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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Doc_T]
    #14448569 - 05/13/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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180? Shoot, you can go a lot higher than that without damaging the magic.



I use boiling water for my tea and trip balls off that... If heat damages potency, I havn't noticed...


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14448574 - 05/13/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nobody has ever posted any link to any evidence of any damage at less than the melting point, about 180C / 350F.


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14448580 - 05/13/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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civicracerx7 said:
interesting I didnt knwo WHEN you harvest them affected potency
I usually wait until I know for sur ethey arent getting any bigger

its maybe a day day and a half after veil breaks and spores drop :-0

and yes I leave them in the dehydrator for at least a day and half to get full cracker dry

damn I might have to make some adjustments in light of this new information




Harvest just before the veil breaks for maximum potency

Also, I'd recommend investing a dehydrator that has a temp gauge. I put mine up as high as it goes, 145 F...Cracker in 12 hours...



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I use a regular dehydrator, cracker dry in 5-8 hours, and they are potent as hell :raveface:

:winning:




I've never complained about mine nor have my friends that trip w/ me...I've left them in the dehydrator @ 145 for 12 hours to 36 hours...all the same effect.

Negative effects on tripping:

1. Sugars in stomach (alcohol especially)
2. Set & setting
3. Food in stomach (watch the carbs/sugars)
4. Potency of ps. cubes.



(oops, that increases the effect of ps.)5. Citric acid Addition to ingestion of ps. cubes.


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14448586 - 05/13/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yea...

OP - I bet you're using MS for inoculation as well...there's absolutely no way to judge off that. 1 mushroom (in the same batch) will be 1.5 potent (let's call 1 the standard) & the 2 mush (from the same batch as 1) will be .7 potent...That's just how it goes, which is why we iso



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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14449066 - 05/14/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i use the alton brown dehydrator best imo no heat cool dry air ftw perfect preservation




why is everyone SOOOOO against heat?! Don't go above 180 & you're fine...check these teks...



http://www.shroomery.org/11113/Dionysian-Wine
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12976998#12976998

http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/10453.shtml?ID=10453

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5970038#5970038

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9179345#9179345

I know lots of TCs use heat up to 160 to dry their mushis via a dehydrator. Get off the heat aspect. It's fresh vs. dried & all the reasons I put above.

02 is bad. vacu-seal immediately (or as quickly as you can) upon cracker dry & store in a dark temp controlled area.:2cents:



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o2 is bad.

the "blue" you see on them is the active chemicals  oxidizing. thats why they say store in a air tight container


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14449958 - 05/14/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i believe yal guys but id rather be safe then sorry


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14449961 - 05/14/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing wrong with making that choice from a position of knowledge, rather than uncertainty. :thumbup:


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Doc_T]
    #14450783 - 05/14/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good to know...  I thought I had read that the active agents started to breakdown at something like 105degF???  I'll have to research this a bit more. Information definitely worth knowing (either way you look at it).

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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14450861 - 05/14/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Good to know...  I thought I had read that the active agents started to breakdown at something like 105degF???  I'll have to research this a bit more. Information definitely worth knowing (either way you look at it).

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the melting point is like 350 Fahrenheit i think


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: k00laid]
    #14451117 - 05/14/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The melting point for psilocybin crystals (from water) is 220-228°C (428-442°F). From ethanol, the melting point is lowered to 185-195°C (365-383°F). Psilocin melts at 173-176°C (343-348°F), and baeocystin has a melting point of 254-258°C (489-496°F). 

(according to Erowid/Merck Index)

Like others have said, oxidation is the main enemy. Especially to psilocin. The oxidation process is accelerated by high temperatures though. There isn't really a specific temperature where the breakdown occurs, but the longer the alkaloids are exposed to higher temperatures in the presence of O2, the more the alkaloids will be degraded.

Now that being said, Erowid also makes this claim:

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To my knowledge, there has been no study or report of anyone quantifying the amount of degradation at various temperatures. Qualitative reports however seem to indicate that less than an hour of boiling or steeping seems to have little to no effect on the potency of psiloc(yb)in water solution.



I can't help but agree, in my experience. I make tea with boiling water every time I dose and I've never seen a loss in potency. I also dry my mushrooms at 125-130°F in a dehydrator for 24-36 hours. Again, I've never noticed a drop in potency. :shrug:


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: k00laid]
    #14451180 - 05/14/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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the "blue" you see on them is the active chemicals  oxidizing. thats why they say store in a air tight container




are you talking about bruising? i thought this was caused by spores which contain no active chemicals and are no indication of potency

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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
    #14451193 - 05/14/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

we dont really know why it bruises just yet.

but its not because of the spores, thats something else.


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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Boozie]
    #14451206 - 05/14/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Luger0815]
    #14451277 - 05/14/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Like others have said....its most likely because of multi spore....you would need an isolate to really test...

def. not the heat with the temps yer dehydrator can pull off...one of my favorite ways to eat them is saute them in a nice hot pan with some butter and garlic....add to some pasta.....mmmm.....and about 30min later :rocket::mushroom2::crazy2:

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