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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: SuperD]
#14573915 - 06/07/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the fuck is the point in sending a bomb threat bot in after you just saw half the house and filled the guy with the gun with so many bullets? You're wearing full armor, why not just be a man and check the rooms?
I mean this happens, but this case is extremely grotesque.
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie]
#14619346 - 06/15/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tucson SWAT Team Cleared in Killing of Ex-Marine June 15, 2011 - Drug War Chronicle
The Pima County Sheriff's Department SWAT team that gunned down a former Marine in his Tucson home during a raid in which no drugs were found was cleared Tuesday of any wrongdoing in the incident. Jose Guerena, 26, died in a hail of bullets in his underwear in a hallway of his home as he responded gun in hand to his wife's report of armed intruders.
SWAT team members coming through his front door fired at least 70 rounds at Guerena, striking him at least 21 times. Guerena never fired a shot. The SWAT team prevented emergency medical teams from treating him for more than an hour. He was pronounced dead shortly thereafter at a local hospital.
Pima County Chief Criminal Deputy Attorney David Berkman said in a report issued Tuesday that the SWAT team members were justified in using deadly force because Guerena pointed his weapon at them.
"A close examination of the rifle revealed it appeared to have been damaged by being fired upon from such an angle that it must have been pointed toward officers," Berkman wrote. "The officers were mistaken in believing Mr. Guerena fired at them. However, when Mr. Guerena raised the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle in their direction, they needed to take immediate action to stop the deadly threat against them."
The report did not delve into how the SWAT team could mistakenly think it was being shot at, nor did it address the fact that no one has been arrested in the series of raids that took place the day Guerena was killed. Police found weapons and body armor in the ex-Marine's home, but those are legal items. The report also did not note the role that the choice to use SWAT when entering the home played in creating the situation.
In statements to investigators after the raid, SWAT team members said the raid on Guerena's home was part of a probe into "possible drug running, home invasions, and potential homicides."
But the only actual -- as opposed to potential -- killing has now been ruled not a homicide. Jose Guerena died at the intersection of Second Amendment rights and paramilitary policing. He isn't the first, and he certainly won't be the last.
Related: Pima County Attorney sides with SWAT in fatal raid - KGUN9
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie]
#14619622 - 06/15/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sick sick sick. We all knew they'd be cleared of any wrongdoing.
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The SWAT team prevented emergency medical teams from treating him for more than an hour. He was pronounced dead shortly thereafter at a local hospital.
All shooting aside, how the hell can they get away with this without reprimand?
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: SuperD]
#14619970 - 06/15/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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SuperD said: All shooting aside, how the hell can they get away with this without reprimand?
Because he pointed a gun at the police.
Any time you do that they will shoot you and be cleared of wrongdoing.
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#14620164 - 06/15/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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He's right anytime there is something looking like a gun pointed at police they have the right to shoot first and then ask questions second. I don't understand why they didn't get this guy some medical attention. As long as we have military style swat teams kicking in doors and police backing them up we are going to see more deaths.
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: gamer4life]
#14620995 - 06/16/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because he pointed a gun at the police.
Any time you do that they will shoot you and be cleared of wrongdoing.
Although this is factual it isn't logical.
The statement here seems to intimate that this individual committed aggression against police.
Instead he was awakened a few hours after being asleep and getting home from night shift. He thought a bunch of people were breaking in to his house.
Only one group of people thought he was pointing a gun at police.
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He's right anytime there is something looking like a gun pointed at police they have the right to shoot first and then ask questions second. I don't understand why they didn't get this guy some medical attention. As long as we have military style swat teams kicking in doors and police backing them up we are going to see more deaths.
That sounds absolutely fucking ridiculous. So if a little kid points an orange cap gun at a cop and goes "bang" the cop has the "right" to shoot first and ask questions second?
If what you are saying is that the cop is legally justified, I guess I can't argue with that, but then again a cop is legally justified to effect a violent and brutal arrest against someone that's in possession of cannabis.
I dunno; all of this is just a lot for me to handle. This has nothing to do with this guy pointing a gun at cops and everything to do with cops busting into his home in the dead of night/early morning.
They could have waited for him to leave in a car and pulled him over with weapons drawn if they figured he was a threat. Roll up on him at a red light.
Truth of the matter is, anyone that's a REAL threat, you're not going to barge into their house. You're going to catch them unawares in a place that will lead to you being able to use the least amount of force.
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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: Humility]
#14634834 - 06/18/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree that swat is used for all the wrong reasons. I just stated normal procedure for police. I don't care for them and I hope we can get Ron Paul in office in 2012 to end the fed and violent swat tactics.
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