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another drying question
    #14443861 - 05/13/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey guys I know this is a subject that gets brought up alot but I had a few questions after a few of my caps went mold from poorly drying them.

So i'm looking for a new drying technique without having to purchase anything new.

I've read that fan drying is a good way to dry fruits, but should I use a cool fan or a fan with a heat setting? I've only got a regular fan which would be blowing cold air at the mushrooms since its freezing out at the moment.

next I've got a small heater that doesn't really get very hot at all and has great control over the temp settings. would it be alright to put it on the lowest setting possible to dry them out, and also use some silica gel packets to aid the process as well?
or will even this heat be a risk with potency?

sorry for bringing up a topic thats always discussed, but I'd like to know the best option out of what I've got to work with.

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Re: another drying question [Re: Austrip]
    #14443884 - 05/13/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If it is very humid where you live then you will probably need the heater.  Just keep it on a low setting....maybe put a thermometer amongst the drying shrooms to make sure they aren't getting too hot.  I know you don't want to buy anything new but you should think about a desiccant chamber if it is humid inside your house a lot of the time.


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Re: another drying question [Re: gym]
    #14443889 - 05/13/11 05:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

right now temps are between 5-15 degrees C, or 41-60 F so its fairly cold. The fruits feel like theyve been in the fridge even with the heater on the lowest setting right now thats why I think I had mold problems.

My previous drying process was a rack stacked on a open box cardboard box with silica gel packets in the bottom of the box. It seems like I definitely need to add some heat in there though to speed the process up since the fruits are taking 2-3 days to dry and are rotting.


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Re: another drying question [Re: Austrip]
    #14443893 - 05/13/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are they molding with the fan blowing on them? Or are they molding during storage?


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Re: another drying question [Re: gym]
    #14443894 - 05/13/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The heater could do. Like Gym said, the problem with the fan is if the humidity is too high it will only get you so far. Throw them infront of the fan for a day (to save energy over the heater) than toss em infront of the heater for a bit so they can dry out a bit more. When theyre crispy toss them in something sealed with your silica.

Should do just fine.


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Re: another drying question [Re: W4E2E0D]
    #14443903 - 05/13/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they are molding at about the 2-3 day mark if they are not fully dried, I dont store them if they mold.

I just dont want to risk mold again or too much loss of potency, I've used a desk lamp from a distance of about a foot and a half above the box before with good results but I'm fairly sure there was some loss of potency with that method.

right now the heater is on low with them with silica packets scattered underneath and beside them on the tray , but they are still quite cold to touch, comparable to store bought mushrooms that have been out of the fridge for a few minutes.


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Re: another drying question [Re: W4E2E0D]
    #14443945 - 05/13/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can dry them with the regular cold air from a box fan if you do it right, in 48 hours or less. You elevate the box fan off of the ground on all four corners with jars, glasses or whatever you have four of that are the same size, laying down, blowing straight up towards the ceiling. You place the mushrooms directly on the grill of the box fan like so.(Make sure to take apart and clean every bit of dust and dirt off the fan first unless it is new.)

 

Since you are where it is cold placing the fan over a heater vent will speed the process dramatically, or you could put the space heater on low a few feet away pointing at the fan. You may have to put the mush in a screen container or mesh bag or something depending on how hard the fan is blowing and how big the mushrooms are to keep them from falling into the fan.

You dry them on low-med fan setting with as little heat as possible, heat does effect potency no matter what anyone says because I have tested it and I barely dried them at 150F and they were much less potent than the fan dried ones. After you dry them for 24 hours they will form a tough skin on the outside of the stem. You then take a sharp sterile knife and cut the stem long ways from the bottom all the way up to the cap and spread the stem apart to let the air reach the inside of the stem. After 6-8 more hours you can remove the cap from the stem and finish drying them in three separate pieces. This is the fastest and most effective way I have found to fan dry with no heat or potency loss. If you use the fan and the heater on low they might dry faster without having to cut them but with the risk of loss of potency depending on how hot your heater gets. Also a light bulb under the fan on a non flammable surface with some aluminum foil over top of the light to block most of the light from reaching the fruits, because light also robs potency. Hope this helps you out.:goodluck:

Or you could make one of these!

It has a 35 watt light bub wrapped in foil to block the light, and the computer fan on high draws air past the light warming it before it blows it past the shrooms and out holes that I drilled in the bottom of the tupperware. It barely gets warm with the fan on high and it dries them in less than 24 hours.:billnye:


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14443972 - 05/13/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Food grade silica gel packs are only a few dollars for a pack of 100 from eBay or amazon and I suggest storing them in an air tight container with the food grade desiccant packs just to be safe after they are cracker dry/snap instead of bending near the cap:2cents:


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14444009 - 05/13/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks 3n1gm4 for that response, so you think a combo of the heater a few feet away on low and the fan on low would work?


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Re: another drying question [Re: Austrip]
    #14444012 - 05/13/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It should be but it might take 2 or 3 days.


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14444022 - 05/13/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well right now I have a cardboard box with the rack over the top with the fruits on it. There about 10 food grade silica gel packets in the bottom and the heater is on low about 2 feet away.

Do you think the fan is still necessary for the extra airflow? thanks again man

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Re: another drying question [Re: Austrip]
    #14444170 - 05/13/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Forget the silica gel till they are cracker dry, you need constant air blowing on them or the inside will start to rot, dry them with the fan and then put them in a ziplock or tupperware with the silica packs. Or you could make a desiccant box with damp rid for drying flowers from a craft store but you have to make sure not to touch the damp rid to the fruits because it is poison. Airflow is the most important, a nesco dehydrator with a temp setting on the lowest temp works the best, you can find them on amazon.com pretty cheap or sometimes you can get them at thrift, second hand, or consignment shops. Just make sure that they snap like a cracker when you bend them near the cap, if they bend at all they aren't completely dry. If you don't get them cracker dry asap they will start to spoil and you can get all kinds of food poisonings including botulism which can kill you.-


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14444486 - 05/13/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright I've turned the fan on about 3-4 feet behind the heater and the air is fairly warm being blown, probably about 20-25 degrees Celsius, not too hot I hope.

cheers for all the info dude much appreciated. left you a rating. :peace:


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Re: another drying question [Re: Austrip]
    #14444833 - 05/13/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Turn it on as high as you can and get something to keep the mushrooms from flying away, the more air the better.

You don't need hardly any heat heat just drys the air if you get it right, heat on mushrooms is bad for potency, some say it isn't but I have tested it.


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14444851 - 05/13/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

95-100F degrees is plenty of heat


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Re: another drying question [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14444888 - 05/13/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they seem to have dried way more just in the hour or so since I turned the fan on so the warmish air blowing is definitely helping, Ill turn it up and check back in a couple hours.

I've felt the box there resting on where the air is blowing and its not warm to touch or anything so I don't think the heat is significant. I don't mind a bit of potency loss as opposed to mold, even the ones I dried with the lamp where still crazy potent so hopefully these work out a little better then that and I'll be more then happy. :thumbup:


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