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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14446896 - 05/13/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We haven't had a good Soylent Green reference in like 3 years. I must find a way to work that in here somehow.





how about "its made of VEGANS!"


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14447069 - 05/13/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I agree.  We use way too much corn feed and high-fructose corn syrup.  Down with corn!  Corn is murder!




Let's go back in time to when men lived to be 35 years old. That was way more natural.




The only moral path we can choose is to revert back to small hunter-gatherer societies. :lol:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744] * 1
    #14448134 - 05/13/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OK, you first.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14448948 - 05/14/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wrong. The only moral path is for everyone to voluntarily kill themselves, so that the earth can continue on without human intervention. How do we get everyone to kill themselves? First, make everyone eat nothing but vegetables. Then, take away all our worldly possessions, especially the ones that use electricity. After that, sterilize everyone who fails an IQ test, then sterilize everyone who objects to the sterilizations, and then everyone else. Finally, give everyone guns and a copy of the Denial of Death by Ernest Becker. Should do the trick, if it doesn't then one hour of uninterrupted conversation with whoever is left should do it.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: xFrockx]
    #14449197 - 05/14/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And then the Earth would be all pissed like, "Damn, it took me 3.5 billion years to create the pinnacle of biological machines and there was a glitch in the software. Now I have been set back at least 250 million years!"
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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14449211 - 05/14/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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One of the most direct and devastating forms of environmentally destructive consumption by the rich is found in the practice of meat eating. As societies become more affluent, the rate at which they consume meat tends to increase sharply. Unfortunately, eating meat is generally an environmentally destructive practice, because “meat is a roundabout and energy inefficient way to get nutrients to the human population” .

The sobering fact is that to produce “one kilo of edible meat product” requires the use of “around thirteen kilograms of feed grains” resulting in a huge burden on land use. This enormous use of land results in biodiversity loss and other “environmental losses associated with the industrial production of feed grains and livestock” such as eutrophication and the resulting destruction of marine life.

In essence, the diet-related ecological footprint of a meat eater is probably as much as thirteen times higher than that of a vegan or vegetarian, and each kilo of meat eaten by those wealthy enough to afford it could have provided food for thirteen hungry humans instead.




Why are vegans/vagitarians so holier than thou? Im gonna make a huge ecological footprint and poop out my Porterhouse steak into it. :themoreyouknow:

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449235 - 05/14/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nah not really.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: xFrockx]
    #14449251 - 05/14/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If we were gone who would defend the Earth from the coming Mantoid invasion? We are like white blood cells.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449256 - 05/14/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The mantoids would just destroy themselves eventually.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: xFrockx]
    #14449258 - 05/14/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

After fucking up the environment?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449319 - 05/14/11 02:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but not before they try to become vegans and control their population with involuntary sterilization in vain. Ever see a mantoid without carrion and successful copulation? Not fucking happy.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: xFrockx]
    #14449498 - 05/14/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"I can kill 'cause in God I trust"- Eddy Vedder


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: broken]
    #14449698 - 05/14/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone brought up the concept of PASTURED meat yet?  Do all these vegetarians/vegans realize that not raising meat on pasture is a giant waste of resources.  Humans cant eat grass or trees, but ruminants can.  Most crops cannot be grown on grass land, but animals can.  Furthermore, a proper permaculture farm is extremely efficient in recycling plant wastes to animals and animal wastes to plants.  All the vegans would rather use pesticides than use chickens and ducks to keep out insect pests.  Because letting the chickens and ducks eat all those tasty insects in a safe environment is so cruel.  We should use tons of chemical fertilizers to put on our fields because I feel bad taking the cows poop!

Our monocrop oil intensive farming is destroying the planet.  Animals are in fact a way out of this problem, the can restore topsoil and produce meat from grass.  We need to be efficient in our use of small farms with pasture.

Lastly, I laughed really hard when you guys were saying that only indigenous should eat meat, and it is bad for us because we do it inhumanely.

Look how humanely this indigenous Australian killed this kangaroo.



Only difference here being these guys know they need to kill other life to survive them self, and are thankful to the animal for its life.  People today have no respect for their food, they don't give thanks to the dead organisms that make them live.  They try to skirt the fact by not killing anything, rather than embracing the circle of life and trying to keep your ecosystem in check rather than choosing animals as better than the rest of the earth because of your animal centric view point.


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Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14449709 - 05/14/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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they don't give thanks to the dead organisms that make them live




Why do you perceive this as desirable? Will a dead animal understand and appreciate my English words of gratitude?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449850 - 05/14/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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they don't give thanks to the dead organisms that make them live




Why do you perceive this as desirable? Will a dead animal understand and appreciate my English words of gratitude?




Who said that English words were spoken.  I just mean acknowledging that you are taking your life to sustain your own and being respectful of the organisms that do it for you.  I think it makes a lot more sense to thanks the cow I am eating for its flesh than some imaginary man in the sky who had nothing to do with it getting there.

In my opinion, if you are more respectful of the food you eat, it is more likely that you will be getting food that was respectful to the environment in its production.

This is just my personal opinion though.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14449867 - 05/14/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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  I think it makes a lot more sense to thanks the cow I am eating for its flesh than some imaginary man in the sky who had nothing to do with it getting there.






It makes no sense whatsoever to thank a dead animal in any language or even silently.

Do you thanks plants for every single breath of oxygen you take? Do you thank the sun 24 hours a day for providing warmth and energy?

I am fairly certain that the sun will shine whether appreciated or unappreciated.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449886 - 05/14/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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  I think it makes a lot more sense to thanks the cow I am eating for its flesh than some imaginary man in the sky who had nothing to do with it getting there.






It makes no sense whatsoever to thank a dead animal in any language or even silently.

Do you thanks plants for every single breath of oxygen you take? Do you thank the sun 24 hours a day for providing warmth and energy?

I am fairly certain that the sun will shine whether appreciated or unappreciated.




It makes no sense to be grateful for what makes you live?  Maybe to you it doesn't, but it makes a lot of sense to me to appreciate what keeps me alive. whether it, or you, cares, I don't give a shit.  I am thankful for my life, simple as that.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14449894 - 05/14/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Let us all now bow our heads and thank our intestinal bacteria for keeping us alive. Be sure to give thanks to each individual bacterium.

Amen.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14449936 - 05/14/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Let us all now bow our heads and thank our intestinal bacteria for keeping us alive. Be sure to give thanks to each individual bacterium.

Amen.




haha, well..

I eat lots of nice pro/pre-biotics to keep em healthy.  Improper gut bacteria is implicated in many diseases.  I am very thankful for all my bacteria.  They help keep my immune system strong too.  Symbiosis ftw!

I also respect them by not eating meat with antibiotics or using antibiotic soaps (soap is already anti-microbial ffs).

And I am thankful for the plants and sun...


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And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.




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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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