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#14446822 - 05/13/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/cheerleader-loses-lawsuit-2011-5?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=sportspage
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The Supreme Court this week refused to hear the case of a teenage girl who was kicked off her cheerleading team after refusing to cheer for the boy who sexually assaulted her.
As a result, she now owes the school $45,000 in legal fees.
The girl, known only as MS, accused a fellow student of raping her at a party. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge to avoid jail time and was allowed to return to school and the basketball team.
She continued to cheer for the team during games, but refused to shout the boy's name or clap for him when he shot free throws. When the superintendent discovered what she was doing, she was kicked off the team.
She sued the Texas school, arguing that her free speech rights had been violated, but two courts ruled that as a cheerleader she speaks for the school, not herself, and did not have the right to refuse.
A federal appeals court upheld the ruling and ordered her to pay court costs for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheerleader-loses-lawsuit-2011-5?utm_source=twbutton&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=sportspage#ixzz1MGQgpZGL
I don't understand what their basis is for calling this lawsuit frivolous.
Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
There's just nothing right about this at all.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14446869 - 05/13/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does being on the team have to do with the criminal case? What exactly do you think that people who have served their time shouldn't be able to do? (Note that this is a completely separate argument from whether his sentence was sufficient or not)
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
#14446921 - 05/13/11 06:06 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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I think this student should not have been allowed to be on this team.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14446970 - 05/13/11 06:15 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Do you think it should be school policy to not allow anyone with a criminal record on the school's basketball team?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447062 - 05/13/11 06:33 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I think this student should not have been allowed to be on this team.
If he really was guilty, then I agree. But I would have that be a function of him still being locked up, not "you're free and your debt is paid, but you cant play basketball and we are going to publicly shame you".
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
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ChuangTzu said: Do you think it should be school policy to not allow anyone with a criminal record on the school's basketball team?
Why are you trying to make a blanket hypothetical situation out of a specific actual situation?
Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447220 - 05/13/11 07:03 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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I've heard about this before, and it makes me sick. I think people should take rape a lot more seriously.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes] 1
#14447246 - 05/13/11 07:08 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Don't be silly.
Boys will be boys, you know.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447283 - 05/13/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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... and did not have the right to refuse.
Refuse to cheer? Or refuse the forceful sex of some jack off meat head?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447332 - 05/13/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: Do you think it should be school policy to not allow anyone with a criminal record on the school's basketball team?
Why are you trying to make a blanket hypothetical situation out of a specific actual situation?
Because everyone deserves equal protection under the law. And the treatment of specific students should be according to policy which is applied equally to everyone.
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Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?
No, of course not.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447413 - 05/13/11 07:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?
Not to mention, he was only convicted of misdemeanor assault, not rape of any kind. I'd expect a line like that from someone like annapurna...
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The girl, known only as MS, accused a fellow student of raping her at a party. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge to avoid jail time and was allowed to return to school and the basketball team.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14447691 - 05/13/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?
Not to mention, he was only convicted of misdemeanor assault, not rape of any kind. I'd expect a line like that from someone like annapurna...
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The girl, known only as MS, accused a fellow student of raping her at a party. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge to avoid jail time and was allowed to return to school and the basketball team.
I was just playing answer a stupid question with a stupid question.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14447873 - 05/13/11 08:49 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: I was just playing answer a stupid question with a stupid question.
Fun stuff, huh?

What exactly was dumb about it? What policy do you think should have been in place to prevent that guy from playing basketball? If not a blanket ban on everyone with a criminal history, then what would you propose? Everyone with an assault record should be banned? Or maybe anyone who has ever been accused of rape? If the school had tried to prevent him from playing basketball for any reason that they wouldn't apply to everyone else in the school equally, I'd say that he would be the one justified in filing a suit.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does being on the team have to do with the criminal case? What exactly do you think that people who have served their time shouldn't be able to do? (Note that this is a completely separate argument from whether his sentence was sufficient or not)
umm, so if i go to your house, and assault a family member of yours, when i get out of jail 5 years later i should be able to play soccer on your street in front of your house like nothing happened?
i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm asking a serious question in a completely hypothetical sense
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14449207 - 05/14/11 01:40 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't understand what their basis is for calling this lawsuit frivolous.
It is frivolous because even taking the well-plead factual allegations to be true, the law does not provide for the relief requested (nor is their a sufficient argument for the creation of new law). When you file a case with a prayer for relief that is not legally available on the basis of the facts, it is a waste of time.
The fundamental legal question is whether someone who has voluntarily joined and served on a government group has a first amendment right to refrain from expressing views for the government that they disagree with. The related question is whether someone who fails to cheer as directed by the government due to personal feelings, and thereby has their invitation to the group retracted, has had their civil rights violated.
The law is clear that you do not have the right to speak your mind when voluntarily operating as a government agent.
Had the school retracted their invitation due to conduct outside of school, such as telling the world about how the boy raped her, or even prevented her from speaking about the matter during the school day when speech of a different viewpoint is allowed, I would agree their would be a case.
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does that have to do with anything?
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the (Note that this is a completely separate argument from whether his sentence was sufficient or not)
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: johnm214]
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does that have to do with anything?
Define "anything".
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: imachavel]
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does being on the team have to do with the criminal case? What exactly do you think that people who have served their time shouldn't be able to do? (Note that this is a completely separate argument from whether his sentence was sufficient or not)
umm, so if i go to your house, and assault a family member of yours, when i get out of jail 5 years later i should be able to play soccer on your street in front of your house like nothing happened?
i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm asking a serious question in a completely hypothetical sense
Why shouldn't you be able to play soccer? Is that how you guys really view the law, serve your time and then get out and be a free man except you are not allowed to play organized sports at some arbitrary distance from your victims? Sounds like you are just making it up as you go, which is no way to run a legal system.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
#14450332 - 05/14/11 09:58 AM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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She would have been better off filing for a restraining order.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Stein]
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Stein said: She would have been better off filing for a restraining order.
I'm sure there's more to the case than what this article covers. Still, I'm pretty sure somebody needs to be punched in the dick for being an asshat on this.
BTW, http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/05/03/supreme-court-denies-appeal-of-cheerleader-who-refused-to-cheer-for-player-who-assaulted-her/
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The specific cheer was: “Two, four, six, eight, ten, come on, Rakheem, put it in.”
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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This is a pretty good recap.
1. She was not "fined". She was ordered to pay court costs for bringing a frivolous lawsuit. Which it was. Fucking assholes who sue over every perceived slight are fucking this country up. She should now sue the piece of shit in civil court. THAT is a justifiable lawsuit. In the interests of justice she should sue for exactly $45,000. 2. The piece of shit had not yet been convicted of anything. But his victim knew the truth. 3. The idiot cheerleader should have quit the team in disgust when the piece of shit was still playing. 4. Sitting in the stands and shouting "Go Rapist" would be protected speech.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
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The question we really have to ask was it really rape or was she asking for it by wearing that short skirt.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
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The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address contains 266 words. A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words.
The relevance is, anyone who thinks we need specific penal codes outlining rapists on high school basketball teams is a fool contributing to the demise of our great nation.
The logical solution here is,
1. Schools should not allow students who plead guilty in a case involving raping another student to play on their sports teams.
2. If the victim does not want to cheer for the convicted criminal (pleaded guilty in a case regarding raping her), then she should not have to.
3. If she gets kicked off the cheer team for refusing to cheer for the boy who pleads guilty in said case, but he doesn't get removed from the team for said conviction, then there is a problem. Our courts should easily be able to address this situation.
Don't give me the whole "o well there's no specific law against rapists playing b-ball dude!" because incase you haven't studied the IRS, or a number of other phenomena in the US, I'll be the one to enlighten ya
Courts do not need laws to make decisions, either just or unjust.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461379 - 05/16/11 10:33 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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You never hear about stuff like this with the ping pong or chess club.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Stein]
#14461386 - 05/16/11 10:37 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Hahahahaha
Probably cause all those chess-playin hunnies are horny. Unlike those prude cheerleaders.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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LightShedder said: The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address contains 266 words. A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words.
The relevance is, anyone who thinks we need specific penal codes outlining rapists on high school basketball teams is a fool contributing to the demise of our great nation.
Uh, wasn't diecommie arguing against such? That its completely unnecesary because the victim allready has access to protection orders and the prosecution can allready get such included in the sentence? In this case it probably wasn't part of the sentence because there was a plea deal- the prosecution agreed to the sentence most likely.
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1. Schools should not allow students who plead guilty in a case involving raping another student to play on their sports teams.
Why not? What exactly is the criteria that you think should govern admission to the basketball team? I would think it should be: a) attend the school, b) play basketball better than the other candidates, c) follow the rules of the team.
What are the criteria you want? It strikes me there may be some equal protection problems here if we're going to start prohibiting random people from consideration because of convictions. If a government-imposed penalty attaches upon conviction it should be part of the sentence. All these colateral penalties are bullshit and a violation of due process/notice.
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2. If the victim does not want to cheer for the convicted criminal (pleaded guilty in a case regarding raping her), then she should not have to.
She doesn't have to, that was never at issue. She also doesn't have to be a cheerleader if she doesn't support the team or the players- regardless of the reason.
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3. If she gets kicked off the cheer team for refusing to cheer for the boy who pleads guilty in said case, but he doesn't get removed from the team for said conviction, then there is a problem. Our courts should easily be able to address this situation.
? On what grounds? You seem to, rather than having a problem with the government intervention manifested through the long orange regulations, meerly object to the formalism. Dispense with laws? How has that worked out in history?
This case had nothing to do with whether the kid should have been kicked off the team- totally seperate matter. She probably could have forced the issue had she made her wishes known/had compotent counsel during the court case or simply got a protective order afterwords if sufficient grounds existed.
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Don't give me the whole "o well there's no specific law against rapists playing b-ball dude!" because incase you haven't studied the IRS, or a number of other phenomena in the US, I'll be the one to enlighten ya
Courts do not need laws to make decisions, either just or unjust.
Is this the same old conspiracy theory I think it is? Check out section one of the tax code code: there's the law establishing the income tax. Not hard to find, very first one.
If your point isn't the conspiracy theory about "no law establishing an income tax exists" then what exactly is the basis of your claim here? It reads like someone who doesn't understand the basis for courts' decisions and just presumes, naively, that none exists.
I read court decisions now and then. I don't recognize this state of affairs.
Regardless, I'm intrigued by the cynical way in which you bring this up. Aren't you arguing for more latitude for courts to do what they want? Dispensing with the orange regulations and letting courts do whatever they wish?
Thankfully in the US we have a requirement for due process- a fundamental part of which is that the state can't act arbitrarily and just take your person or property without legal means.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Stein]
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Stein said: You never hear about stuff like this with the ping pong or chess club.
becuase those clubs aren't populated by athletic and ignorant asshats who have been praised by everyone for their physical prowess their entire life and feel entitled to whatever or whomever they'd like as a result.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
#14461455 - 05/16/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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"Thankfully in the US we have a requirement for due process- a fundamental part of which is that the state can't act arbitrarily and just take your person or property without legal means."
Rofl. What paradise do you reside in? Surely your just ignoring the truth to avoid the anxiety of thinking.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
#14461592 - 05/16/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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I'm well aware.
"I will not allow the law in my courtroom!" is exactly what the judges say. It's a bit like this...
The mafia comes at you and says "ay, ya gotta give us 2000 dollars a month to stay here, its for protection." well you can plead with the mobsters all you want but in the end, if you dont pay em, you'll get hurt. So you pay em logically. Doesn't mean it's legal.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14461601 - 05/16/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Have you?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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LightShedder said: I'm well aware.
"I will not allow the law in my courtroom!" is exactly what the judges say. It's a bit like this...
The mafia comes at you and says "ay, ya gotta give us 2000 dollars a month to stay here, its for protection." well you can plead with the mobsters all you want but in the end, if you dont pay em, you'll get hurt. So you pay em logically. Doesn't mean it's legal.
Go away. If the tax protester dingbats actually had a fucking case regarding the current legislation there would be a simple remedy. Rewrite the legislation. But it is unnecessary because the dingbats are wrong on the law.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
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Me? Go away? Your so mature, you display a high level of credibility. Tax protester dingbats? How does that disprove what I'm saying? Typical.
Look at the definition of Gross Income:
Section 61 of the Internal Revenue Code defines "Gross income" as:
IRC Section 61
(a) GENERAL DEFINITION.
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(IMPORTANT NOTE: The list below is comprised of 'items' as stated above, not 'sources'... don't give up yet... the below 'items' must originate from a 'source' established by the Secretary of the Treasury to be 'items' of 'Gross Income'.)
Here are the 'items':
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, and similar items; (2) Gross income derived from business; (3) Gains derived from dealings in property; (4) Interest; (5) Rents; (6i) Royalties; (7) Dividends; (8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments; (9) Annuities; (10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts; (11) Pensions; (12) Income from discharge of indebtedness; (13) Distributive share of partnership gross income; (14) Income in respect of a decedent; (15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust. 1.861-8(a)(4):
Good, we know about these 'items'... we grew up hearing these 'items' repeated through the years as they are components of gross income, right? These above items have been indicated by amateurs and tax professionals alike to be 'sources'... yet they are NOT 'sources'. There is a difference between 'items' and 'sources'. Again, these are 'items' of gross income only when they 'derive from' specifically listed sources. It gets easier...
We also know that the 16th Amendment specifies the authority of the Congress to tax... Let's look:
The Constitution of the United States Of America
Amendment XVI.
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
(emphasis added)
So far, so good.. we agree with this.
Now let us dispose of this matter of 'sources' which keeps 'popping up' whenever we look at a definition or description of 'Gross Income'..
Do our law books tell us where we can clarify this 'source' stuff?
Indeed they do! A simple search engine provided with the United States Code and the Code of Federal Regualtions will tell us precisly where sources show up each time in the law. The sources can be found in the statutes, as well as the Regulations, the most fascinating place to learn about 'sources' is found to be in the words of the Secretary of the Treasury in the Code of Federal Regulations and are the legally binding definition of 'sources' that must apply to income for it to be classified as 'Gross Income'. This is very important as the Regulations always apply to and are required to be followed by the IRS.
Look below at CFR § 1.861- 8(a):
Code of Federal Regulations § 1.861- 8(a):
"...The rules contained in this section apply in determining taxable income of the taxpayer from specific sources and activities under other sections of the Code referred to in this section as operative sections. See paragraph (f)(1) of this section for a list and description of operative sections."
(Emphasis added)
The Federal Regulations that we are dealing with make reference to 'sources' within, as well as without, the United States. Below are the only sources listed from which income must derive in order for it to be taxable for the purpose of the Income Tax.
Code of Federal Regulations 1.861-8(f)(1)
(i) Overall limitation to the foreign tax credit.
(ii) [Reserved]
(iii) DISC and FSC taxable income. (note: DISC is Direct International Sales Corp, and FSC is a Foreign Sales Corp)
(iv) Effectively connected taxable income. Nonresident alien individuals and foreign corporations engaged in trade or business within the United States,...
(v) Foreign base company income.
(vi) Other operative sections.
(A) "...foreign source items of tax..."
(B) "...foreign mineral income..."
(C) [Reserved]
(D) "...foreign oil and gas extraction income..."
(E) "...citizens entitled to the benefits of section 931 and the section 936 tax credit..."
(F) "...residents of Puerto Rico..."
(G) "...income tax liability incurred to the Virgin Islands..."
(H) "...income derived from Guam..."
(I) "...China Trade Act corporations..."
(J) "...income of a controlled foreign corporation..."
(K) "...income from the insurance of U.S. risks..."
(L) "...international boycott factor...attributable taxes and income under section 999..."
(M) "...income attributable to the operation of an agreement vessel under section 607 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1936..."
Which of the above 'sources' does your employees' (and/or your) 'income', 'items' or 'wages' derive from?... Interesting... isn't it?
Take NOTICE: The IRS has claimed in a case in South Carolina that § 861 has nothing to do with gross income in § 61. This did not last long as the Department of Justice was quickly reaching for things within § 861, without regarding the full effect of the attached regulations, to try to support their frail position. This clearly opens up the application of the statute and regulations into the argument of gross income before the court and the public. If that were not enough, they also have to try to defeat this:
26 CFR § 1.863-1
(c) Determination of taxable income. The taxpayer's taxable income from sources within or without the United States will be determined under the rules of Secs. 1.861-8 through 1.861-14T for determining taxable income from sources within the United States.
(Emphasis added)
Any argument that 861 has nothing to do with section 61 appears to be quite ridiculous, as 1.861-8(a)(3) displays the same list of items as § 61(a), and § 861 uses the same word "source" as used in both the 16th Amendment and section 61. In review of 1.863-1(c) we can ask the question to the search engine, is there another provision of law that is used for determining taxable or gross income from sources within the U.S.?
If we use the search engine and a combination of words around the word "source", any other provisions of law that could effect this argument will come up. To date we have not found any, and anyone can use their computer to do the same. Please do not to stay up too late trying every combination of words to discover a section of law that does not exist.
The above list is plainly applicable, and explains clearly your 'gross income' involvement in light of the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the Congress acts intentionally and purposely in the inclusion or exclusion of something in a law. Or simply, if a particular source is not on the list, then it is effectively 'excluded' from the Income Tax Act and subsequently the legal definition of 'Gross Income'.
The above list/regulation can be described simply as a 'fence'. The U.S. Congress gave the Secretary the task to encircle and delineate the only area from which 'Gross Income', and hence 'taxable income', can be derived or determined from... and the Secretary published his understanding of what was expected of him in the regulations, to which the Congress agreed by acquiescence. The above list is in fact the only list defining 'sources' in the regulations. 'Whatever' is within the fence is 'allowed' to be listed as 'Gross Income'. If it is not within the confines of the Secretary's 'fence' or 'regulation', it is 'exempt' (as it has not been included in the law to be subject to the tax imposed).
Some with a vested interest in taking care of your money for you, will argue that the phrase 'whatever sources' in the 16th Amendment means 'any and all sources'... yes again, we AGREE that it does... 'any and all 'sources' within the list as found within the published and knowable law! The Secretary has defined them, then Congress agreed with the Secretary! And they are restricted to the above list, as it is the only list which defines sources! An entry for Citizens with domestic income does not exist on this list!
Remember from Law 101 that the power of the Congress and the authority it gives to the Executive Branch is limited to the contents of the law. The power to tax any particular thing must be clearly set forth by the words employed in the statutes. The Secretary has no power to expand the meaning, purpose, intent or function of the statute and its specific language with his authority to promulgate and enact regulations:
"The provisions of the act are unambiguous, and its direction specific, there is no power to amend it by regulation."
Koshland v Helvering (1936) 298 U.S. 441, 80 L. Ed 1268 56 S.Ct. 7678.
Let's put it still another way...
It is not always what is in a law that is important. Frequently what is not stated in a law is equally important. Especially if you're ASSUMING something is in a law (something the U.S. Supreme Court does not have authority to do), when it clearly is NOT there.
1.) Section 61 states that gross income is from 'sources' which are taxable.
2.) 26 USC § 861(a), states that the following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States that are taxable, but fails to include such income paid to U.S. Citizens within the regulation setting forth the 'specific sources' of income from within the U.S.
3.) 26 CFR § 1.861 and following, are the Regulations promulgated by the Secretary of Treasury to implement 26 USC § 861, and prove that the items of gross income discussed in 26 USC § 861, are applicable only to foreigners and U.S. Citizens living abroad (NOTE: The Internal Revenue Code considers a U.S. Citizen living and working in a U.S. Territory [Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, etc...] as being abroad. See IRC §§ 930-940) .
Additionally, some have dared to argue against this research by claiming that the residual groupings, as opposed to the operative sections, apply to U.S. Citizens and make their 'remuneration' includible in gross income.
This would have made for a nice argument if it were not for the fact that the residual groupings are revealed in the regulations applicable to 26 USC § 864, Definitions, and when applied within the U.S. can be directed only to nonresident aliens and foreign corporations.
Significantly, the only application of the federal income tax upon the income of U.S. Citizens in existence is with respect to:
(1) a U.S. Citizen's foreign earned income, and
(2) the income of U.S. Citizens living abroad.
In good faith, let's take a look at 861. When you examine 861's regulations, you find the admission in 1.861-8 (a)(4), that income must come from a specific source to be taxable. If you examine the sources in 1.861-8 (f)(1), you will find that the domestic sources are plainly applicable to non-resident aliens and foreign corporations. The others listed are foreign sources that U.S. citizens would definitely be taxed upon. There is no direct mention of U.S. sources where U.S. Citizens can earn 'gross income'.
To wrap up this thesis, of the five sources listed in (f)(1), four of them are repeated as non-exempt income pursuant to 26 CFR § 1.861-8 (T)(d)(2)(iii). And pursuant to 1.861-8 (T)(d)(2)(ii)(A), all income that is exempt, excluded (not listed), or eliminated from the law, is exempt income.
Now the nay-sayers will say that these exclusions only apply to 861. So the next question is the same question we started with before getting into this regulation. And the question is, where are the other U.S. sources listed that are applicable to U.S. citizens living and working within the U.S.?
Since the law is so plainly structured to be taxing foreigners, and foreign earned income, we must have some specific citation of law, specifically taxing U.S. citizens on their domestic source income, as the Secretary has made the list of U.S. sources that are taxable in 26 U.S.C. § 861, applicable only to foreigners.
This legal fact fills in a lot of missing pieces in the income tax puzzle, yet the tax professionals we have encountered do not think so. Still, they refuse to answer the next haunting question: Why is it that the conventional school of thought believes that they can render an Act of Congress, The Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, superfluous and of no legal effect, when we point out that the only form required to be filed by U.S. Citizens, pursuant to section 1.1-1 of the Code of Federal Regulations, is the 2555 foreign earned income form?
Try as one may, attempting to pass off § 61 defining "Gross income" as the section of Code as the law taxing all U.S. citizens on their U.S. source income, even if the income cannot be deemed to be from taxable sources, is dishonest in light of the construction of the statute. Since 26 CFR §§ 1.861-8 (f)(1) and -8T (d)(2)(iii) state plainly the taxable sources which a U.S. Citizen must have, to make income "Gross income" and thus "taxable income" (the latter being taxed in § 1). Is it any wonder that the proper Form to be filed, pursuant to Section 1 of 26 U.S.C. and 26 CFR by a U.S. Citizen is the 2555 Foreign Earned Income form?
Added support below...
'Exempt Income'
(It is really interesting to note that when the IRS cites case law, claiming that only that which is specifically exempt by the law is exempt, that they never address the following Regulation of the Secretary)
26 CFR § 1.861-8T(d)(2)(ii)(A)
"In general. For purposes of this section, the term "exempt income" means any income that is in whole or in part, exempt, excluded, or eliminated for federal income tax purposes."
(Emphasis added)
"Exclusion" which is defined in Black's Law Dictionary, in part, as follows:
' Denial of entry or admittance.'
Isn't it fascinating that right after the Secretary stated this, he plainly listed income not exempt from taxation here as follows:
26 CFR § 1.861-8T(d)(2)(iii)
(iii) Income that is not considered tax exempt.
The following items are not considered to be exempt, eliminated, or excluded income and, thus, may have expenses, losses, or other deductions allocated and apportioned to them:
(A) In the case of a foreign taxpayer (including a foreign sales corporation (FSC)) computing its effectively connected income, gross income (whether domestic or foreign source) which is not effectively connected to the conduct of a United States trade or business;
(B) In computing the combined taxable income of a DISC or FSC and its related supplier, the gross income of a DISC or a FSC;
(C) For all purposes under subchapter N of the Code, including the computation of combined taxable income of a possessions corporation and its affiliates under section 936(h), the gross income of a possessions corporation for which a credit is allowed under section 936(a); and
(D) Foreign earned income as defined in section 911 and the regulations thereunder (however, the rules of section 1.911-6 do not require the allocation and apportionment of certain deductions, including home mortgage interest, to foreign earned income for purposes of determining the deductions disallowed under section 911(d)(6)).
NOTE: The only income above related to U.S. Citizens is (D)
This is of further importance as the definition of "wages" in § 3401(a) to be withheld from in accordance with § 3402, excludes all remuneration paid to U.S. Citizens by employers, except income which is deemed to be gross income under § 911, or other income related to foreign and U.S. possession sources.
This law confirms our position, in simple terms according to Black's Law Dictionary, that if the income in question comes from a source 'excluded' from the law, and thus not mentioned within the law as being taxable, it cannot then meet the source requirements of § 861, its regulations, and thus section 61(a) to be "Gross income", and is by definition EXEMPT.
This is a prime example of what we mean by the statement that... What is not within a law is just as important as what is!
A simple 'rule of thumb' to remember about the tax code:
The entire topic of the 'Income Tax', and the statutes regarding it, are built chiefly around the foundation of 'Gross Income' as defined in § 61 of the Internal Revenue Code... and that our laws mean what they say.
In the Members Hall we have complete pre-written letters and a myriad of other tools for our members to utilize based upon the above approach and the approach outlined in our Due Process article.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder] 1
#14461714 - 05/16/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461738 - 05/16/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Back to the original topic, if you want to cite an overly-complicated law protecting convicted sexual offenders rights to play on high school basketball teams, go for it.
You're wasting your time citing an overly-complicated law. How about not allow the rapist to play ball then let him sue over that?
You say, how do you know he's a rapist?
I say personally, I would not plead guilty to any lesser charge if I were innocent of the greater one. I would fight it as most non-rapists would. The fact that this creep gets to "plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid jail time" and remain free is sad enough considering all the innocent youths lives ruined by drug convictions/incarcerations. Is it really so crazy to think that this girl should have at least had the right, as a cheerleader even, to not cheer for this kid?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461762 - 05/16/11 12:07 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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This is a recap
A. Girl gets raped by guy. B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime and continues playing on school basketball team. C. Girl, cheerleader for said team, rightfully feels uncomfortable when expected to cheer for a guy who raped her (put yourself in her shoes) and refuses to cheer for guy. D. Girl gets kicked off of cheerleading squad for refusing to cheer for guy convicted in case regarding raping her.
We say, damn that's bullshit.
You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.
I say, fuck your laws.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461925 - 05/16/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: You say, how do you know he's a rapist?
I say personally, I would not plead guilty to any lesser charge if I were innocent of the greater one.
You say that now, but let's see what you say when it's your ass on the chopping block.
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Is it really so crazy to think that this girl should have at least had the right, as a cheerleader even, to not cheer for this kid?
She has the right to not cheer for anyone, by not volunteering to be a mouthpiece for the school. It's her choice.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461937 - 05/16/11 12:47 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.
I say, fuck your laws.
I say fuck your police state with rights for only the privileged few which would arise if equal protection were thrown out the window.
Just think how fucked up the IRS would be if there was no tax code at all. They'd be taxing your pubic hairs.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461945 - 05/16/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: A. Girl gets raped by guy.
This may or may not have been established.
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B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime
This has not been established.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14461949 - 05/16/11 12:49 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: Look at the definition of Gross Income:
Section 61 of the Internal Revenue Code defines "Gross income" as:
IRC Section 61
(a) GENERAL DEFINITION.
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
End of story. You're the one going on about overly complicated shit.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14462019 - 05/16/11 01:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: This is a recap
A. Girl gets raped by guy. B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime and continues playing on school basketball team. C. Girl, cheerleader for said team, rightfully feels uncomfortable when expected to cheer for a guy who raped her (put yourself in her shoes) and refuses to cheer for guy. D. Girl gets kicked off of cheerleading squad for refusing to cheer for guy convicted in case regarding raping her.
We say, damn that's bullshit.
You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.
I say, fuck your laws.
Your chronology is off. He had not been convicted at the time the girl refused to cheer. Switch B and C around. And no, you do not have a constitutional right to play on the basketball team or be on the cheerleading squad. Nor is there a law that requires he or she be kicked off. It is a school policy issue and they can either kick them off or not.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
#14462730 - 05/16/11 03:27 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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Why was the boy who was convicted of assault even allowed to stay on the team in the first place?
What does being on the team have to do with the criminal case? What exactly do you think that people who have served their time shouldn't be able to do? (Note that this is a completely separate argument from whether his sentence was sufficient or not)
umm, so if i go to your house, and assault a family member of yours, when i get out of jail 5 years later i should be able to play soccer on your street in front of your house like nothing happened?
i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm asking a serious question in a completely hypothetical sense
Why shouldn't you be able to play soccer? Is that how you guys really view the law, serve your time and then get out and be a free man except you are not allowed to play organized sports at some arbitrary distance from your victims? Sounds like you are just making it up as you go, which is no way to run a legal system.
i must have been confused. i didn't realize he was at a distance from his victim.
why is the title of this thread, cheerleader fined 45 thousand for not supporting her rapist?
it'd be fucked up to be fined 45 thousand for not supporting someone that raped you. i'll tell you the truth dog. if someone raped me and i was a chick, and this is hypothetical, let's say you could put yourself in that persons shoes. well let's just say, i'd be on my way to you with a knife, and you'd have about 5 minutes to live before I slit your throat.
i don't support anyone putting their hands on someone else, none the less raping them
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462762 - 05/16/11 03:33 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: This is a recap
A. Girl gets raped by guy. B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime and continues playing on school basketball team. C. Girl, cheerleader for said team, rightfully feels uncomfortable when expected to cheer for a guy who raped her (put yourself in her shoes) and refuses to cheer for guy. D. Girl gets kicked off of cheerleading squad for refusing to cheer for guy convicted in case regarding raping her.
We say, damn that's bullshit.
You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.
I say, fuck your laws.
Your chronology is off. He had not been convicted at the time the girl refused to cheer. Switch B and C around. And no, you do not have a constitutional right to play on the basketball team or be on the cheerleading squad. Nor is there a law that requires he or she be kicked off. It is a school policy issue and they can either kick them off or not.
wait WHAT!!??
he was on a team of people playing soccor and she was the cheerleader? and she didn't cheer? and she is being convicted? WTF!!
what he hell is everyone in this threads problem? do you guys not have a shred of respect for people?
that's fucked up. being a cheerleader on the team your rapist is playing on? he came back to his old team? that is NOT mandatory distance.
people and their god damn theory. what is wrong with everyone in this thread?
whoops, no, zappa is being a technical asshole like usual.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: imachavel]
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LightShedder said: This is a recap
A. Girl gets raped by guy. B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime and continues playing on school basketball team. C. Girl, cheerleader for said team, rightfully feels uncomfortable when expected to cheer for a guy who raped her (put yourself in her shoes) and refuses to cheer for guy. D. Girl gets kicked off of cheerleading squad for refusing to cheer for guy convicted in case regarding raping her.
We say, damn that's bullshit.
You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.
I say, fuck your laws.
Your chronology is off. He had not been convicted at the time the girl refused to cheer. Switch B and C around. And no, you do not have a constitutional right to play on the basketball team or be on the cheerleading squad. Nor is there a law that requires he or she be kicked off. It is a school policy issue and they can either kick them off or not.
wait WHAT!!??
he was on a team of people playing soccor and she was the cheerleader? and she didn't cheer? and she is being convicted? WTF!!
what he hell is everyone in this threads problem? do you guys not have a shred of respect for people?
that's fucked up. being a cheerleader on the team your rapist is playing on? he came back to his old team? that is NOT mandatory distance.
people and their god damn theory. what is wrong with everyone in this thread? for once it seems zappa is the ONLY ONE not being an asshole.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
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i corrected my earlier post, i didn't read what you said carefully. you think the technical nonsense is just a o k that she was raped and is now being persecuted for not cheering for her cheerleader
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: i corrected my earlier post, i didn't read what you said carefully. you think the technical nonsense is just a o k that she was raped and is now being persecuted for not cheering for her cheerleader
No, I do not. She is being "fined" (not really) for bringing a frivolous lawsuit demanding she be reinstated and/or claiming damages. And at the time she refused to cheer her rapist had not yet been convicted and a grand jury had already chosen not to indict. Then more evidence surfaced and he was eventually convinced to plead to a lesser, but she had already been tossed off the squad by then. I repeat, the slime ball had not yet been convicted. I also very early on suggested that she sue the piece of shit in civil court to recover her losses from the frivolous suit she brought. Of course she sued the school because they have money and she knows damn well this loser rapist scumbag and his trash family don't have a nickel. Lawsuits brought against entities strictly on the basis that they have money have got to stop and people who bring them need to be punished.
People really need to stop fucking suing over bullshit like getting booted from the cheerleader squad.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
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i don't know about punished, but lost. like the chick that put her cat in the microwave and sued the company because there was no sign that said she couldn't microwave her cat. ridiculous.
yeah i didn't realize she didn't sue the rapist. i guess she just wants money huh? and why be on a cheerleading squad if the rapist is on the team anyway? i'd imagine she would have gone to a different school
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
#14463034 - 05/16/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: JohnM are you aware what that same penal code states? It defines "income" as profits or gains from corporate interests. I.e. Corporations. It does not say labor. Conspiracy theory? Huh?
No I'm not aware of that- it isn't true. a) it isn't a 'penal code', b) you're wrong
Yes it is a conspiracy theory and absurd. The ridiculous thing is that people like you who continue to say things like this apparently don't take 5 seconds to check the law themselves before spreading it around.
Income is defined in the tax code as "all income from whatever source derived". 26 USC sec. 61(a)
How exactly do you confuse that?
I see you fail to cite the law you rely upon and instead provide (wait for it....) youtube videos as references. Fantastic. How could that have gone wrong?
For those who might be interested in what the law has to say about this matter, rather than youtube: Section 1 establishes the personal income tax and section 61 provides a definition of gross income which clearly applies to, as it says, "all income from whatever source derived":
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Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items: (1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items; (2) Gross income derived from business; (3) Gains derived from dealings in property; (4) Interest; (5) Rents; (6) Royalties; (7) Dividends; (8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments; (9) Annuities; (10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts; (11) Pensions; (12) Income from discharge of indebtedness; (13) Distributive share of partnership gross income; (14) Income in respect of a decedent; and (15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust. (b) Cross references For items specifically included in gross income, see part II (sec. 71 and following). For items specifically excluded from gross income, see part III (sec. 101 and following).
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: johnm214]
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lot o stuff to read
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby_Hitler said: The specific cheer was: “Two, four, six, eight, ten, come on, Rakheem, put it in.”
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Deekay]
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and maybe he did, we don't know if those charges are false or not 
but zappa knows he knows all
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14481862 - 05/19/11 11:38 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Don't be silly.
Boys will be boys, you know. 
i say she is probably a dirty filthy, got drunk, fucked him then felt bad and he talked shit so she yelled rape.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Psychoslut]
#14481921 - 05/19/11 11:49 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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you guys are fucked in the head. girls don't yell rape for fun. its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing. there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting. there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.
its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Psychoslut]
#14482608 - 05/20/11 02:59 AM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Don't be silly.
Boys will be boys, you know. 
i say she is probably a dirty filthy, got drunk, fucked him then felt bad and he talked shit so she yelled rape.
Hey, they were only 5 games from going to state.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
#14482863 - 05/20/11 05:29 AM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meams said: you guys are fucked in the head. girls don't yell rape for fun. its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing. there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting. there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.
its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
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Yeah, well thanks for your ruling. I realize you have intimate attachments to the issue, but you justified none of the things you've said. If your that emotionally invested in your ideas that you can't discuss them without all this moral condemnation than perhaps consider that it isn't too convincing- especially when you have a fit if people don't agree with you, which seems to be the case.
Exactly what evidence do you have to support the crap you said? Life is incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing, and claiming rape can appear beneficial in many situations, which is why it happens- especially when external pressure is placed upon the alleged victim, the law, parents, community condemnation, whatever.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
#14484562 - 05/20/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meams said: you guys are fucked in the head. girls don't yell rape for fun. its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing. there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting. there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.
its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.
I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14484567 - 05/20/11 01:54 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meams said: you guys are fucked in the head. girls don't yell rape for fun. its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing. there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting. there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.
its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.
I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?
You went to one seriously fucked up high school.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
#14484604 - 05/20/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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No, it wasn't the high school, it's just people in general.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14484634 - 05/20/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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smurf_master said: No, it wasn't the high school, it's just people in general.
No. I've never personally heard even one false rape accusation and I'm 54 years old. So no, it isn't people in general, it is the people you know.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
#14484692 - 05/20/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Just because you've never personally heard of a case doesn't mean it isn't a rampant problem.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14484750 - 05/20/11 02:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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smurf_master said: Just because you've never personally heard of a case doesn't mean it isn't a rampant problem.
I suggest you remove your personal self from associating with populations in which that kind of reprehensible and aberrant behavior is rampant. You seem to be surrounded by a particularly rabid form of douchebag. Trust me, there are groups of real human beings dotted about the countryside. Lots of them (NOT Compton). Find one and infest it with your self.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14484916 - 05/20/11 03:12 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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meams said: you guys are fucked in the head. girls don't yell rape for fun. its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing. there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting. there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.
its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.
I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?
I'm going to have to agree with Zappa on that one. That place where you're from is fucked. Get out while you still can.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14485135 - 05/20/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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yeah dude. playing the rape victim is not a desirable situation.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
#14485341 - 05/20/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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Actually there are many scenarios in which it would be desirable and profitable. Not to say it's right, but there are plenty of people who have been wrongly convicted of rape, only to be acquitted years later by new DNA evidence or a recanted statement. Just because the majority of rape cases are real, doesn't mean a good number of people haven't been fucked over by the system and lost years of their lifes because of it.
I do have to agree however that my high school was a cesspool of low lifes and a breeding ground for scum. I'm glad I got away.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14487440 - 05/20/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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smurf_master said: Actually there are many scenarios in which it would be desirable and profitable.
Yep, you don't lie about rape because it sucks, you lie about it because it is to your advantage.
Personally I only know of one case of false rape (real rape, not statutory or whatever bullshit), and am not aware of any cases of a true allegation of rape amongst my friends and associations.
It happens. The girl in question was trying to get out of criminal charges (wouldn't have worked even if she was raped, she was dumb in more ways than one). Luckily the cops / prosecutors did their job right and not much other than an inflated bail and a few hearings had to be satisfied before forgetting about the incident entirely.
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its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem. rape is horrible.
h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.
I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?
meams is something of a crusader. His girl was raped and he's very sensitive about the issue. He had/has me on ignore for correctly stating the law and having the gall to suggest that just because one person doesn't effectively consent does not mean that rape occured per se. That was too much for him
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
#14488596 - 05/21/11 07:07 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.
however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#14503661 - 05/24/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: Do you think it should be school policy to not allow anyone with a criminal record on the school's basketball team?
Why are you trying to make a blanket hypothetical situation out of a specific actual situation?
Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?
Hell yea give them full Rides to school- B/C if they didnt let people with criminal records play- Sports would suck - But maybe she will get lucky and the guy will get shot at a party or while he is doing something else illegal.
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meams said: sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.
however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].
Even if what you're saying is true, each case needs to be taken on a case by case basis. You don't know what happened and neither do I. All we know is the outcome of the court hearings.
If statistics were all that mattered, then there would be no reason for trials. We could just say, "99% of rape accusations are true. You were accused of rape. Therefore, you're probably a rapist, so you might as well be. You are hearby guilty of rape and sentenced to 10 years in a PMITA prison."
That's why we have due process and a presumption of innocence.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
#14505307 - 05/24/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said: sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.
however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].
Actually, what you said is:
"you guys are fucked in the head", and
"playing the rape victim is not a desirable situation"
You start calling people names and heaping on your standard dose of moral outrage because of some personal issue and then don't even have the honesty to own up to it
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
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I had a close friend who was accused of rape by his ex-girlfriend after he dumped her(in junior high).
He spent easily more than 6 months on house arrest, in court, and being interrogated/investigated by the police.
After a very long and thorough investigation, they found numerous inconsistencies in the girl's story. She was then charged for trying to frame my friend, and for falsifying police reports, etc.
Nobody was ever able to give my friend his reputation back though.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Heffy]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
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my post had to do with our current conversation, which isn't exactly coincident with the threads original theme.
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
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no one knows what really happened but them, but i do find it odd they didn't at least suspend him from the team or separate them. i've seen college players get kicked from their teams for much less, and completely unrelated shit that happened in their personal lives. i understand why people say "why should he be", but it's already policy in college sports (i don't know about professional) for people to be scrutinized and punished for shit they do in their personal lives.
on the other hand, she could have just fucking quit, it's not that important. seems like a lot of bullshit, but who really knows what happened.
on the subject of girls calling false rape, i've seen it at least three times in highschool and immediately after, all girls getting drunk and regretting it later. take it with a grain of salt until you get all the facts. girls lie
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Cloud9]
#14526884 - 05/28/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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They should have him do what Kobe did, Pay her off and change his number from 8 to 24-
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Cloud9]
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Cloud9 said: no one knows what really happened but them, but i do find it odd they didn't at least suspend him from the team or separate them. i've seen college players get kicked from their teams for much less, and completely unrelated shit that happened in their personal lives.
The NCAA is generally more strict (and exploitative of the players for that matter) than high schools and so forth, and colleges vary widely in their treatment of athletics. Further, the NCAA is a private organization and colleges are not required to be attended under penalty of law. Thus, there are far less constitutional restrictions on the operation of either, even if they are public.
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i understand why people say "why should he be", but it's already policy in college sports (i don't know about professional) for people to be scrutinized and punished for shit they do in their personal lives.
Why should that matter?
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on the subject of girls calling false rape, i've seen it at least three times in highschool and immediately after, all girls getting drunk and regretting it later. take it with a grain of salt until you get all the facts. girls lie
Yep, it certainly does happen. I also wonder what proportion of these 'non reported rapes' are actually rape. That kinda crap seems like it would come from self-reported claims that only indicate what percentage of girls think they've been raped, not neccesarily how many criminal rapes actually occured.
Regardless, the rape shield laws and so forth often seem to try and disregard the constitution and basic concepts of fairness, and the nature of the case means there is often no good witnesses not directly involved. The scary thing is that the public attitude towards rape and abuse seems like it may influence the decision of juries when they're supposed to be determining whether the incident was rape, rather than how bad it would be if it was (or how bad the people acted).
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