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Increasing vs. decreasing human population 2
#14446582 - 05/13/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The clueless numb-nuts here would have you believe that both are signs that something is very wrong.
Can't be both ways.
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I love how you enjoy lecturing people on their improper debate style and the various fallacies you detect in their arguments, and then you poop out stuff like this and call it a "post".
You are a harsh critic of everything except your own work, it would seem.
Which particular category of debate fallacy does calling your opponents a "clue-less numb-nuts" fall under?
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Jordan Black]
#14447585 - 05/13/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jordan Black said: I love how you enjoy lecturing people on their improper debate style and the various fallacies you detect in their arguments, and then you poop out stuff like this and call it a "post".
You are a harsh critic of everything except your own work, it would seem.
Which particular category of debate fallacy does calling your opponents a "clue-less numb-nuts" fall under?
The "resorting to name-calling right away" fallacy?
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: LunarEclipse]
#14448173 - 05/13/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Better to get that out of the way early.
Of course, he cannot say specifically who I called a numb-nuts...
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Jordan Black]
#14448205 - 05/13/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jordan Black,
Name calling and personalisms are against the rules in PS&P. This is something only you have done in this thread.
If you can't debate the topic without resorting to calling people names, then don't post in PS&P. Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules here before you post again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Jordan Black]
#14448254 - 05/13/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jordan Black said: I love how you enjoy lecturing people on their improper debate style and the various fallacies you detect in their arguments, and then you poop out stuff like this and call it a "post".
You are a harsh critic of everything except your own work, it would seem.
Which particular category of debate fallacy does calling your opponents a "clue-less numb-nuts" fall under?
Name calling is ok as long as you don't specifically point at anyone. Yeah, it's dumb, but that's just the rule here.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14448273 - 05/13/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not dumb. If things weren't that way, you couldn't call republicans in general stoopid.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Diploid]
#14448297 - 05/13/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good point. It's just that sometimes that loophole is used to be a bully within the law (at least from my perspective).
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Diploid]
#14448338 - 05/13/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I still don't get how an increasing human population is bad because it uses more resources
which may lead to a
decreasing human population which uses less resources and is also bad.
Any takers? Come on, now. This was the apparent stance taken by several members who were quite adamant in their views. I will even retract the numb-nuts slam if you can state your case with some degree of clarity.
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I must say, the term "numb-nuts" is very relevant to a discussion on population...
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14448371 - 05/13/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If more men would ride bicycles with those long, skinny saddles... (Fact: it does decrease sperm count and may lead to sterility).
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I say both are signs that something is wrong. Whether the population increases or decreases should be up to individual choices, not mass control. In the end, our choices and nature will decide whether our numbers increase or decrease.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: If more men would ride bicycles with those long, skinny saddles... (Fact: it does decrease sperm count and may lead to sterility).
So does using a laptop on your lap for extended periods of time.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: djnoktirnal]
#14448489 - 05/13/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mass control is a result of the choices of individuals.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14448498 - 05/13/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Choosing for someone else should be an invalid choice
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The problem is obviously the humans then no matter how many
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: djnoktirnal]
#14448505 - 05/13/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not, as you can see by looking at our lovely planet Earth.
All the rules are already in play, and this is the result.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14451519 - 05/14/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It can't go both ways when talking about the same thing. An increasing population means more resource are going to be used up. That would be bad from my perspective. On the other hand, an increasing population increases the possibility that something useful for humanity will be discovered (good). It could also mean that something destructive is going to be discovered (bad). They each have their pros and cons. When something is a pro for me, it can't be a con. Unless you think its a con, which means it can't be a pro for you.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Diploid]
#14451564 - 05/14/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: It's not dumb. If things weren't that way, you couldn't call republicans in general stoopid.
Nor could you call liberal dumb cunts dumb cunts. In a general way, of course.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: zappaisgod]
#14451758 - 05/14/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Now you're catching on.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Diploid]
#14451792 - 05/14/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Generalizations are for
Am I doin it right?
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14454166 - 05/14/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It depends who is doing the increasing.
I think the problem with our increasing population is the total loss of natural selection. In our society, our greatest citizens often only reproduce a couple of times, while lowlife fuckups end up having kids all over the place with no invested interest in how they turn out. No bueno
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: mushiepussy]
#14455870 - 05/15/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: It depends who is doing the increasing.
I think the problem with our increasing population is the total loss of natural selection. In our society, our greatest citizens often only reproduce a couple of times, while lowlife fuckups end up having kids all over the place with no invested interest in how they turn out. No bueno
the problem is control. Who decides who the greatest citizens are and who the fuckups are?
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: djnoktirnal]
#14459444 - 05/15/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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djnoktirnal said:
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mushiepussy said: It depends who is doing the increasing.
I think the problem with our increasing population is the total loss of natural selection. In our society, our greatest citizens often only reproduce a couple of times, while lowlife fuckups end up having kids all over the place with no invested interest in how they turn out. No bueno
the problem is control. Who decides who the greatest citizens are and who the fuckups are?
Maybe when it comes to control policy everyone should have the same restriction as everyone else then. Make it a flat rule
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: helix]
#14460356 - 05/16/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I consider the greatest citizens to be the ones who are the most aware.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: djnoktirnal]
#14461339 - 05/16/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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djnoktirnal said: Choosing for someone else should be an invalid choice
And you just decided this for everyone else.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: mushiepussy] 1
#14461345 - 05/16/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: I consider the greatest citizens to be the ones who are the most aware.
Of the vagueness of this post?
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14463299 - 05/16/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the issue of population will sort itself out. There isn't much point in saying less or more people would be better. Obviously it would mean less spent resources if there were less people, but we (the whole world) could easily sustain ourselves and live comfortably (although with many less pointless material items) if we implemented available technologies.
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Re: Increasing vs. decreasing human population [Re: unam sanctum]
#14463762 - 05/16/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The ideal population would be me and 6 hawt bitches. (One day for 'alone' time.) We would set up camp in the Santa Barbara hills a few miles from the ocean. We would have a bitchin' organic garden, a vineyard, and a few dozen strains of the good herb with bunnies and deer cavorting about.
And then I woke up...
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That's what the afterlife is like. But all the ladies' tongues have 4-fingered limbs, weed makes you super paranoid, and inexplicably, the only topic of conversation is death anxiety.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: The clueless numb-nuts here would have you believe that both are signs that something is very wrong.
Can't be both ways. 
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