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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
    #14484634 - 05/20/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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No, it wasn't the high school, it's just people in general.



No.  I've never personally heard even one false rape accusation and I'm 54 years old.  So no, it isn't people in general, it is the people you know.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14484692 - 05/20/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Just because you've never personally heard of a case doesn't mean it isn't a rampant problem.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
    #14484750 - 05/20/11 02:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Just because you've never personally heard of a case doesn't mean it isn't a rampant problem.



I suggest you remove your personal self from associating with populations in which that kind of reprehensible and aberrant behavior is rampant.  You seem to be surrounded by a particularly rabid form of douchebag.  Trust me, there are groups of real human beings dotted about the countryside.  Lots of them (NOT Compton).  Find one and infest it with your self.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
    #14484916 - 05/20/11 03:12 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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you guys are fucked in the head.  girls don't yell rape for fun.  its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing.  there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting.  there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.

its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem.  rape is horrible.


h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.





I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?





I'm going to have to agree with Zappa on that one. That place where you're from is fucked. Get out while you still can.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14485135 - 05/20/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

yeah dude.  playing the rape victim is not a desirable situation.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14485341 - 05/20/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Actually there are many scenarios in which it would be desirable and profitable. Not to say it's right, but there are plenty of people who have been wrongly convicted of rape, only to be acquitted years later by new DNA evidence or a recanted statement. Just because the majority of rape cases are real, doesn't mean a good number of people haven't been fucked over by the system and lost years of their lifes because of it.


I do have to agree however that my high school was a cesspool of low lifes and a breeding ground for scum. I'm glad I got away.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
    #14487440 - 05/20/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

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Actually there are many scenarios in which it would be desirable and profitable.





Yep, you don't lie about rape because it sucks, you lie about it because it is to your advantage.

Personally I only know of one case of false rape (real rape, not statutory or whatever bullshit), and am not aware of any cases of a true allegation of rape amongst my friends and associations. 

It happens.  The girl in question was trying to get out of criminal charges (wouldn't have worked even if she was raped, she was dumb in more ways than one).  Luckily the cops / prosecutors did their job right and not much other than an inflated bail and a few hearings had to be satisfied before forgetting about the incident entirely.


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you guys are fucked in the head.  girls don't yell rape for fun.  its incredibly degrading and awkward and embarassing.  there is a very small percentage of girls who cry rape that are bullshitting.  there is a huge number of girls who have been raped nad haven't said shit.

its depressing, and attitudes like the ones you're expressing only perpetuate the problem.  rape is horrible.


h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e.





I knew plenty of girls in high school who yelled rape just to get revenge and payback. Where are you finding your statistics?




meams is something of a crusader.  His girl was raped and he's very sensitive about the issue.  He had/has me on ignore for correctly stating the law and having the gall to suggest that just because one person doesn't effectively consent does not mean that rape occured per se.  That was too much for him

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: smurf_master]
    #14488596 - 05/21/11 07:07 AM (13 years, 1 day ago)

sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.


however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14503661 - 05/24/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you think it should be school policy to not allow anyone with a criminal record on the school's basketball team?





Why are you trying to make a blanket hypothetical situation out of a specific actual situation?

Do you think public schools should reward athletes raping cheerleaders?





Hell yea give them full Rides to school-  B/C if they didnt let people with criminal records play- Sports would suck -  But maybe she will get lucky and the guy will get shot at a party or while he is doing something else illegal.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes] * 1
    #14504664 - 05/24/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.


however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].




Even if what you're saying is true, each case needs to be taken on a case by case basis.  You don't know what happened and neither do I.  All we know is the outcome of the court hearings. 

If statistics were all that mattered, then there would be no reason for trials.  We could just say, "99% of rape accusations are true.  You were accused of rape.  Therefore, you're probably a rapist, so you might as well be.  You are hearby guilty of rape and sentenced to 10 years in a PMITA prison."

That's why we have due process and a presumption of innocence.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14505307 - 05/24/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


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meams said:
sure, situations exist where rape is used to better some dumb cunt's situation.


however, my argument, is that there are EXPONENTIALLY MORE cases where either (a) the rape actually happens and she reports it, or (b) teh rape happens and nothing is said to anyone [which, of the 2 people i know who have been raped, is the case for both].





Actually, what you said is:

"you guys are fucked in the head", and

"playing the rape victim is not a desirable situation"


You start calling people names and heaping on your standard dose of moral outrage because of some personal issue and then don't even have the honesty to own up to it :thumbdown:

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14506358 - 05/24/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I had a close friend who was accused of rape by his ex-girlfriend after he dumped her(in junior high).

He spent easily more than 6 months on house arrest, in court, and being interrogated/investigated by the police.

After a very long and thorough investigation, they found numerous inconsistencies in the girl's story. She was then charged for trying to frame my friend, and for falsifying police reports, etc.

Nobody was ever able to give my friend his reputation back though.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Heffy]
    #14506798 - 05/24/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14508328 - 05/25/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14509290 - 05/25/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This post does NOT, in any way shape or form, have anything to do with my post or its legitimacy.




Then what does your post have to do with this thread?

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14509367 - 05/25/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

my post had to do with our current conversation, which isn't exactly coincident with the threads original theme.

sry.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14526651 - 05/28/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no one knows what really happened but them, but i do find it odd they didn't at least suspend him from the team or separate them. i've seen college players get kicked from their teams for much less, and completely unrelated shit that happened in their personal lives. i understand why people say "why should he be", but it's already policy in college sports (i don't know about professional) for people to be scrutinized and punished for shit they do in their personal lives.

on the other hand, she could have just fucking quit, it's not that important. seems like a lot of bullshit, but who really knows what happened.

on the subject of girls calling false rape, i've seen it at least three times in highschool and immediately after, all girls getting drunk and regretting it later. take it with a grain of salt until you get all the facts. girls lie

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Cloud9]
    #14526884 - 05/28/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They should have him do what Kobe did, Pay her off and change his number from 8 to 24-

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Cloud9]
    #14529061 - 05/29/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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no one knows what really happened but them, but i do find it odd they didn't at least suspend him from the team or separate them. i've seen college players get kicked from their teams for much less, and completely unrelated shit that happened in their personal lives.




The NCAA is generally more strict (and exploitative of the players for that matter) than high schools and so forth, and colleges vary widely in their treatment of athletics.  Further, the NCAA is a private organization and colleges are not required to be attended under penalty of law.  Thus, there are far less constitutional restrictions on the operation of either, even if they are public.





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i understand why people say "why should he be", but it's already policy in college sports (i don't know about professional) for people to be scrutinized and punished for shit they do in their personal lives.




Why should that matter?



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on the subject of girls calling false rape, i've seen it at least three times in highschool and immediately after, all girls getting drunk and regretting it later. take it with a grain of salt until you get all the facts. girls lie





Yep, it certainly does happen.  I also wonder what proportion of these 'non reported rapes' are actually rape.  That kinda crap seems like it would come from self-reported claims that only indicate what percentage of girls think they've been raped, not neccesarily how many criminal rapes actually occured.

Regardless, the rape shield laws and so forth often seem to try and disregard the constitution and basic concepts of fairness, and the nature of the case means there is often no good witnesses not directly involved.  The scary thing is that the public attitude towards rape and abuse seems like it may influence the decision of juries when they're supposed to be determining whether the incident was rape, rather than how bad it would be if it was (or how bad the people acted).

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