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    #14442089 - 05/12/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm wondering what you guys think. What percent of people support the drug war because of true moral reasons, and what percent have something to gain? Moral meaning they truly believe all drugs are harmful


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14442094 - 05/12/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 1
    #14442100 - 05/12/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Go overdose in a corner somewhere and let the rest of us responsible adults play with our drugs, thx. :thumbup:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 1
    #14442105 - 05/12/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.





If you killed yourself that would be your own fault not the fault of the drugs.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #14442110 - 05/12/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Never insinuated it would :shrug:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442144 - 05/12/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

True. I'm just saying though if you had access to drugs and abused them that wouldn't be the drugs fault. Point being- legalize drugs.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 1
    #14442145 - 05/12/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would have a healthy coke habit I'm sure. Cocaine is a hellofadrug.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
    #14442147 - 05/12/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

but I have no restraint if they were legal i would surely become a severe addict so its good i have no access to them


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442152 - 05/12/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but I have no restraint if they were legal i would surely become a severe addict so its good i have no access to them




how do you control yourself with porn then or not raping people?    :confused:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
    #14442154 - 05/12/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think most people here favor legalization, but for people who strongly oppose it what us their motivations


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 1
    #14442155 - 05/12/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I say legalize.  Let nature sort out who can handle that or not.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442157 - 05/12/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.




but you may not after seeing heroin addicts and mega speed freaks. If you got to see one or two close up growing up that might have scared you away. That is a better anti drug then DARE ever was. there are 60-80 dollar grams of really strong smack 20-30 minutes from here and I would not touch it. Well I would if I found it in my brothers belongings by selling it to a junky then telling my brother I tossed it out.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: argg]
    #14442167 - 05/12/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

personally i don't think i'd ever shoot up heroin if it were legal  :shrug:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: argg]
    #14442168 - 05/12/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.




but you may not after seeing heroin addicts and mega speed freaks. If you got to see one or two close up growing up that might have scared you away. That is a better anti drug then DARE ever was. there are 60-80 dollar grams of really strong smack 20-30 minutes from here and I would not touch it. Well I would if I found it in my brothers belongings by selling it to a junky then telling my brother I tossed it out.



I used to turn my friends into hardcore junkies I know what they are like and I used to be totally addicted to speed I couldn't even watch somebody else doing it without getting heavily fiended. I love drugs and I'm just glad I don't have easy access to them


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
    #14442172 - 05/12/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but I have no restraint if they were legal i would surely become a severe addict so its good i have no access to them




how do you control yourself with porn then or not raping people?    :confused:



well I definitely have zero porn control and as for raping its actually EXTREMELY difficult but somehow I manage for fear of jail


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442182 - 05/12/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No one has actually answered yet...


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14442197 - 05/12/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm wondering what you guys think. What percent of people support the drug war because of true moral reasons, and what percent have something to gain? Moral meaning they truly believe all drugs are harmful



I support the drug war because I gain a drug free life. If drugs were legal I would be down in the dumps doing drugs because I have an addiction problem and for some reason get into this mindset that life is short and I should do anything I can to get as much euphoria throughout my life as possible. I convince myself that drugs make my life more enjoyable and that sobriety is for people who like to waste their life when its really the opposite.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14442198 - 05/12/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There are folks who believe that it is immoral to get high.  These feeble minded citizens have been fed lies by those that can gain from prohibition.  I can't give a percentage, but that is how I think it works.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442205 - 05/12/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if drugs we're legal I would take pride in my drugs of choice. Not look down at people who use coke/meth/heroin but just knowing that its right there anytime I would be more responsible and know to stay away..

Portugal didnt have a sizeable increase in drug use.. don't know how parallel that is compared to the states


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14442216 - 05/12/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I LOVE MARY JANE! Would totally blast this out of my house smoking mad weed the day it was legal too.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly]
    #14442218 - 05/12/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have an exact percent, but I think the group of people who are actually concerned would be parents who don't want to see their kids get fucked up on some shit. Probably because they know nothing about drugs or have seen people who get too far into the harder stuff. Then again these parents probably feed their kids fast food..



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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 2
    #14442232 - 05/12/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I support the drug war because I gain a drug free life. If drugs were legal I would be down in the dumps doing drugs because I have an addiction problem and for some reason get into this mindset that life is short and I should do anything I can to get as much euphoria throughout my life as possible. I convince myself that drugs make my life more enjoyable and that sobriety is for people who like to waste their life when its really the opposite.




So people who can take drugs responsibly should be imprisoned for your inability to control yourself ? Would you support alcohol prohibition too ?


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Yacub]
    #14442241 - 05/12/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I support the drug war because I gain a drug free life. If drugs were legal I would be down in the dumps doing drugs because I have an addiction problem and for some reason get into this mindset that life is short and I should do anything I can to get as much euphoria throughout my life as possible. I convince myself that drugs make my life more enjoyable and that sobriety is for people who like to waste their life when its really the opposite.




So people who can take drugs responsibly should be imprisoned for your inability to control yourself ? Would you support alcohol prohibition too ?



No I don't believe in people being punished for my disabilities. The only reason I don't support alcohol prohibition is because I don't like alcohol so its wide access has no negative affect on me.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: learningtofly] * 2
    #14442255 - 05/12/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its kinda sad that people really think they need the government to keep the evil drugs away from them. Take some responsibility for yourself, I think if we legalized drugs and spent 1/8th the money we saved on educating the public about them honestly alot more people would be better off.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium] * 1
    #14442302 - 05/12/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm wondering what you guys think. What percent of people support the drug war because of true moral reasons, and what percent have something to gain? Moral meaning they truly believe all drugs are harmful





The moralists are also imperialists in your example.  Because someone who has a moral reason is trying to impose their particular morality and ideas of what's right and wrong on to you.

For this reason alone, I support the reversing of any law that is based on one individual/groups morality, with no rational reasoning.

Drug laws were made primarily for economic reasons and after generations of lies, confused emotionally driven people still uphold that position... but with no rational thinking behind it.

The real argument of ending prohibition is - What are the next educational steps to encourage harm minimisation, and can the taxes sufficiently support the inevitable problems of those few who abuse.. and, hopefully not only support, but fund health care for all sorts of other research and health/mental health care.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14442313 - 05/12/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

drug war= self-righteous, self centered hypocrisy of how society reacts to issues in life, religion, nationality and a lot of other aspects.

just look at the pharmaceutical and medical industry in the USA and compare. to make yourself realize how sick it all is.

or better yet, conform and dont ponder it. you might lose your mind over it and go on a tirade. :lol:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14442317 - 05/12/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It is all about the money... judges, cops, prisons, dealers, kingpins, lawyers, politicians, supposed religious people, gangs, militaries, etc etc...

if it was a moral thing it would be provided for free and no one would bother with it.  the pros an cons would be available and no money would be tied to it.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: trampis]
    #14442322 - 05/12/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

legalize pot and criminalize monsanto and mckee deez

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I don't have an exact percent, but I think the group of people who are actually concerned would be parents who don't want to see their kids get fucked up on some shit. Probably because they know nothing about drugs or have seen people who get too far into the harder stuff. Then again these parents probably feed their kids fast food..



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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Raw]
    #14442359 - 05/12/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

keep micky dees and ban Monsanto.


Dont have to eat micky dees if you dont want to, but fucking Mansanto is a group of terrorist man.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Raw]
    #14442372 - 05/12/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: trampis]
    #14442382 - 05/12/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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go to google and type "woman faked" and this girl pops up


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Kada]
    #14442397 - 05/12/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I would have a healthy coke habit I'm sure. Cocaine is a hellofadrug.





For some reason I feel the same way.  I'm more of a naturalist, but I use mescaline and it's basically the same thing as cocaine as far as being an extract of a plant.


Cocaine would be *so* cheap if it were legal and I'm sure LOTS of people would have serious habits.

I bet the coffee market would fucking PLUMMET.  Pull your stocks out of that bad boy, that's for sure.



I used to think shit like "man when I get old it'd prolly be alright to be a heroin addict" but fuck that shit man.  Even if heroin were legalized I'd never use it.  It IMO is a parasite; it's a psychoactive parasite.  What it gives, in relation to what it requires of you is so fucked up.


When I get old as shit I'll play Virtual Reality porn MMORPGS that are as real as a wet dream.  Smoke some ganja and then go "slay the dragon".


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: trampis]
    #14442400 - 05/12/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah I found that afterwards..


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: trampis]
    #14442413 - 05/12/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, Starbucks coke factory.


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    #14442434 - 05/12/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i would totally dump a couple teaspoons full into my coffee.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #14442449 - 05/12/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i would totally dump a couple teaspoons full into my coffee.





Two stims?

Mix a little meth in there and call it the "Triple Threat"


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #14442451 - 05/12/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

all junkies should get there fix we profit create harm reduction services eventually drugs become boring all the junkies die we move on drugs legal all of them every damn one


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    #14442487 - 05/12/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I would have a healthy coke habit I'm sure. Cocaine is a hellofadrug.





For some reason I feel the same way.  I'm more of a naturalist, but I use mescaline and it's basically the same thing as cocaine as far as being an extract of a plant.


Cocaine would be *so* cheap if it were legal and I'm sure LOTS of people would have serious habits.

I bet the coffee market would fucking PLUMMET.  Pull your stocks out of that bad boy, that's for sure.



I used to think shit like "man when I get old it'd prolly be alright to be a heroin addict" but fuck that shit man.  Even if heroin were legalized I'd never use it.  It IMO is a parasite; it's a psychoactive parasite.  What it gives, in relation to what it requires of you is so fucked up.


When I get old as shit I'll play Virtual Reality porn MMORPGS that are as real as a wet dream.  Smoke some ganja and then go "slay the dragon".



Every time you post something I do a double take to make sure I didn't post it. lol

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14442490 - 05/12/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fucking weak minded people who can't control themselves is probably a reason why there is a drug war.


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    #14442554 - 05/12/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14442560 - 05/12/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Moral reasons to support the war on drugs? Such as the 35,000+ dead in Mexico as a result of the drug war? The millions wasting their lives in prison? the moral righteousness one feels when they are able to control another persons body? What exactly are the moral reasons to support the war on drugs? I completely deny the possibility of morally supporting the war on drugs. If you claim to support the war on drugs for moral reasons you are a liar.

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14442785 - 05/12/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just to start off on this topic, I am no longer a traditional drug user, but I do drink.


Now this is a topic I am confused on. I am sympathetic towards the pot smoking and hallucinogenic community but I feel nothing but detest and contempt towards the tweeking and the heroin junkies dirtbags. I know some of the more emotional members might feel that it's either all or nothing with the drug war and drug legalization but I do not think it is that easy.

Let me propose something, as a person who  holds some conservative values, I do not know if the reason why at least half of the drug using community ends up left leaning is because of the drug, or because of popular and accepted culture promoted on the television and in music. I honestly believe it is the latter. But let me elaborate on the first topic [legalization of drugs]. I think the radical left is what puts off mainstream society from legalization.

Meth and heroin have done nothing but destroy the users and communities who partake in its use, I believe these drugs should be criminalized for the greater good. But with weed and and hallucinogenics, there is a market for it, and society will not suffer from a certain demographic using it. For example, Amsterdam used to sell Mushrooms until the Swedes starting jumping off of roofs of houses in droves, but I believe with legalization it is possible to "tame the drug" so to speak. But with Heroin and drugs like meth, it is impossible to use these things without developing an addiction, that is why we are better off without them.

The mainstream community is already accepted towards the weed and Hall. community, but anything else is pushing it.
tl;dr

I understand both sides, Puritan sounds good on the ears, but it is hard to practice. Just like saying "legalize everything."


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Newlord]
    #14442801 - 05/12/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bah, provide sources for your presumptions.  Because, although you may be able to see the junkie on the street, vomitting between their knees, and hear the report of some meth addict who raped someone...

There are also the responsible (YES, responsible) folk who enjoy meth or heroin.

THey do exist.

You are playing in to a presumptuous and primarily conservative media-driven smear campaign against these folks, coz there are a few that fuck up bad.

Those people need HELP, not hindrance... and the OVERARCHING fact is that, no matter what.. people will still take what they want, regardless of the law.  Least we can do is help those in need, and leave those who are fine... the fuck alone.


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    #14442816 - 05/12/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You drive a good point with the "People will get high regardless" point, but I will counter with the point of should we legalize identity theft because so many criminals engage in it?


The fact is there is no such thing as a responsible meth or heroin user. At least in my personal experience. I don't know about yours.


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    #14442945 - 05/12/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

People often throw that back at me when I make that point, so I don't think I'm posing it right.

Here we go:

A drug does NOT necessarily lead to someone hurting ANOTHER individual or their property (no matter what you say, because I do know responsible meth users.. in fact.. he's a fucking high school drama teacherm, and just likes meth.. I have other friends who dabble and are responsible people, as well as friends who occassionaly use heroin.  The drug elitism thing is subjective as fuck).

Stealing someone's identity DOES harm, another person's property.

So, the crux there is that, harming another person or their shit is not.  Harm yours all you like, but when it spills over into anothers.. that's breaking the law.


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    #14442998 - 05/12/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You drive a good point with the "People will get high regardless" point, but I will counter with the point of should we legalize identity theft because so many criminals engage in it?


The fact is there is no such thing as a responsible meth or heroin user. At least in my personal experience. I don't know about yours.


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    #14443016 - 05/12/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

TRying...to ... hard.... must... just accept... people... doing what they ... want to do... drug.. ;aws ... destroying.... the wor.lds.

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    #14443018 - 05/12/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)




:huxleyfacepalm:





I am open to your experience with heroin and meth users compared to the responsibility and community cohesion they exhibit.


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    #14443046 - 05/12/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't you see Newlord?!  That is the EXACT argument used against other drug users.. with no founding other than sensationalist nonsense! 

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Drugs are awesome. That is all.


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Don't you see Newlord?!  That is the EXACT argument used against other drug users.. with no founding other than sensationalist nonsense! 

Don't fall prey to that trap....





Indeed, which is what makes debate about complete drug legalization so complicated.


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    #14443084 - 05/12/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, we must not get bogged down in the subjective, and thinking we know what's best for another.. and get to the source!  provide opportunities for people to BE their best, rather than presume they're going to fuck up.  Refer back to my post about where the debate SHOULD be..


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    #14444198 - 05/13/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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its kinda sad that people really think they need the government to keep the evil drugs away from them. Take some responsibility for yourself, I think if we legalized drugs and spent 1/8th the money we saved on educating the public about them honestly alot more people would be better off.





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    #14444222 - 05/13/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I support the drug war in that I think we need to take those guys in Mexico to town. I think we need to knock out their profits before they start going above the border and beheading us, or setting crowded nightclubs on fire, or machine-gunning elementary schools, or any number of known cartel tactics used in Mexico.

I don't support the war on drug users. I think a few are capable of being legalized (weed, LSD, shrooms, things without addictive potential), but we need to have some sort of treatment program for guys who need to get off meth/heroin/opiates and shit like that. Drug addiction isn't a criminal problem to me, it's a social and a health problem. I think if we can shut down cartel activity, or at least curb it, we'd go miles in treating the people who need it, instead of imprisoning everyone equally.


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    #14444730 - 05/13/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.


I used to turn my friends into hardcore junkies I know what they are like and I used to be totally addicted to speed I couldn't even watch somebody else doing it without getting heavily fiended. I love drugs and I'm just glad I don't have easy access to them





where do you live?  under a rock?  drugs like meth and heroin are rampant even in the smallest of towns.  your logic is so skewed and selfish!

according to this logic, the drug laws are fine the way they are because YOU wouldn't be able to control yourself if they change, meanwhile people everywhere are getting locked in cages for non-violent drug offenses.  some, never even getting caught with any substance, are getting LIFE in prison.  this is ok with you??????

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    #14444830 - 05/13/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Far as I'm concerned the "casualties" of legalization will have gotten a pretty hefty shove from Darwin. If you can't control yourself around hard substances then don't do them, legally or otherwise.  If you can't control your drinking then stay the fuck out of the bar.

Yes, the addicts lining up at dispensaries (stores?) to buy speed would be pretty bad to look at, but people in low-income urban (and sometimes rural) areas get that view already.

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    #14444835 - 05/13/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I support all wars because the world would be jobless without them.

and that would just be too utopian.  :grin:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: yogabunny]
    #14444862 - 05/13/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Newlord said:
You drive a good point with the "People will get high regardless" point, but I will counter with the point of should we legalize identity theft because so many criminals engage in it?


The fact is there is no such thing as a responsible meth or heroin user. At least in my personal experience. I don't know about yours.


:huxleyfacepalm:




I used meth quite a bit for a few months.
I never raped or killed or stole.

The focus is always on the negative actions for hard drugs, because those that use responsibly usually don't show it.
Using your flawed logic, alcohol should also be banned. Because there are A LOT more rapes and crimes committed on alcohol.

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If drugs were legal I would be on heroin and meth right now, thankfully i don't have easy access to them right now.


I used to turn my friends into hardcore junkies I know what they are like and I used to be totally addicted to speed I couldn't even watch somebody else doing it without getting heavily fiended. I love drugs and I'm just glad I don't have easy access to them





where do you live?  under a rock?  drugs like meth and heroin are rampant even in the smallest of towns.  your logic is so skewed and selfish!

according to this logic, the drug laws are fine the way they are because YOU wouldn't be able to control yourself if they change, meanwhile people everywhere are getting locked in cages for non-violent drug offenses.  some, never even getting caught with any substance, are getting LIFE in prison.  this is ok with you??????

the consequences of this war on drugs are bigger than many of you are able to imagine and there's a lot more to consider than the people who get addicted to these substances.  but people who do get addicted need help, not to be locked up.




QFT.
In fact its quite selfish and irresponsible of you learningtofly to suggest that others should be punished because you cannot control yourself. And the punishment is not just not having ready access, but prison, death, etc.
Takes some damn responsibility for your actions.
If you cannot control yourself, learn to, get help to, etc.
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Far as I'm concerned the "casualties" of legalization will have gotten a pretty hefty shove from Darwin. If you can't control yourself around hard substances then don't do them, legally or otherwise.  If you can't control your drinking then stay the fuck out of the bar.

Yes, the addicts lining up at dispensaries (stores?) to buy speed would be pretty bad to look at, but people in low-income urban (and sometimes rural) areas get that view already.

Social health not reprimand, etc, etc.




amen.


the government cannot protect us from ourselves.  the war on drugs has proved this, lol.  for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness.  whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this.  if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.

my point is why not try a new way?  a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.

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    #14444922 - 05/13/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets.
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We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets.
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    #14444948 - 05/13/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets.
Let's get our change.:peace:





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    #14444950 - 05/13/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14444968 - 05/13/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I doubt it, there really are plenty of dumb fish who support the drug war, while doing drugs themselves. :shrug:


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Yeah man, the drugs I sell would be worthless without the war :tongue:


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I doubt it, there really are plenty of dumb fish who support the drug war, while doing drugs themselves. :shrug:






When it comes to the drug war I really will never understand how someone could be
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cost lives and countless amounts of money.

All to keep people safe :facepalm:

Making drugs legal is not going to make everyone run out and shoot up. Its readily
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    #14444994 - 05/13/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dealers who support the war aren't dumb, just selfish.
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iwasaClown said:
We need to quit yappin' so much and start marching the streets.
Let's get our change.:peace:





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    #14445157 - 05/13/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm wondering what you guys think. What percent of people support the drug war because of true moral reasons, and what percent have something to gain? Moral meaning they truly believe all drugs are harmful




I support the war against cocaine, heroin and methamphetamines. Because they can kill you or get you addicted.

The rest is a waste of time. Theres no way cops are gonna stop people from smoking weed...


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    #14445180 - 05/13/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I support the drug war in that I think we need to take those guys in Mexico to town. I think we need to knock out their profits before they start going above the border and beheading us, or setting crowded nightclubs on fire, or machine-gunning elementary schools, or any number of known cartel tactics used in Mexico.

I don't support the war on drug users. I think a few are capable of being legalized (weed, LSD, shrooms, things without addictive potential), but we need to have some sort of treatment program for guys who need to get off meth/heroin/opiates and shit like that. Drug addiction isn't a criminal problem to me, it's a social and a health problem. I think if we can shut down cartel activity, or at least curb it, we'd go miles in treating the people who need it, instead of imprisoning everyone equally.




legalize. boom their hole profit margin gets FUCKED UP..
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no way cocaine would be worth 2/3rd the price of gold (G for G, Oz. for Oz.) if it were legal. BAM right there way less incentive to be violent..


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    #14445198 - 05/13/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think most supporters of the drug war have been persuaded by the public safety angle that it's sold under. but i also get the impression that more and more people are beginning to see how monstrous it is. the drug war does not serve the public interest in any capacity, and all that prohibition does is fuel the black market and the entities who control it, puts age restriction and purity regulation out of the hands of the government, and victimizes generations of people via the legal system. that's not to mention all of the human lives it claims.

america's war on drugs will be remembered in history as one of its darkest periods. i'd be interested to know what has caused a larger government expansion between the fda, the dea and the prisons that are being built faster than shopping malls and the war on terror and homeland security. we love our wars. we're such a sick country atm.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Patlal]
    #14445210 - 05/13/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Patlal, you wouldn't support legalizing across the board?

I mean think of EVERYTHING that goes in the heroin business, from the Opium farmers to the terrorist making money off the wholesale and buying weapons with the money, to the drug smuggling and all the money spent incarcerating people around the world, think of all the cops and people who die as 3rd parties to the drug war, think of all the kids exposed to these hard drugs without being honestly educated about them, think of the money that young poor people see others making in the drug game, think of all the people killed, not because of the drugs themselves but because of the artificially raised prices..

I think if we legalized, most americans would not have a hard time saying no to Coke, H, or tweek


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    #14445235 - 05/13/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if we legalized "pleasure drugs", there would be a spike in experimentation, but i would assert that the amount of addicts would probably remain the same after the initial phase.

i think a big component that we lack even in regard to alcohol is lack of educating the public about responsible use. that's a big reason why we have collegiate binge drinking (an almost purely american phenomenon). i think letting the public know the facts about what they're ingesting, keeping it age restricted like alcohol, and redirecting the money we're putting into the prison system into rehab centers and other stuff like, oh i don't know, feeding and sheltering the homeless, would be a more constructive approach to the fact that people are going to alter their consciousness regardless of penalty of law.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: millzy]
    #14445263 - 05/13/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14445454 - 05/13/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal, you wouldn't support legalizing across the board?

I mean think of EVERYTHING that goes in the heroin business, from the Opium farmers to the terrorist making money off the wholesale and buying weapons with the money, to the drug smuggling and all the money spent incarcerating people around the world, think of all the cops and people who die as 3rd parties to the drug war, think of all the kids exposed to these hard drugs without being honestly educated about them, think of the money that young poor people see others making in the drug game, think of all the people killed, not because of the drugs themselves but because of the artificially raised prices..

I think if we legalized, most americans would not have a hard time saying no to Coke, H, or tweek




Hmmm. When you put it like that...

I dunno. If it was that simple, they would already be legal.

Its a hard thing to measure since they never were legal. We have nothing to compare too. all we have is the results of them being illegal.

Its really hard for me to believe this idealist thought that legalization would screw up the black market too. Seems too simple. Again, if it was that simple, it would of been done already.

As for regular people saying no to the drugs, the best example I can give you is alcohol. Most people drink cause its legal. It coke were to be legal perhaps people would be more inclined to try it. which would result in a higher addicted population.

Its all speculations. I would love to give it a shot and see what happens though


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: millzy] * 1
    #14445460 - 05/13/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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millzy said:
moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.




The US is not fighting the poppy fields, we are protecting them.  The taliban almost wiped out opium production and after we went in there Afghanistan became the world's largest supplier.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: amilibertine]
    #14445538 - 05/13/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how would it not fuck up the  black market? Go read about alcohol prohibition for an hour and you'll see how legalizing takes out the black market, it happened virtually overnight after prohibition was ended.


And heroin/opiates/cocaine were legal man.. people did them. People learned not to do
them, we would have even more quality control now..

Seriously man it really is that easy. Street dealer can't compete with capitalism


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14446041 - 05/13/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When it comes to the drug war I really will never understand how someone could be
so stupid in supporting such a thing. Every which way you look at it you should be
able to see that it has never helped. It has been failing for years and years and has
cost lives and countless amounts of money.

All to keep people safe :facepalm:

Making drugs legal is not going to make everyone run out and shoot up. Its readily
available right now. The people who are going to do the drugs are going to do them
one way or another anyways.

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
    #14446092 - 05/13/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think support for the drug war comes down to one thing:  Fear

There's a fear that if we legalize drugs, then they'll be everywhere and people will start selling drugs to your kids.  Or in some cases, people see the harm that the drug war is causing, and attribute that harm to the drugs themselves.  That's why support for the drug war is higher among the communities that are most victimized by it, such as African Americans.

Overall, though, I think the fear is less descriptive than that.  People tend to have a general fear of the unknown.  It's the same fear that leads to homophobia, racism, xenophobia, and all other kinds of bigotry.  People have this box that comprises their world, and anything foreign that tries to get into that box must be exterminated.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Silversoul]
    #14446122 - 05/13/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

9/10s of the law is possession

this would put a lot of people out of work

im not in full support of the drug law being abolished anytime soon

i think we should def legalize pot everywhere though


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14446352 - 05/13/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
how would it not fuck up the  black market? Go read about alcohol prohibition for an hour and you'll see how legalizing takes out the black market, it happened virtually overnight after prohibition was ended.


And heroin/opiates/cocaine were legal man.. people did them. People learned not to do
them, we would have even more quality control now..

Seriously man it really is that easy. Street dealer can't compete with capitalism




Perhaps your right.

We need people like you in the senate to push these facts until someone listens


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: amilibertine]
    #14446585 - 05/13/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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millzy said:
moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.




The US is not fighting the poppy fields, we are protecting them.  The taliban almost wiped out opium production and after we went in there Afghanistan became the world's largest supplier.




then the plan the eu was talking about has been enacted and adopted by us as well. the story i heard on that is admittedly a couple of years old. i didn't realize it went through. cool.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: yogabunny]
    #14448022 - 05/13/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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yogabunny said:
amen.


the government cannot protect us from ourselves.  the war on drugs has proved this, lol.  for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness.  whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this.  if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.

my point is why not try a new way?  a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.

imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?




QFT.  Right on the money yogabunny.:thumbup:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14448081 - 05/13/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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physicist said:
Quote:

yogabunny said:
amen.


the government cannot protect us from ourselves.  the war on drugs has proved this, lol.  for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness.  whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this.  if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.

my point is why not try a new way?  a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.

imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?




QFT.  Right on the money yogabunny.:thumbup:





Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people??
Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14448724 - 05/13/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Quote:

physicist said:
Quote:

yogabunny said:
amen.


the government cannot protect us from ourselves.  the war on drugs has proved this, lol.  for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness.  whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this.  if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.

my point is why not try a new way?  a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.

imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?




QFT.  Right on the money yogabunny.:thumbup:





Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people??
Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!





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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
    #14448736 - 05/13/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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skatealex2 said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

physicist said:
Quote:

yogabunny said:
amen.


the government cannot protect us from ourselves.  the war on drugs has proved this, lol.  for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness.  whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this.  if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place.  SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.

my point is why not try a new way?  a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.

imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?




QFT.  Right on the money yogabunny.:thumbup:





Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people??
Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!





:sheeple:




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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14448775 - 05/13/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it is pretty damn pathetic. i can't help but facepalm all the so called anti-drug people or drug war supporters.    i think about this too sometimes, how fucking stupid people are who support throwing people in jail for having drugs. fucking stupid ass society what can i say :shrug:

its basically - 60 years of headlines on people being thrown in jail for drug charges and smoking weed and raiding states that use medical marijuana and people outside of the counter cultures don't seem to give a flying fuck and everyone is concerned about the children, yet kids can get cannabis easier themselves than many adults can :facepalm:

i think the war on drugs is bound to collapse eventually though, regardless how long that will take. definetely not with the current administration tho , bunch of fucking puppets :rofl:


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14448833 - 05/13/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)




this song sums up my views on the "money" war also. enjoy.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
    #14448842 - 05/13/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.

then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut the hell up.

it just frustrated me that even a program that was able to view the marijuana legalization movement without being biased against the idea of it still took the nancy fucking reagan position when it came to anything else. guess I should have expected it.


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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Pigasus]
    #14448906 - 05/14/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.

then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut up.





I have seen the exact same show.

The war on drugs is a fucking joke. Its a painfully obvious example of the overall
outlook, policy, actions or agenda of this establishment or rather what this
establishment has become. How does anyone feel comfortable with these type of
government officials at the the helm? To trust in all that they do?

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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14448931 - 05/14/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Pigasus said:
I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.

then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut up.





I have seen the exact same show.

The war on drugs is a fucking joke. Its a painfully obvious example of the overall
outlook, policy, actions or agenda of this establishment or rather what this
establishment has become. How does anyone feel comfortable with these type of
government officials at the the helm? To trust in all that they do?

:foreheadslap:




I also recently saw that history channel special about cannabis that had everyone from DEA agents to joe rogan, and this police chief or something was saying that he thought it was nonsense that the fact that alcohol is legal should lend legitimacy to the legalization argument because HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT THE REPEALING OF PROHIBITION WAS A GOOD IDEA.

that shit dropped my jaw, I assumed most people these days take the fact that alcohol prohibition was a failure as a given.


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    #14450341 - 05/14/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm:


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