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Cyclohexylamine
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: thoughts]
#14444930 - 05/13/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets. Let's get our change.
Educate the people around you.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: thoughts]
#14444948 - 05/13/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets. Let's get our change.
I'm workin' on it yo.
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DeadHearts


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I really hope some of the people in this thread are either joking or trolling.
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Sleepwalker
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14444968 - 05/13/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I doubt it, there really are plenty of dumb fish who support the drug war, while doing drugs themselves.
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nice1
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Yeah man, the drugs I sell would be worthless without the war
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Oweyervishice said: I doubt it, there really are plenty of dumb fish who support the drug war, while doing drugs themselves. 
When it comes to the drug war I really will never understand how someone could be so stupid in supporting such a thing. Every which way you look at it you should be able to see that it has never helped. It has been failing for years and years and has cost lives and countless amounts of money.
All to keep people safe 
Making drugs legal is not going to make everyone run out and shoot up. Its readily available right now. The people who are going to do the drugs are going to do them one way or another anyways.
       
       
      
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: nice1]
#14444994 - 05/13/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dealers who support the war aren't dumb, just selfish. Although as long as this shit is illegal, thank god for the black market.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: yogabunny]
#14445023 - 05/13/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yogabunny said:
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iwasaClown said: We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets. Let's get our change.
I'm workin' on it yo.

When's the peace and freedom rally, yo?
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
#14445157 - 05/13/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tritium said: I'm wondering what you guys think. What percent of people support the drug war because of true moral reasons, and what percent have something to gain? Moral meaning they truly believe all drugs are harmful
I support the war against cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines. Because they can kill you or get you addicted.
The rest is a waste of time. Theres no way cops are gonna stop people from smoking weed...
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guywiththegun said: I support the drug war in that I think we need to take those guys in Mexico to town. I think we need to knock out their profits before they start going above the border and beheading us, or setting crowded nightclubs on fire, or machine-gunning elementary schools, or any number of known cartel tactics used in Mexico.
I don't support the war on drug users. I think a few are capable of being legalized (weed, LSD, shrooms, things without addictive potential), but we need to have some sort of treatment program for guys who need to get off meth/heroin/opiates and shit like that. Drug addiction isn't a criminal problem to me, it's a social and a health problem. I think if we can shut down cartel activity, or at least curb it, we'd go miles in treating the people who need it, instead of imprisoning everyone equally.
legalize. boom their hole profit margin gets FUCKED UP.. \ no way cocaine would be worth 2/3rd the price of gold (G for G, Oz. for Oz.) if it were legal. BAM right there way less incentive to be violent..
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Patlal
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: thoughts]
#14445195 - 05/13/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If only the positive would outweigh the negative when we speak of legalisation
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: thoughts]
#14445198 - 05/13/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think most supporters of the drug war have been persuaded by the public safety angle that it's sold under. but i also get the impression that more and more people are beginning to see how monstrous it is. the drug war does not serve the public interest in any capacity, and all that prohibition does is fuel the black market and the entities who control it, puts age restriction and purity regulation out of the hands of the government, and victimizes generations of people via the legal system. that's not to mention all of the human lives it claims.
america's war on drugs will be remembered in history as one of its darkest periods. i'd be interested to know what has caused a larger government expansion between the fda, the dea and the prisons that are being built faster than shopping malls and the war on terror and homeland security. we love our wars. we're such a sick country atm.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Patlal]
#14445210 - 05/13/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Patlal, you wouldn't support legalizing across the board?
I mean think of EVERYTHING that goes in the heroin business, from the Opium farmers to the terrorist making money off the wholesale and buying weapons with the money, to the drug smuggling and all the money spent incarcerating people around the world, think of all the cops and people who die as 3rd parties to the drug war, think of all the kids exposed to these hard drugs without being honestly educated about them, think of the money that young poor people see others making in the drug game, think of all the people killed, not because of the drugs themselves but because of the artificially raised prices..
I think if we legalized, most americans would not have a hard time saying no to Coke, H, or tweek
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millzy


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if we legalized "pleasure drugs", there would be a spike in experimentation, but i would assert that the amount of addicts would probably remain the same after the initial phase.
i think a big component that we lack even in regard to alcohol is lack of educating the public about responsible use. that's a big reason why we have collegiate binge drinking (an almost purely american phenomenon). i think letting the public know the facts about what they're ingesting, keeping it age restricted like alcohol, and redirecting the money we're putting into the prison system into rehab centers and other stuff like, oh i don't know, feeding and sheltering the homeless, would be a more constructive approach to the fact that people are going to alter their consciousness regardless of penalty of law.
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millzy


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: millzy]
#14445263 - 05/13/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.
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Patlal
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realfuzzhead said: Patlal, you wouldn't support legalizing across the board?
I mean think of EVERYTHING that goes in the heroin business, from the Opium farmers to the terrorist making money off the wholesale and buying weapons with the money, to the drug smuggling and all the money spent incarcerating people around the world, think of all the cops and people who die as 3rd parties to the drug war, think of all the kids exposed to these hard drugs without being honestly educated about them, think of the money that young poor people see others making in the drug game, think of all the people killed, not because of the drugs themselves but because of the artificially raised prices..
I think if we legalized, most americans would not have a hard time saying no to Coke, H, or tweek
Hmmm. When you put it like that...
I dunno. If it was that simple, they would already be legal.
Its a hard thing to measure since they never were legal. We have nothing to compare too. all we have is the results of them being illegal.
Its really hard for me to believe this idealist thought that legalization would screw up the black market too. Seems too simple. Again, if it was that simple, it would of been done already.
As for regular people saying no to the drugs, the best example I can give you is alcohol. Most people drink cause its legal. It coke were to be legal perhaps people would be more inclined to try it. which would result in a higher addicted population.
Its all speculations. I would love to give it a shot and see what happens though
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: millzy] 1
#14445460 - 05/13/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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millzy said: moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.
The US is not fighting the poppy fields, we are protecting them. The taliban almost wiped out opium production and after we went in there Afghanistan became the world's largest supplier.
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how would it not fuck up the black market? Go read about alcohol prohibition for an hour and you'll see how legalizing takes out the black market, it happened virtually overnight after prohibition was ended.
And heroin/opiates/cocaine were legal man.. people did them. People learned not to do them, we would have even more quality control now..
Seriously man it really is that easy. Street dealer can't compete with capitalism
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14446041 - 05/13/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
When it comes to the drug war I really will never understand how someone could be so stupid in supporting such a thing. Every which way you look at it you should be able to see that it has never helped. It has been failing for years and years and has cost lives and countless amounts of money.
All to keep people safe 
Making drugs legal is not going to make everyone run out and shoot up. Its readily available right now. The people who are going to do the drugs are going to do them one way or another anyways.
       
       
       
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