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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14446189 - 05/13/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The claim about requiring a given amount of grain to produce a given amount of meat(and usually, we're talking about cows here), ignores one factor:  Many livestock can eat grass, which doesn't have to compete with crops.  Now, grass-fed beef is more expensive than corn-fed beef, but that's good, because it means people will eat less of it.  Meat is made artificially cheap by agricultural subsidies, particularly for corn.  As such, repealing agricultural subsidies would be much better for the environment than any personal decision to abstain from meat.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: NetDiver]
    #14446241 - 05/13/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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says you.




I have the capability to feel empathy, unlike wolves. :shrug:


Do you have a source for the emboldened portion?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Poid]
    #14446290 - 05/13/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, the research on what animals feel empathy is pretty scarce, due to the fact that until recently most scientists have off-hand dismissed the possibility of any animals besides humans feeling empathy.

But the question is moot anyway, since wolves have evolved to exclusively digest meat, whereas we can get our nutrition other ways. We're just different animals.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: NetDiver]
    #14446366 - 05/13/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No, the research on what animals feel empathy is pretty scarce, due to the fact that until recently most scientists have off-hand dismissed the possibility of any animals besides humans feeling empathy.

But the question is moot anyway, since wolves have evolved to exclusively digest meat, whereas we can get our nutrition other ways. We're just different animals.




Should apes be morally condemned for eating meat?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14446414 - 05/13/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I never talked about morally condemning anyone or anything. I talked only about a personal choice I have made, and the reasons for it. I don't preach to anyone about vegetarianism, I just thought that I'd offer my thoughts in this thread about it.

You guys are working really hard to put me on a moral high horse that I was never on.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: NetDiver]
    #14446443 - 05/13/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

good for you for being vegetarian. I don't even think there is anything to argue about! It is mean to kill animals and eat them just cuz u like the way they taste! Duh!

Good for you for putting your concience above your taste buds!

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: baby9]
    #14446465 - 05/13/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*OC deletes naughty comment about certain things tasting good*


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: NetDiver]
    #14446478 - 05/13/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You guys are working really hard to put me on a moral high horse that I was never on.


I'm not doing that I was just interested in that claim you made about wolves. :angrydog:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Poid]
    #14446516 - 05/13/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have to wonder what it would be like for an alien biologist to come to Earth and study humans.  Would they look at our livestock and slaughterhouses and be like "OMG this is horrible!  What are they doing to those animals?"  Or would they say, "Hmmm...this is a remarkable evolutionary adaptation for staying well-fed and having a stable source of protein"?  I tend to think it'd be the latter.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #14446521 - 05/13/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We haven't had a good Soylent Green reference in like 3 years. I must find a way to work that in here somehow.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #14446527 - 05/13/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I tend to think it'd be the latter.


Me too. :thumbup:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #14446536 - 05/13/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Or would they say, "Hmmm...this is a remarkable evolutionary adaptation for staying well-fed and having a stable source of protein"?  I tend to think it'd be the latter. "

lol yeah maybe. Im sure they would be very impressed at our astronomical rates of obesity, heart disease and cancer, all of which are directly related to our excessive consumption of high sodium, high fat, body acidifying meats, and the ecological devestation caused by clear cutting the rain forest to make room for mcdonalds beef cattle

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Jordan Black]
    #14446565 - 05/13/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see. What would have a greater impact on the planet: humans living to 60 years old or humans living to 90 years old?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14446577 - 05/13/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It depends on whether the reason people are dying younger is because they have been doing things that destroy the environment.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Jordan Black]
    #14446587 - 05/13/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suspected the math would be too difficult for you. My bad. :tongue:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Jordan Black]
    #14446588 - 05/13/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lol yeah maybe. Im sure they would be very impressed at our astronomical rates of obesity, heart disease and cancer, all of which are directly related to our excessive consumption of high sodium, high fat, body acidifying meats, and the ecological devestation caused by clear cutting the rain forest to make room for mcdonalds beef cattle



I agree.  We use way too much corn feed and high-fructose corn syrup.  Down with corn!  Corn is murder!


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14446592 - 05/13/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol its not a mathematical question, as you may or may not be capable of understanding.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #14446607 - 05/13/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I agree.  We use way too much corn feed and high-fructose corn syrup.  Down with corn!  Corn is murder!




Let's go back in time to when men lived to be 35 years old. That was way more natural.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: NetDiver]
    #14446809 - 05/13/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i know worms don't feel pain, so you can eat worms guilt free.



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Worms actually have brains and relatively complex physiology. There are some mollusks that have no nervous systems and I don't really have any qualms about eating them.
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some scientists, i think in Sweden, proved just a few yours ago that worms do not have a nervous system, and hence, they can't feel pain.

but now your treading on soft ground. if something doesn't feel pain it's OK to eat? i thought you where anti-meat because of the cruel way in which the animals die, but now your basicaly saying: if it doesn't feel pain it's not cruel? so if i go around stabbing paralyzed people in the legs it's OK because they don't feel pain right?

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closed veil said: not eating meat doesn't make you a realest, it make you a vegetarian.




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The whole point is that you can be both. :facepalm:




sure you can. but one only needs to read a few of your posts to know your not a realist. do you kno what a realist is?

more questions for you and you haven't answered any of the previous questions.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: baby9]
    #14446847 - 05/13/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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good for you for being vegetarian. I don't even think there is anything to argue about! It is mean to kill animals and eat them just cuz u like the way they taste! Duh!





how about killing animals to control the population for their safety as well as humans? if we didn't hunt deer the population would explode, more would be running onto highways, causing auto accidents killing deer and people. they would over populate to the point where they would starve to death in the winter from lack of food. they would spread disease to each other, other animals, and deer ticks would spread lymes disease to humans at a much higher rate, and eventually the population would crash.


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