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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14451132 - 05/14/11 12:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

The question we really have to ask was it really rape or was she asking for it by wearing that short skirt.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: DieCommie]
    #14461349 - 05/16/11 10:23 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address contains 266 words. A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words.

The relevance is, anyone who thinks we need specific penal codes outlining rapists on high school basketball teams is a fool contributing to the demise of our great nation.

The logical solution here is,

1. Schools should not allow students who plead guilty in a case involving raping another student to play on their sports teams.

2. If the victim does not want to cheer for the convicted criminal (pleaded guilty in a case regarding raping her), then she should not have to.

3. If she gets kicked off the cheer team for refusing to cheer for the boy who pleads guilty in said case, but he doesn't get removed from the team for said conviction, then there is a problem. Our courts should easily be able to address this situation.

Don't give me the whole "o well there's no specific law against rapists playing b-ball dude!" because incase you haven't studied the IRS, or a number of other phenomena in the US, I'll be the one to enlighten ya

Courts do not need laws to make decisions, either just or unjust.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461379 - 05/16/11 10:33 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

You never hear about stuff like this with the ping pong or chess club.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Stein]
    #14461386 - 05/16/11 10:37 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Hahahahaha

Probably cause all those chess-playin hunnies are horny. Unlike those prude cheerleaders.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461390 - 05/16/11 10:39 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address contains 266 words. A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words.

The relevance is, anyone who thinks we need specific penal codes outlining rapists on high school basketball teams is a fool contributing to the demise of our great nation.





Uh, wasn't diecommie arguing against such?  That its completely unnecesary because the victim allready has access to protection orders and the prosecution can allready get such included in the sentence?  In this case it probably wasn't part of the sentence because there was a plea deal- the prosecution agreed to the sentence most likely.


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1. Schools should not allow students who plead guilty in a case involving raping another student to play on their sports teams.





Why not?  What exactly is the criteria that you think should govern admission to the basketball team?  I would think it should be: a) attend the school, b) play basketball better than the other candidates, c) follow the rules of the team.

What are the criteria you want?  It strikes me there may be some equal protection problems here if we're going to start prohibiting random people from consideration because of convictions.  If a government-imposed penalty attaches upon conviction it should be part of the sentence.  All these colateral penalties are bullshit and a violation of due process/notice.

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2. If the victim does not want to cheer for the convicted criminal (pleaded guilty in a case regarding raping her), then she should not have to.




She doesn't have to, that was never at issue.  She also doesn't have to be a cheerleader if she doesn't support the team or the players- regardless of the reason.

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3. If she gets kicked off the cheer team for refusing to cheer for the boy who pleads guilty in said case, but he doesn't get removed from the team for said conviction, then there is a problem. Our courts should easily be able to address this situation.





? On what grounds?  You seem to, rather than having a problem with the government intervention manifested through the long orange regulations, meerly object to the formalism.  Dispense with laws?  How has that worked out in history?

This case had nothing to do with whether the kid should have been kicked off the team- totally seperate matter.  She probably could have forced the issue had she made her wishes known/had compotent counsel during the court case or simply got a protective order afterwords if sufficient grounds existed.

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Don't give me the whole "o well there's no specific law against rapists playing b-ball dude!" because incase you haven't studied the IRS, or a number of other phenomena in the US, I'll be the one to enlighten ya

Courts do not need laws to make decisions, either just or unjust.




Is this the same old conspiracy theory I think it is?  Check out section one of the tax code code: there's the law establishing the income tax.  Not hard to find, very first one. 

If your point isn't the conspiracy theory about "no law establishing an income tax exists" then what exactly is the basis of your claim here?  It reads like someone who doesn't understand the basis for courts' decisions and just presumes, naively, that none exists.

I read court decisions now and then.  I don't recognize this state of affairs.

Regardless, I'm intrigued by the cynical way in which you bring this up.  Aren't you arguing for more latitude for courts to do what they want?  Dispensing with the orange regulations and letting courts do whatever they wish?

Thankfully in the US we have a requirement for due process- a fundamental part of which is that the state can't act arbitrarily and just take your person or property without legal means.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: Stein]
    #14461426 - 05/16/11 10:50 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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You never hear about stuff like this with the ping pong or chess club.



becuase those clubs aren't populated by athletic and ignorant asshats who have been praised by everyone for their physical prowess their entire life and feel entitled to whatever or whomever they'd like as a result.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14461455 - 05/16/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I forgot to add the golf club.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: memes]
    #14461481 - 05/16/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

JohnM are you aware what that same penal code states? It defines "income" as profits or gains from corporate interests. I.e. Corporations. It does not say labor. Conspiracy theory? Huh?

You're really gonna type up some pointless post with the technicalities that allow an incident like this to occur? You're missing my point.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message340901/pg1


http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/tilted-paranoia/121105-there-no-law-income-tax-man-beats-irs-court.html

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=safari&ei=X1jRTfinOeemsgfU9qS9Aw&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DGKePl2gW_3M&ved=0CDAQtwIwBQ&usg=AFQjCNFBJ5rtOnlAiNt1eJyQDw7QqOZPfQ


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461486 - 05/16/11 11:04 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

"Thankfully in the US we have a requirement for due process- a fundamental part of which is that the state can't act arbitrarily and just take your person or property without legal means."

Rofl. What paradise do you reside in? Surely your just ignoring the truth to avoid the anxiety of thinking.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461537 - 05/16/11 11:15 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Do you know what will happen to you if you do not report the wages earned from your labor and pay taxes on it?  You will be convicted in a court of law and put in jail.  Go ahead, try it.  See what happens.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14461592 - 05/16/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I'm well aware.

"I will not allow the law in my courtroom!" is exactly what the judges say.
It's a bit like this...

The mafia comes at you and says "ay, ya gotta give us 2000 dollars a month to stay here, its for protection." well you can plead with the mobsters all you want but in the end, if you dont pay em, you'll get hurt. So you pay em logically. Doesn't mean it's legal.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14461601 - 05/16/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461632 - 05/16/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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I'm well aware.

"I will not allow the law in my courtroom!" is exactly what the judges say.
It's a bit like this...

The mafia comes at you and says "ay, ya gotta give us 2000 dollars a month to stay here, its for protection." well you can plead with the mobsters all you want but in the end, if you dont pay em, you'll get hurt. So you pay em logically. Doesn't mean it's legal.



Go away.  If the tax protester dingbats actually had a fucking case regarding the current legislation there would be a simple remedy.  Rewrite the legislation.  But it is unnecessary because the dingbats are wrong on the law.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14461679 - 05/16/11 11:51 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Me? Go away? Your so mature, you display a high level of credibility. Tax protester dingbats? How does that disprove what I'm saying? Typical.

Look at the definition of Gross Income:

Section 61 of the Internal Revenue Code defines "Gross income" as:

IRC Section 61

(a) GENERAL DEFINITION.

Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:

(IMPORTANT NOTE: The list below is comprised of 'items' as stated above, not 'sources'... don't give up yet... the below 'items' must originate from a 'source' established by the Secretary of the Treasury to be 'items' of 'Gross Income'.)

Here are the 'items':

(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6i) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent;
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust. 1.861-8(a)(4):

Good, we know about these 'items'... we grew up hearing these 'items' repeated through the years as they are components of gross income, right? These above items have been indicated by amateurs and tax professionals alike to be 'sources'... yet they are NOT 'sources'. There is a difference between 'items' and 'sources'. Again, these are 'items' of gross income only when they 'derive from' specifically listed sources. It gets easier...

We also know that the 16th Amendment specifies the authority of the Congress to tax... Let's look:

The Constitution of the United States Of America

Amendment XVI.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

(emphasis added)

So far, so good.. we agree with this.

Now let us dispose of this matter of 'sources' which keeps 'popping up' whenever we look at a definition or description of 'Gross Income'..

Do our law books tell us where we can clarify this 'source' stuff?

Indeed they do! A simple search engine provided with the United States Code and the Code of Federal Regualtions will tell us precisly where sources show up each time in the law. The sources can be found in the statutes, as well as the Regulations, the most fascinating place to learn about 'sources' is found to be in the words of the Secretary of the Treasury in the Code of Federal Regulations and are the legally binding definition of 'sources' that must apply to income for it to be classified as 'Gross Income'. This is very important as the Regulations always apply to and are required to be followed by the IRS.

Look below at CFR § 1.861- 8(a):

Code of Federal Regulations § 1.861- 8(a):

"...The rules contained in this section apply in determining taxable income of the taxpayer from specific sources and activities under other sections of the Code referred to in this section as operative sections. See paragraph (f)(1) of this section for a list and description of operative sections."

(Emphasis added)

The Federal Regulations that we are dealing with make reference to 'sources' within, as well as without, the United States. Below are the only sources listed from which income must derive in order for it to be taxable for the purpose of the Income Tax.

Code of Federal Regulations 1.861-8(f)(1)

(i) Overall limitation to the foreign tax credit.

(ii) [Reserved]

(iii) DISC and FSC taxable income. (note: DISC is Direct International Sales Corp, and FSC is a Foreign Sales Corp)

(iv) Effectively connected taxable income. Nonresident alien individuals and foreign corporations engaged in trade or business within the United States,...

(v) Foreign base company income.

(vi) Other operative sections.

(A) "...foreign source items of tax..."

(B) "...foreign mineral income..."

(C) [Reserved]

(D) "...foreign oil and gas extraction income..."

(E) "...citizens entitled to the benefits of section 931 and the section 936 tax credit..."

(F) "...residents of Puerto Rico..."

(G) "...income tax liability incurred to the Virgin Islands..."

(H) "...income derived from Guam..."

(I) "...China Trade Act corporations..."

(J) "...income of a controlled foreign corporation..."

(K) "...income from the insurance of U.S. risks..."

(L) "...international boycott factor...attributable taxes and income under section 999..."

(M) "...income attributable to the operation of an agreement vessel under section 607 of the Merchant Marine Act of 1936..."

Which of the above 'sources' does your employees' (and/or your) 'income', 'items' or 'wages' derive from?... Interesting... isn't it?

Take NOTICE: The IRS has claimed in a case in South Carolina that § 861 has nothing to do with gross income in § 61. This did not last long as the Department of Justice was quickly reaching for things within § 861, without regarding the full effect of the attached regulations, to try to support their frail position. This clearly opens up the application of the statute and regulations into the argument of gross income before the court and the public. If that were not enough, they also have to try to defeat this:

26 CFR § 1.863-1

(c) Determination of taxable income. The taxpayer's taxable income from sources within or without the United States will be determined under the rules of Secs. 1.861-8 through 1.861-14T for determining taxable income from sources within the United States.

(Emphasis added)

Any argument that 861 has nothing to do with section 61 appears to be quite ridiculous, as 1.861-8(a)(3) displays the same list of items as § 61(a), and § 861 uses the same word "source" as used in both the 16th Amendment and section 61. In review of 1.863-1(c) we can ask the question to the search engine, is there another provision of law that is used for determining taxable or gross income from sources within the U.S.?

If we use the search engine and a combination of words around the word "source", any other provisions of law that could effect this argument will come up. To date we have not found any, and anyone can use their computer to do the same. Please do not to stay up too late trying every combination of words to discover a section of law that does not exist.

The above list is plainly applicable, and explains clearly your 'gross income' involvement in light of the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the Congress acts intentionally and purposely in the inclusion or exclusion of something in a law. Or simply, if a particular source is not on the list, then it is effectively 'excluded' from the Income Tax Act and subsequently the legal definition of 'Gross Income'.

The above list/regulation can be described simply as a 'fence'. The U.S. Congress gave the Secretary the task to encircle and delineate the only area from which 'Gross Income', and hence 'taxable income', can be derived or determined from... and the Secretary published his understanding of what was expected of him in the regulations, to which the Congress agreed by acquiescence. The above list is in fact the only list defining 'sources' in the regulations. 'Whatever' is within the fence is 'allowed' to be listed as 'Gross Income'. If it is not within the confines of the Secretary's 'fence' or 'regulation', it is 'exempt' (as it has not been included in the law to be subject to the tax imposed).

Some with a vested interest in taking care of your money for you, will argue that the phrase 'whatever sources' in the 16th Amendment means 'any and all sources'... yes again, we AGREE that it does... 'any and all 'sources' within the list as found within the published and knowable law! The Secretary has defined them, then Congress agreed with the Secretary! And they are restricted to the above list, as it is the only list which defines sources! An entry for Citizens with domestic income does not exist on this list!

Remember from Law 101 that the power of the Congress and the authority it gives to the Executive Branch is limited to the contents of the law. The power to tax any particular thing must be clearly set forth by the words employed in the statutes. The Secretary has no power to expand the meaning, purpose, intent or function of the statute and its specific language with his authority to promulgate and enact regulations:

"The provisions of the act are unambiguous, and its direction specific, there is no power to amend it by regulation."

Koshland v Helvering (1936) 298 U.S. 441, 80 L. Ed 1268 56 S.Ct. 7678.

Let's put it still another way...

It is not always what is in a law that is important. Frequently what is not stated in a law is equally important. Especially if you're ASSUMING something is in a law (something the U.S. Supreme Court does not have authority to do), when it clearly is NOT there.

1.) Section 61 states that gross income is from 'sources' which are taxable.

2.) 26 USC § 861(a), states that the following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States that are taxable, but fails to include such income paid to U.S. Citizens within the regulation setting forth the 'specific sources' of income from within the U.S.

3.) 26 CFR § 1.861 and following, are the Regulations promulgated by the Secretary of Treasury to implement 26 USC § 861, and prove that the items of gross income discussed in 26 USC § 861, are applicable only to foreigners and U.S. Citizens living abroad (NOTE: The Internal Revenue Code considers a U.S. Citizen living and working in a U.S. Territory [Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, etc...] as being abroad. See IRC §§ 930-940) .

Additionally, some have dared to argue against this research by claiming that the residual groupings, as opposed to the operative sections, apply to U.S. Citizens and make their 'remuneration' includible in gross income.

This would have made for a nice argument if it were not for the fact that the residual groupings are revealed in the regulations applicable to 26 USC § 864, Definitions, and when applied within the U.S. can be directed only to nonresident aliens and foreign corporations.

Significantly, the only application of the federal income tax upon the income of U.S. Citizens in existence is with respect to:

(1) a U.S. Citizen's foreign earned income, and

(2) the income of U.S. Citizens living abroad.

In good faith, let's take a look at 861. When you examine 861's regulations, you find the admission in 1.861-8 (a)(4), that income must come from a specific source to be taxable. If you examine the sources in 1.861-8 (f)(1), you will find that the domestic sources are plainly applicable to non-resident aliens and foreign corporations. The others listed are foreign sources that U.S. citizens would definitely be taxed upon. There is no direct mention of U.S. sources where U.S. Citizens can earn 'gross income'.

To wrap up this thesis, of the five sources listed in (f)(1), four of them are repeated as non-exempt income pursuant to 26 CFR § 1.861-8 (T)(d)(2)(iii). And pursuant to 1.861-8 (T)(d)(2)(ii)(A), all income that is exempt, excluded (not listed), or eliminated from the law, is exempt income.

Now the nay-sayers will say that these exclusions only apply to 861. So the next question is the same question we started with before getting into this regulation. And the question is, where are the other U.S. sources listed that are applicable to U.S. citizens living and working within the U.S.?

Since the law is so plainly structured to be taxing foreigners, and foreign earned income, we must have some specific citation of law, specifically taxing U.S. citizens on their domestic source income, as the Secretary has made the list of U.S. sources that are taxable in 26 U.S.C. § 861, applicable only to foreigners.

This legal fact fills in a lot of missing pieces in the income tax puzzle, yet the tax professionals we have encountered do not think so. Still, they refuse to answer the next haunting question: Why is it that the conventional school of thought believes that they can render an Act of Congress, The Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, superfluous and of no legal effect, when we point out that the only form required to be filed by U.S. Citizens, pursuant to section 1.1-1 of the Code of Federal Regulations, is the 2555 foreign earned income form?

Try as one may, attempting to pass off § 61 defining "Gross income" as the section of Code as the law taxing all U.S. citizens on their U.S. source income, even if the income cannot be deemed to be from taxable sources, is dishonest in light of the construction of the statute. Since 26 CFR §§ 1.861-8 (f)(1) and -8T (d)(2)(iii) state plainly the taxable sources which a U.S. Citizen must have, to make income "Gross income" and thus "taxable income" (the latter being taxed in § 1). Is it any wonder that the proper Form to be filed, pursuant to Section 1 of 26 U.S.C. and 26 CFR by a U.S. Citizen is the 2555 Foreign Earned Income form?

Added support below...

'Exempt Income'

(It is really interesting to note that when the IRS cites case law, claiming that only that which is specifically exempt by the law is exempt, that they never address the following Regulation of the Secretary)

26 CFR § 1.861-8T(d)(2)(ii)(A)

"In general. For purposes of this section, the term "exempt income" means any income that is in whole or in part, exempt, excluded, or eliminated for federal income tax purposes."

(Emphasis added)

"Exclusion" which is defined in Black's Law Dictionary, in part, as follows:

' Denial of entry or admittance.'

Isn't it fascinating that right after the Secretary stated this, he plainly listed income not exempt from taxation here as follows:

26 CFR § 1.861-8T(d)(2)(iii)

(iii) Income that is not considered tax exempt.

The following items are not considered to be exempt, eliminated, or excluded income and, thus, may have expenses, losses, or other deductions allocated and apportioned to them:

(A) In the case of a foreign taxpayer (including a foreign sales corporation (FSC)) computing its effectively connected income, gross income (whether domestic or foreign source) which is not effectively connected to the conduct of a United States trade or business;

(B) In computing the combined taxable income of a DISC or FSC and its related supplier, the gross income of a DISC or a FSC;

(C) For all purposes under subchapter N of the Code, including the computation of combined taxable income of a possessions corporation and its affiliates under section 936(h), the gross income of a possessions corporation for which a credit is allowed under section 936(a); and

(D) Foreign earned income as defined in section 911 and the regulations thereunder (however, the rules of section 1.911-6 do not require the allocation and apportionment of certain deductions, including home mortgage interest, to foreign earned income for purposes of determining the deductions disallowed under section 911(d)(6)).

NOTE: The only income above related to U.S. Citizens is (D)

This is of further importance as the definition of "wages" in § 3401(a) to be withheld from in accordance with § 3402, excludes all remuneration paid to U.S. Citizens by employers, except income which is deemed to be gross income under § 911, or other income related to foreign and U.S. possession sources.

This law confirms our position, in simple terms according to Black's Law Dictionary, that if the income in question comes from a source 'excluded' from the law, and thus not mentioned within the law as being taxable, it cannot then meet the source requirements of § 861, its regulations, and thus section 61(a) to be "Gross income", and is by definition EXEMPT.

This is a prime example of what we mean by the statement that... What is not within a law is just as important as what is!

A simple 'rule of thumb' to remember about the tax code:

The entire topic of the 'Income Tax', and the statutes regarding it, are built chiefly around the foundation of 'Gross Income' as defined in § 61 of the Internal Revenue Code... and that our laws mean what they say.

In the Members Hall we have complete pre-written letters and a myriad of other tools for our members to utilize based upon the above approach and the approach outlined in our Due Process article.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder] * 1
    #14461714 - 05/16/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

thread = dumb now.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461738 - 05/16/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Back to the original topic, if you want to cite an overly-complicated law protecting convicted sexual offenders rights to play on high school basketball teams, go for it.

You're wasting your time citing an overly-complicated law. How about not allow the rapist to play ball then let him sue over that?

You say, how do you know he's a rapist?

I say personally, I would not plead guilty to any lesser charge if I were innocent of the greater one. I would fight it as most non-rapists would. The fact that this creep gets to "plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid jail time" and remain free is sad enough considering all the innocent youths lives ruined by drug convictions/incarcerations. Is it really so crazy to think that this girl should have at least had the right, as a cheerleader even, to not cheer for this kid?


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461762 - 05/16/11 12:07 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

This is a recap

A. Girl gets raped by guy.
B. Guy pleads guilty to lesser charge to avoid jailtime and continues playing on school basketball team.
C. Girl, cheerleader for said team, rightfully feels uncomfortable when expected to cheer for a guy who raped her (put yourself in her shoes) and refuses to cheer for guy.
D. Girl gets kicked off of cheerleading squad for refusing to cheer for guy convicted in case regarding raping her.

We say, damn that's bullshit.

You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.

I say, fuck your laws.


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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461925 - 05/16/11 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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LightShedder said:
You say, how do you know he's a rapist?

I say personally, I would not plead guilty to any lesser charge if I were innocent of the greater one.




You say that now, but let's see what you say when it's your ass on the chopping block.

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Is it really so crazy to think that this girl should have at least had the right, as a cheerleader even, to not cheer for this kid?




She has the right to not cheer for anyone, by not volunteering to be a mouthpiece for the school.  It's her choice.

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Re: Cheerleader fined 45 thousand dollars for not supporting her rapist [Re: LightShedder]
    #14461937 - 05/16/11 12:47 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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LightShedder said:
You guys say, no it's not. Here's the technicalities protecting the rapist and shunning the victim.

I say, fuck your laws.




I say fuck your police state with rights for only the privileged few which would arise if equal protection were thrown out the window. 

Just think how fucked up the IRS would be if there was no tax code at all.  They'd be taxing your pubic hairs.

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