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Should the Government regulate drugs?
    #14448942 - 05/14/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Say they came up with a pretty sweet product line of all the popular hard drugs, clean speed, clean heroin, etc. and sold it in stores.  Basically eliminating reducing bathtub concoctions and whatnot.

But most people wouldn't just go for this, too liberal. So I was thinking that if they imposed a permit with certain requirements. It's issued by a doctor on a yearly basis to make sure your not getting too strung out, maybe even have a yearly drug awareness program you have to attend, but somehow make it pretty easy to get. Then, to keep tabs on people, they could flag your account if your buying too much. I think most people (should) agree that doing too much of drug is generally not a good thing. Anyway, at the next buy the clerk tells you that's the last time till you call some phone number that goes to a drug counselor, where they can impose a limit and maybe require you to get checked by your doctor. You'd also need daily limits to keep everyone from becoming drug dealers, and make it so that the people who buy excessively have to pay a heavy fine so that the black market has to charge so much you would just want to get a permit. You'd also have to be inconvenienced by buying your stuff daily, maybe get set up on a weekly program or something after awhile.

I think it's time that we change the way we think about drugs, and by making them a regulated product where people have access to clean drugs purchased in a safe environment. I wonder how many crimes it would prevent from shady dealers, or shady buyers. Or how many people who already do harder drugs would be at less of a risk. It'd create a lot of jobs and earn revenue rather than cost money to enforce drug laws. They could also impose heavy fines on independent dealers.

I dunno, it's a start


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14448949 - 05/14/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IMO I'd rather a free market but id take government regulated drugs over the current regime if they'd produce quality product.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14448953 - 05/14/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think I would want the government tracking me more then they already do. :shrug:


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: sjfrockerdude]
    #14448957 - 05/14/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

something about 'government regulated drugs' would feel weird.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14448959 - 05/14/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I saw a documentary special in I want to say switzerland but I'm not 100% sure which country, heroin addicts for example can get a prescription for pharmaceutical grade diacetylmorphine and are given a safe injection site, it's greatly increased the ability of junkies to lead productive lives, many come in before work to get their shot.

I'm of the opinion that you should be able to alter your consciousness without having to be approved by the government or a doctor, but I still think it's a step in the right direction so big ups switzerland.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: sjfrockerdude]
    #14448976 - 05/14/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it's the price you pay for a quality product. you get drug awareness and doctor approval. When your doctor tells you to quit, maybe you should.  the only way to get it passed is to impose limits, create a huge industry around it with many jobs. Of course, you could always risk the current drug laws on unregulated materials if you decide not to be 'tracked'. Good luck getting rid of those laws any time soon. if there is a way to circumvent laws, and actually pay a yearly fee to use drugs, rather than risk jail time and fines then i say it's a viable option


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14448985 - 05/14/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You could also create special drug stores where you could meet cool heads :yesnod:


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14448993 - 05/14/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

makes me think of the "old bull" character in kerouac's on the road, based on william s burroughs...he's this old junkie that's always reminiscing about the good old days when you could buy morphine over the counter.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron] * 1
    #14448999 - 05/14/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The government should not exist


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron] * 1
    #14449003 - 05/14/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The ONLY purpose the founders of this country set up our government to do is to PROTECT OUR LIBERTY!! Not to invade and occupy foreign countries, and coddle the world. And most certainly not to try to regulate our personal habits!!!
    There is NO authority set in the writings of the constitution for the government to ban anything at all.
2 words: States Rights.
It should rightly be the states jurisdiction to regulate, drugs and ban sales to children, not adults who originally had the right in this country to pretty much do as we wished. You should be able to do anything you want to, just as long as you dont infringe upon civil rights of others. Thats how the penners of the constitution planned it out. The government should stay out of most things, but my personal habits are my business, not some rich asshole's on capitol hill.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Pigasus]
    #14449008 - 05/14/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fact: a certain percentage of the population will do drugs. you might even be able to reduce that by awareness.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Luman]
    #14449028 - 05/14/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The government should not exist




that's phony bologna. a government is much needed. We might not have it perfect, but it serves a purpose.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Luman]
    #14449029 - 05/14/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think I would want the government tracking me more then they already do. :shrug:



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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Charliem]
    #14449042 - 05/14/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Johnny ate too much aspirin

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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Konyap]
    #14449139 - 05/14/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No no no no no

The only thing the govt should be doing to prevent drug abuse is a campaign of logical education.

Everyone would know how to responsibly use drugs. If they ignore this, fuck em.

Keep the government out of my life. I don't want them making ANY decisions for me.

Freedom is of the utmost importance. Let those weak enough to kill themselves with drugs die, while the strong and free live on in happiness.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: propensity]
    #14449145 - 05/14/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No no no no no

The only thing the govt should be doing to prevent drug abuse is a campaign of logical education.




The government shouldn't even be THAT involved!


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14449151 - 05/14/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

bad baby bad baby bad baby

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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Konyap]
    #14449153 - 05/14/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bad baby bad baby bad baby

save your soul


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Konyap]
    #14449230 - 05/14/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The most they should have a hand in is unbiased public education about the dangers and health concerns, quality control on suppliers and businesses that sell and a national age for use. That would be the best scenario in my opinion.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Dr. Myco]
    #14449247 - 05/14/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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The most they should have a hand in is non-biased public education about the dangers and health concerns, quality control on suppliers and businesses that sell and a national ge for use. That would be the best scenario in my opinion.




The best scenario would be the government getting out of our personal lives/habits. They have one function: to protect liberty, in all forms, NOT to limit and regulate it!!!


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14449284 - 05/14/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if they learned how to regulate themselves first..


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14449289 - 05/14/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I hope that means that the family would be expected to inform their children of the positive and negative effects of different kinds of drugs that they will inevitably come across at some point in an anarchist society?


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14449294 - 05/14/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe they can help with some things similar to how they do with alcohol and cigarettes but there needs to be some form of regulation just this current one is not the way to go.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Dr. Myco]
    #14449302 - 05/14/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I heard a drop of pure nicotine would kill you instantly...

So if they just released drugs weaker then that


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Luman]
    #14449324 - 05/14/11 02:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I hope that means that the family would be expected to inform their children of the positive and negative effects of different kinds of drugs that they will inevitably come across at some point in an anarchist society?




Yes, because its not the governments role. Read the Constitution, you'll be fucking pissed at what our gov does thats unconstitutional. Pretty much 99% of what government does is illegal.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14449354 - 05/14/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Really, it cant get ANY simpler than this: The ONLY thing government is for is to protect our freedoms. Thats it.


We should all pay 10% tax and thats it. Dont ask the government for shit! youre on your own. True freedom is self reliance. I dont need to be coddled and have my hand held. I dont need a group of people decide what i can and cannot put in MY body. I dont need my world censored and labeled. Just protect my liberty and leave me the fuck alone!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: propensity]
    #14450173 - 05/14/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No no no no no

The only thing the govt should be doing to prevent drug abuse is a campaign of logical education.

Everyone would know how to responsibly use drugs. If they ignore this, fuck em.

Keep the government out of my life. I don't want them making ANY decisions for me.

Freedom is of the utmost importance. Let those weak enough to kill themselves with drugs die, while the strong and free live on in happiness.




unfortunately on a societal level there are many drawbacks to drugs, like when the tweeker down the street steals your car stereo.  How do you just say fuck em, let's just ignore them and expect them to stop jacking shit out of desperation? drug abuse does affect us all.  Yes, in an ideal situations you wouldn't need regulation, but on such a large scale it starts having negative social consequences that must be addressed to preserve the liberty of the rest of the people in the country.

also who's to say the government has to be running it, they could allow independent contractors to fulfill various roles with expiring files after a year or two.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14450186 - 05/14/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We have been having this conversation in like 10 different threads, this month only...


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14450199 - 05/14/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe they should monitor some legalize others and put a war on others pot shrooms legalize and monitor heroin coke ban and berth put a war on thats my opinion but a lot of studies showthat in spite what you think drugs not only affect you but others around you do what you want to your self but don't put your family in it


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: mishiskit]
    #14450212 - 05/14/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

myself I'm not into heron or coke I've seem the affects of it though on alot of close ones but people should ggave the right to do what they want  people


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    #14450217 - 05/14/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14451810 - 05/14/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Really, it cant get ANY simpler than this: The ONLY thing government is for is to protect our freedoms. Thats it.


We should all pay 10% tax and thats it. Dont ask the government for shit! youre on your own. True freedom is self reliance. I dont need to be coddled and have my hand held. I dont need a group of people decide what i can and cannot put in MY body. I dont need my world censored and labeled. Just protect my liberty and leave me the fuck alone!!!!!!!!!!!!




youre all missing the point. THE point is there is NO authority in the Constitution for the Federal Government to make laws of this nature. They have perverting and distorting the meaning of the Constitution for so long they have you believing they have this authority. They dont. They have you believing its their job to protect you, and thats what they want..a scared easily controlled population that will just accept their word as truth...blindly being led down the path of opression, and ever shrinking personal liberties.
The government does VERY FEW things right, those of you who think the government knows whats best for each and every one of us is a fool, and to support ANY kind of regulation set forth by this government that goes against the Constitution(most do) is to give them leeway to further meddle in our personal lives. Gov't will constantly try to spoon feed you bullshit, to bend you to their will, that doesnt mean you have to swallow it!!
Wake up read your Constitution!!!


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14451948 - 05/14/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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thelivingfreekshow said:
Really, it cant get ANY simpler than this: The ONLY thing government is for is to protect our freedoms. Thats it.


We should all pay 10% tax and thats it. Dont ask the government for shit! youre on your own. True freedom is self reliance. I dont need to be coddled and have my hand held. I dont need a group of people decide what i can and cannot put in MY body. I dont need my world censored and labeled. Just protect my liberty and leave me the fuck alone!!!!!!!!!!!!




youre all missing the point. THE point is there is NO authority in the Constitution for the Federal Government to make laws of this nature. They have perverting and distorting the meaning of the Constitution for so long they have you believing they have this authority. They dont. They have you believing its their job to protect you, and thats what they want..a scared easily controlled population that will just accept their word as truth...blindly being led down the path of opression, and ever shrinking personal liberties.
The government does VERY FEW things right, those of you who think the government knows whats best for each and every one of us is a fool, and to support ANY kind of regulation set forth by this government that goes against the Constitution(most do) is to give them leeway to further meddle in our personal lives. Gov't will constantly try to spoon feed you bullshit, to bend you to their will, that doesnt mean you have to swallow it!!
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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14452023 - 05/14/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No no no no no

The only thing the govt should be doing to prevent drug abuse is a campaign of logical education.




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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Yacub]
    #14452072 - 05/14/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I encourage ANY AND ALL to debate me on this. I cant lose, I have the CONSTITUTION on MY side!:thumbup::thumbup::themoreyouknow:


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14452199 - 05/14/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, those gosh darn government regulations. Who needs food safety regulations and building codes anyway?


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    #14452214 - 05/14/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I encourage ANY AND ALL to debate me on this. I cant lose, I have the CONSTITUTION on MY side!:thumbup::thumbup::themoreyouknow:




Yeah, the government needed to get a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw alcohol, and I don't recall any amendment giving them the authority to outlaw marijuana or any other drug.

However, it may be a moot topic since "our" government has been operating outside of the Constitution for almost a century now, and they ignore the few things that the Constitution doesrequire them to do.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14454185 - 05/14/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, those gosh darn government regulations. Who needs food safety regulations and building codes anyway?


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14454212 - 05/14/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

NO with complete failure of this so called drug war they should just end this and let free trade of drugs happen. of course not over night create a schedule and slowly start legalizing shit


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    #14454235 - 05/14/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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NO with complete failure of this so called drug war they should just end this and let free trade of drugs happen. of course not over night create a schedule and slowly start legalizing shit




Yes but it shouldnt stop or start at drugs...free trade period


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14454302 - 05/15/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i understand that complete freedom would be nice, but it's not a realistic goal any time soon. There would have to be a few steps in that direction for it to happen, and if we choose to regulate it first we could start heading that way.  you generally need to adapt plans slowly to stabilize the economy--instantly jails and police, would loose funding and many people would be out of employment for example. too rapid of change is too close to a revolution.


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    #14454318 - 05/15/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i understand that complete freedom would be nice, but it's not a realistic goal any time soon. There would have to be a few steps in that direction for it to happen, and if we choose to regulate it first we could start heading that way.  you generally need to adapt plans slowly to stabilize the economy--instantly jails and police, would loose funding and many people would be out of employment for example. too rapid of change is too close to a revolution.





Thats what we need is a revolution...no other way will work. Do you really think the gov will give up their power willingly?:lolsy: No, sir. We are going to have to take it!


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14454371 - 05/15/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that's what i'm saying, the more rapidly the change the more resistance you will get. We have to cut them at the knees first then the revolution will follow.


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Re: Should the Government regulate drugs? [Re: Phychotron]
    #14454399 - 05/15/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well a good start would be electing Ron Paul President.
Every other candidate is a corporate puppet.


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    #14454557 - 05/15/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

maybe but at least we have medical marijuana in some states

you cant tell me there's anyplace less corrupt


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maybe but at least we have medical marijuana in some states

you cant tell me there's anyplace less corrupt




What is that supposed to mean?:shrug:


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    #14454634 - 05/15/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This will never happen, because of politics. They need enemies to get elected. If not foreign countries and WMD's, it's drugs. There are a million more points as to why it won't happen, but that's a major one.


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This will never happen, because of politics. They need enemies to get elected. If not foreign countries and WMD's, it's drugs. There are a million more points as to why it won't happen, but that's a major one.




If it will never happen it will be because of attitudes like this.:thumbdown: We have to MAKE it happen.


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