, who oppose through more effective means than screaming and refusing to move from the floor. It worked when you were three, but it won't work after that, and definitely not on a pig. There are some special holds they teach LEOs just to use on "nonviolent resistors" and I guarantee you don't want a "milk mustache" or a lymphnode yank, both accepted and legal and non-injuring ways to get you off the floor with as little damage as possible.

Work within the system. Change ideas, don't reinforce the negative attitudes people already have of the counterculture community or whatever community you consider yourself a part of. Otherwise, you're just bitching and moaning in a different way, and you're fucking up the work that others have been laying down for years, which is actually effective versus your method.

Next time I get pulled over, I'll enjoy the drive away from the scene of my LEO contact knowing I did things right. You will probably end up in a cop car, and I guarantee you, with a conviction for resisting. Have fun with that, kid.


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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Humility]
    #14451854 - 05/14/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Humility said:
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Mush 4 Brains said:
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Humility said:
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1) Comply. Seriously, even if the pig is asking you to do some dumb shit, or being a dick. Just shut up, do what he says, don't give him any reasons to do anything stupid.





You speak like a slave.

You disgust me.

Enjoy the last grains of freedom that remain in your hourglass.



:lol: You're right you should make things worse for yourself by throwing a tantrum.  That'll show em you're no slave.  Think very carefully whats worth it and what inst-"is that the hill i want to die on?"  Reminds me of a buddy of mine who cant keep his mouth shut, and more than once got taken in rather than just getting a ticket and going on his way.  If you're indeed innocent, being belligerent is not going to help your case.





I'd sooner be tortured, cut limb from limb while standing tall than to kiss the feet of evil on my knees.

Ras lives within I and the I doesn't abide evil.

I love you brother; but evil must be rebuked, not coddled and nurtured.



You seem to speak from the heart, which is admirable.  I personally have very important people in my life who depend on me and i wouldn't let my attitude and beliefs get me in jail where i would do them no good.  Thats why i feel," make sure its the hill you want to die on."

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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14451970 - 05/14/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'll tell you what, I had a minute to think about this on the drive home.

If you give a cop lip, attitude, resist arrest, or generally be a dick, especially if the cop gave you reason to do so, then you are playing directly into that cops trap. He's counting on your attitude to get a conviction, he's counting on you resisting, especially if he's of the douchebag variety.

If you identify yourself, refuse a search, comply with instruction without speaking more than you need to, you're FIGHTING him. You're fighting him on a battleground he did not know you were even aware of. You are ridding him of valuable evidence, time, and testimony. You are fucking his case before it even begins.

Or, you can lay on the ground and scream "I'm not resisting," get arrested for resisting anyways (as well as have your shit fucked up by one of the aforementioned holds designed to defeat passive resistance, which is still resistance) and make his day, as well as his case.

I might not be the all-powerful invisible man that lives inside your colon, but even I have to admit that the choice is a clear one, if you're intending to make a statement AND get away with it.

Who is the slave, the man walking around free to make his own decisions? Or the man behind bars getting three hots and a cot while he wears chains and labors for the very people who imprisoned him?

Edit: Here's a Shroomery thread with more info about dealing with police/arrests. I'm going to stop talking before someone locks the thread, because it's not my job to pound this into your heads, it was yours. And that means I didn't fail, you did. Doing the things we discuss on this site without knowing how to deal with the consequences is stupid, be it breaking the law without knowing how to do it right, or taking a drug you haven't researched.


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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14452476 - 05/14/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mush -

I'm partially (primarily?) Buddhist and I firmly believe against attaching oneself to earthly phenomenon.

Especially those that would cause you to revoke, or tip-toe around your convictions.

It is debilitating.


Guy - You've made myriad incorrect assumptions.  So many that I can't even begin to address them individually (given my limited time).

Suffice it to say, emotional involvement in a situation is never ideal.  All actions should come from a place of equanimity.

You and I most closely agree when it comes to remaining silent when engaged by the police.


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Re: Man busted for growing mushrooms...Shiitake mushrooms. [Re: Humility]
    #14452923 - 05/14/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Another angle on this:  Should you find yourself in the position of watching a d-bust going down, the one being busted happening to be someone near and dear to you,  you may feel compelled to give the arresting officers a piece of your mind.

Do not.  When the person that got busted is in court, so too will be the arresting officers.  And if, by offering only a snippet of what you said, and out of context at that, the officer is able to provide more compelling evidence towards a conviction, he will do so.

It IS hard to do, and it feels wrong sometimes, but silence truly is golden here.

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