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civicracerx7



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dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency
#14446226 - 05/13/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have read several posts where they say hat these wotn kill potency but I swear I have never ever had this problem when I used to pick em fresh and grind em into orange juice
I purchased a cheap dehydrator and dry them cracker dry like a day and half in there
and when you eat em you get a mild trip
usually off 3.5 grams i trip very very well and the onset is quick
these have been slow to act and mild in effect
I have som epins forming now Imma have to pick some fresh and see whats up
Ive also heard multi spore is the problem but man its never been like this in 2-3 years of the hobby why all of a sudden now?
spores are always bought form reputable supplier I dont make my own syringes
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446238 - 05/13/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dry a batch the normal way, set them aside. Dry a batch in the dehydrator, set them aside. Make sure you label them both.
Next, eat a few from the normal batch, record your experience. Wait 7 days, do it again from the dehydrator batch.
That's about as empirical as you can get without expensive hardware.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446249 - 05/13/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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as long as the heat from the dehydrator isn't above 180 you should be fine. You're leaving your mushis exposed to O2 for 36 hours is probably what is killing it. Remember, Oxygen is the enemy of potency...The quicker you can dry them, the better off you'll be.
Also, you may want to look @ when you picked them vs. the other ones.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446261 - 05/13/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Putting them into an acidic juice I believe makes it more bioavailability quicker. Look up lemon tek.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: afrosheen]
#14446289 - 05/13/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've never used a dehydrator on shroomies, but (when making jerky) I noticed the surprising amount of heat they generate to get the job done. Air drying in a dark/dry room has always worked for me. If your extra worried about water content then track the water loss with a scale.
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civicracerx7



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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Treefeeler]
#14446333 - 05/13/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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interesting I didnt knwo WHEN you harvest them affected potency I usually wait until I know for sur ethey arent getting any bigger
its maybe a day day and a half after veil breaks and spores drop :-0
and yes I leave them in the dehydrator for at least a day and half to get full cracker dry
damn I might have to make some adjustments in light of this new information
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446378 - 05/13/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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One good reason that they loose potency is due to the fact that psilocin content in the fresh mushrooms dissapears once the mushrooms dry
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446392 - 05/13/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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civicracerx7 said: interesting I didnt knwo WHEN you harvest them affected potency I usually wait until I know for sur ethey arent getting any bigger
its maybe a day day and a half after veil breaks and spores drop :-0
and yes I leave them in the dehydrator for at least a day and half to get full cracker dry
damn I might have to make some adjustments in light of this new information
Harvest just before the veil breaks for maximum potency
Also, I'd recommend investing a dehydrator that has a temp gauge. I put mine up as high as it goes, 145 F...Cracker in 12 hours...
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446393 - 05/13/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah for real, letting them get as big as possible and over-drying them WILL kill potency. Even though I have a dehydrator (great for jerky) the absolute best thing you can do is desiccate in a vacuum. Use damp-rid and rig a bicycle pump backwards, adapt the bike pump (now a vacuum pump) to a desiccation setup through a single hole in the container. With calcium chloride to remove the water, and (at least 75%) evacuated O2 from the environment, you get pretty flawless results. All the things I've mentioned can be searched and done cheaply and easily, with a bit of time and scrounging.
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CyanFieldsForever said: One good reason that they loose potency is due to the fact that psilocin content in the fresh mushrooms dissapears once the mushrooms dry
Ummmmmmm, no.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Treefeeler]
#14446449 - 05/13/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Treefeeler said:
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CyanFieldsForever said: One good reason that they loose potency is due to the fact that psilocin content in the fresh mushrooms dissapears once the mushrooms dry
Ummmmmmm, no.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446480 - 05/13/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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civicracerx7 said: I have read several posts where they say hat these wotn kill potency but I swear I have never ever had this problem when I used to pick em fresh and grind em into orange juice
I purchased a cheap dehydrator and dry them cracker dry like a day and half in there
and when you eat em you get a mild trip
usually off 3.5 grams i trip very very well and the onset is quick
these have been slow to act and mild in effect
You are comparing fresh + OJ to dried without OJ?
The amount of food in your stomach during/prior to ingestion should also be taken into consideration.
If all else fails, eat more mushies and win. Simple.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: civicracerx7]
#14446494 - 05/13/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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civicracerx7 said:I purchased a cheap dehydrator and dry them cracker dry like a day and half in there
I have a cheap dehydrator that I got for free off freecycle. I opened it up and disabled the heating element by gently pulling apart the two strips of metal in the heating coil that trip it off if it gets too hot. Now, it just blows cool air like a fan with no heat, which is all I need really. I'm thinking about wiring a cheap computer case fan in the bottom to speed up the drying time, but it's fine without it.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: Puzzled]
#14448104 - 05/13/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use a regular dehydrator, cracker dry in 5-8 hours, and they are potent as hell
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: slapphappypill]
#14448199 - 05/13/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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slapphappypill said: I use a regular dehydrator, cracker dry in 5-8 hours, and they are potent as hell

I've never complained about mine nor have my friends that trip w/ me...I've left them in the dehydrator @ 145 for 12 hours to 36 hours...all the same effect.
Negative effects on tripping:
1. Sugars in stomach (alcohol especially) 2. Set & setting 3. Food in stomach (watch the carbs/sugars) 4. Potency of ps. cubes.
(oops, that increases the effect of ps.)5. Citric acid Addition to ingestion of ps. cubes.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14448255 - 05/13/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe it's the ascorbic acid that increases the effects. Could be wrong tho, but you really can't compare different methods, it'd be like iv vs sub lingual vs ingestion. All the same but different
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: fngbronco]
#14448270 - 05/13/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea...
OP - I bet you're using MS for inoculation as well...there's absolutely no way to judge off that. 1 mushroom (in the same batch) will be 1.5 potent (let's call 1 the standard) & the 2 mush (from the same batch as 1) will be .7 potent...That's just how it goes, which is why we iso
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: fngbronco]
#14448276 - 05/13/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i use the alton brown dehydrator best imo no heat cool dry air ftw perfect preservation
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14448528 - 05/13/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: i use the alton brown dehydrator best imo no heat cool dry air ftw perfect preservation
why is everyone SOOOOO against heat?! Don't go above 180 & you're fine...check these teks...
http://www.shroomery.org/11113/Dionysian-Wine https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12976998#12976998
http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/10453.shtml?ID=10453
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5970038#5970038
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9179345#9179345
I know lots of TCs use heat up to 160 to dry their mushis via a dehydrator. Get off the heat aspect. It's fresh vs. dried & all the reasons I put above.
02 is bad. vacu-seal immediately (or as quickly as you can) upon cracker dry & store in a dark temp controlled area.
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Re: dehydrator has GOT to be killing the potency [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14448547 - 05/13/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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180? Shoot, you can go a lot higher than that without damaging the magic.
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