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OfflineoO_wombat_Oo
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Shame on Australia, the UK & the US!
    #1444497 - 04/09/03 10:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I promised myself I wouldn't do this - get all politicol and stuff. But shit, I just can't help it...

You think the US are "liberating" the people of Iraq!? Pfffft. That's a laugh. How? By bombing the living shit out of them?Why don't they liberate people that actually want to be liberated? Like Tibet? Zimbabwe? Oh yeah - there's no oil there!

You think they're disarming Iraq? Disamring them of weapons that the US actually sold them? Yeah right. They can't find a single bloody thing in Iraq, yet North Korea are blatantly testing missiles and admit to restarting their nuclear program. Oh yeah - but there's no oil there, either! Strange that there was such urgency to go into Iraq that the UN couldn't even be left to finish their job, but there's no urgency at all with North Korea.

I'm not a clueless, anti-war hippie. World War 2 was necessary, this is not (althought the dropping over nuclear weapons on civilian cities was one of the greatest acts of terror in the history of human kind).

As an Australian, I'm ashamed of our pin-dicked Prime Minister sucking the cock of an conservative, idiotic, bible waving Texan oil tycoon. A man that sends thousands of US men and women into a foreign country as aggressors, even though he himself dodged the Vietnam draft. A man that has been caught drink driving twice and is suspected in an elaborate cocaine cover up.

The Darker side of GEORGE W BUSH


Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/09/03 10:27 PM)


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1445100 - 04/10/03 01:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Good point. I'd feel a lot more confident about Bush's aspirations to liberating the oppressed if he went into Africa next rather than Syria. No bombing necessary - just liberating the people from debt repayments and the nightmarish influence of western corporations.

I'm not holding out too much hope.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1445123 - 04/10/03 01:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I love recycled arguments. Things aren't going well in one thread? Lets just start another and see if it goes better. Look out I bet pinky is coming.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: z@z.com]
    #1445145 - 04/10/03 01:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This one was started first. And the other one is going very well. Kicking arse, I believe.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1445171 - 04/10/03 01:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ignore me. I can't read timestamps apparently. And I have been awake for 48 hours.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1445241 - 04/10/03 01:39 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>>>the other one is going very well. Kicking arse, I believe. <<<

Thanks for the update Mr. al-Sahaf.



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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1445288 - 04/10/03 01:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1445330 - 04/10/03 01:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My arguments are on the table for you to refute. If you don't think it's "kicking arse", then how about adding your opinion? Tell me where I'm wrong. Afraid I'll effortlessly blast the shit out of it?
I've got a lot of silly responses, but nothing that's even remotely intellectual or thought provoking.

But thanks for your contribution nonetheless.


Edited by Rono (04/10/03 05:40 PM)


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1445386 - 04/10/03 02:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Like "Whoaaa!".


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1445401 - 04/10/03 02:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, you're right. I need to ease up a bit. I shouldn't have even started, not like it's going to change anything. :wink:


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1445407 - 04/10/03 02:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Just remember BH, empty vessels make the loudest noises.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Evolving]
    #1445421 - 04/10/03 02:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Bombs and missles are really loud.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1447200 - 04/10/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Despite americas grand claims....i just dont buy it with bush innitiating this kind of maneuver, while simotaneously stripping civil rights while eyes are on far shores...



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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1447255 - 04/10/03 05:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Why don't they liberate people that actually want to be liberated? Like Tibet? Zimbabwe? Oh yeah - there's no oil there!




Oil? was there oil in Bosnia? What are the other countries waiting for? If it's a just cause why don't countries like France, Germany, China and Russia get there as soon as possible?

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yet North Korea are blatantly testing missiles and admit to restarting their nuclear program.




see above.

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(althought the dropping over nuclear weapons on civilian cities was one of the greatest acts of terror in the history of human kind




Saving Tens of Thousands of American troops, remember we were attacked. Just thought you should know.

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As an Australian, I'm ashamed of our pin-dicked Prime Minister sucking the cock of an conservative, idiotic, bible waving Texan oil tycoon. A man that sends thousands of US men and women into a foreign country as aggressors, even though he himself dodged the Vietnam draft. A man that has been caught drink driving twice and is suspected in an elaborate cocaine cover up.




So that basically sums it up. The only reason you have your undies in a bunch is because of your HATE towards Bush. The truth always comes out.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1447262 - 04/10/03 05:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

YOu're blinded by your LOVE of america... :tongue: :wink:


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1447277 - 04/10/03 05:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

tell me where? If you can see it through your HATRED of America.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1447285 - 04/10/03 05:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wow, you're post is filled with moronic statements, let me pick it apart for you.
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You think the US are "liberating" the people of Iraq!?



damn you're right saddam is a great guy, his people love him!
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By bombing the living shit out of them?



our tagets are all military, and we go to great lengths to assure the lowest civilian casualties possible.
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Why don't they liberate people that actually want to be liberated?



are you claiming the iraqi people aren't happy that saddam is gone? i bet those reporters in baghdad were just witnessing a huge demonstration of the newest form of US propaganda. Dancing Iraqis!!
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Like Tibet? Zimbabwe? Oh yeah - there's no oil there!



why do you insist on basing your view on the retarded claim that this is all about oil. We liberate a country and then are immediately blamed for not freeing the entire world. What is wrong with benefitting from freeing iraq?
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They can't find a single bloody thing in Iraq, yet North Korea are blatantly testing missiles and admit to restarting their nuclear program.



i agree, disarming was just an excuse (even though i'm still pretty damn sure that we will find WMD), so what? does that change the fact that we are freeing the iraqi people? NO. and as you said yourself, "Why don't they liberate people that actually want to be liberated?" most North Koreans actually support their leader, even though they are brainwashed. there's a huge difference between the two countries.
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I'm not a clueless, anti-war hippie.



sure about that?
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even though he himself dodged the Vietnam draft.



so, if you were an american man age 18-25 in the US at that time you would have gone to Vietnam willingly? If you are against this war then i doubt it. Vietnam was an extremely bad war, nothing good could have come out of it, i would have dodged the draft too, so i can't blame him for doing so. I'm not saying bush is a good guy, but you trying to use this as a point is laughable.
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A man that has been caught drink driving twice and is suspected in an elaborate cocaine cover up.



yep, don't trust bush. i don't, but i still support this war. Why? because no matter what bush's motives are, removing saddam is a good thing.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: Xlea321]
    #1447294 - 04/10/03 05:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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just liberating the people from debt repayments and the nightmarish influence of western corporations.



blame the French for the situation in Africa (especially the ivory coast), not the US.
im not saying the US isn't at fault here, just nowhere near as much as many other countries.


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1448163 - 04/10/03 11:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Afraid I'll effortlessly blast the shit out of it?




I'm still waiting to see who you'll blast the shit out of....this aught to be funny. :smirk:


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Edited by Innvertigo (04/10/03 11:18 PM)


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Re: Shame on Australia, the UK & the US! [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1448227 - 04/10/03 11:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not a clueless, anti-war hippie. World War 2 was necessary, this is not (althought the dropping over nuclear weapons on civilian cities was one of the greatest acts of terror in the history of human kind).

It may not have been the best way, but it worked at stopping the war (war ended almost instantly after that). But if you think about it, nukes would have been developed and used sometime by some country! Maybe if we never detonated a nuke while knowing it's power and existance, then another country could have came along and nuked 10 cities before anyone could do anything about it. It would have been done sometime or another.


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