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Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible?
#14448612 - 05/13/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I posted another thread on my first PF Tek grow that I am trying to follow to a T. However my unlucky ass was only able to acquire 1/4 pint canning jars . I do have a theory however have a theory. Less area, less substrate, less colonization time, less risk of contamination. However this could be just mildly relative and have some truth (or none at all) but the difference could be minimal at best. RR, somebody competent, any trusted cultivator or some one who knows what the hell they are talking about give me a heads up please I am posting a separate post just on this question (please forgive me mods and long time members alike if I am going above and beyond but I am sterilizing my cakes now and proceeding forward and I would really like to know if I am destined for gore or glory! Hope some one answers soon I'm kinda freaking out.... and not in a good way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
#14448619 - 05/13/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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1/4 pints work just fine man, you can relax
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14448666 - 05/13/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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slapphappypill said: 1/4 pints work just fine man, you can relax 
Yep you will be fine.
Shit it could even be better in a way, Quicker colonization?
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: lucas_southoz]
#14448688 - 05/13/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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A little faster maybe, not any better. But yeah, they are fine. Better than regular mouth tall half pints, IMO.
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doc_T]
#14448705 - 05/13/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: A little faster maybe, not any better. But yeah, they are fine. Better than regular mouth tall half pints, IMO.
Doc, no offense bro, but i'm wanting to start kicking people in the nuts when they knock the tall half pints.... My F+ grow is ONLY the tall 1/2 pints and pints. I get great results!! I honestly do not feel that jar size or shape makes a single bit of difference (minus the tapered mouths on qt jars for grain spawn.)
It's 100% what is comfortable to the cultivator IME/O
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14448719 - 05/13/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had better results with widemouths. Most people that have compared will say the same. If you kick me, make sure you take me out with the first strike, you won't get a second one.
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doc_T]
#14448758 - 05/13/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks guys will get pics when i can steal my moms camera shouldn't be too hard... I am boiling em they're off the bottom on lid rings with foil on top and foil on the jars the water ran dry for a second though (no more than 5 min) the rice doesnt look burned in any way hope im still safe any body think i should be worried?
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: Doc_T]
#14448804 - 05/13/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I've had better results with widemouths. Most people that have compared will say the same. If you kick me, make sure you take me out with the first strike, you won't get a second one. 
I've only been able to find wide mouths locally for $13+, I can get the regular "jelly jars" for $7 almost everywhere, so I've never used the wide mouths. I'd have to say my avatar argues my point...
And if I ever were pissed off enough to kick someone in the nuts, they better hope that takes them out... Otherwise I'd hate to find out how I'd follow that up to keep them from getting back up 
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14449318 - 05/14/11 02:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The short 1/2 pint wide mouths are superior to the tall boys every day hands down......I feel like kicking someone in the balls when they say otherwise.
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14449363 - 05/14/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said: The short 1/2 pint wide mouths are superior to the tall boys every day hands down......I feel like kicking someone in the balls when they say otherwise.
out perform my tall 1/2 pint in my avatar, 6.5 grams dry and over 70 fruits
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14449973 - 05/14/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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slapphappypill said: It's 100% what is comfortable to the cultivator IME/O
The cultivator's comfort has nothing to do with it.
It's 100% about what is comfortable to the mycelium, and when it comes to using brown rice flour and vermiculite, jars should be wider than they are tall to avoid packing the substrate and to avoid oxygen starvation in the bottom of the jar. This is well established.
Anyone with outstanding pictures of cakes fruiting spectacularly from the wrong shape jars should post them, because I for one have never seen one.
Oh, and to the OP, a quick search will reveal some very nice 1/4 pint jar grows. RR
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14450632 - 05/14/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said: The short 1/2 pint wide mouths are superior to the tall boys every day hands down......I feel like kicking someone in the balls when they say otherwise.
out perform my tall 1/2 pint in my avatar, 6.5 grams dry and over 70 fruits
6.5 dry gs is an average half pint yield.
the fact of the matter is, the short ones will colonize the same volume of substrate faster. due to less compaction of the substrate, and superior gas exchange :/
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: k00laid]
#14450776 - 05/14/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: penhed]
#14451049 - 05/14/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I nocced up my jars today! I am going to borrow my mom's camera when they start to colonize. I made my own brf slightly chunky (the biggest pieces were about 2mm) And unfortunately I was only able to find the very fine horticultural verm and I added 2 tbs gypsum to the whole 10 jar batch. I think I put just a lil too much solution in my jars because I ran out with 2 syringes in 10 1/4 pt jars. (I hope that's a good thing) I wiped all my counters down after I began steaming my jars (the pot ran out of water once for about 2 min but the brf didn't look burned and the moisture content looked good from what I know and understand) and this morning when they were fully cooled i wiped all my counters down again with medical grade disinfectant. I dawned my gloves tucking them over my sprayed down long sleeve shirt and wiped my gloves down with germ-X and sprayed out a tub (my future SGFC) with my disinfectant and ran a lil alcohol through it too. I couldn't find the face masks I thought I bought so I sprayed down a bandana and used that instead. I flamed the needles between jars ans I would say I put about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 cc's in each jar (oops) and put them in the case they came in after spraying it down good with my disinfectant. It's in a cupboard slightly covered with a paper towel no foil or tape etc. Any questions comments or concerns?
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: k00laid]
#14454335 - 05/15/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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slapphappypill said: It's 100% what is comfortable to the cultivator IME/O
The cultivator's comfort has nothing to do with it.
It's 100% about what is comfortable to the mycelium, and when it comes to using brown rice flour and vermiculite, jars should be wider than they are tall to avoid packing the substrate and to avoid oxygen starvation in the bottom of the jar. This is well established.
Anyone with outstanding pictures of cakes fruiting spectacularly from the wrong shape jars should post them, because I for one have never seen one.
Oh, and to the OP, a quick search will reveal some very nice 1/4 pint jar grows. RR
      
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i GrOw StUFF said: The short 1/2 pint wide mouths are superior to the tall boys every day hands down......I feel like kicking someone in the balls when they say otherwise.
out perform my tall 1/2 pint in my avatar, 6.5 grams dry and over 70 fruits
6.5 dry gs is an average half pint yield.
the fact of the matter is, the short ones will colonize the same volume of substrate faster. due to less compaction of the substrate, and superior gas exchange :/
I didn't clarify, That was just the first flush... my 1/2 pints average 12-15 grams dry over 4 flushes
This cake was my 6.5 gram 1st flush, best so far:
I average 4.5-6.6 grams for a first flush with my cakes. I'm going to start adding gypsum and changing the substrate up a bit to try to further improve my cake yield as I've been able to keep them hydrated enough to go through fruiting.
I understand the idea behind using the short fat jars... However i'm more than happy with my results!
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14454388 - 05/15/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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damn dude...good job Those cakes look awesome
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thanks, those are both full pint cakes as well as the tall 1/2 pints
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14459910 - 05/15/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does anyone know weather or not exposing my cake jars to indirect sunlight now would speed up the colonization process I keep getting conflicting information on this one and I don't want to screw things up this early on...
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: babz89]
#14459961 - 05/15/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can and it might speed it up a little but its risky. there are contams responsive to sunlight, so your rollin the dice. Its not worth it if you ask me.
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Re: Help! PF TEK with 1/4 pints? Is it possible? [Re: mushiepussy] 1
#14460896 - 05/16/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My jars always get light while colonizing
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