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Silversoul
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Tritium]
#14446092 - 05/13/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think support for the drug war comes down to one thing: Fear
There's a fear that if we legalize drugs, then they'll be everywhere and people will start selling drugs to your kids. Or in some cases, people see the harm that the drug war is causing, and attribute that harm to the drugs themselves. That's why support for the drug war is higher among the communities that are most victimized by it, such as African Americans.
Overall, though, I think the fear is less descriptive than that. People tend to have a general fear of the unknown. It's the same fear that leads to homophobia, racism, xenophobia, and all other kinds of bigotry. People have this box that comprises their world, and anything foreign that tries to get into that box must be exterminated.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Silversoul]
#14446122 - 05/13/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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9/10s of the law is possession
this would put a lot of people out of work
im not in full support of the drug law being abolished anytime soon
i think we should def legalize pot everywhere though
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realfuzzhead said: how would it not fuck up the black market? Go read about alcohol prohibition for an hour and you'll see how legalizing takes out the black market, it happened virtually overnight after prohibition was ended.
And heroin/opiates/cocaine were legal man.. people did them. People learned not to do them, we would have even more quality control now..
Seriously man it really is that easy. Street dealer can't compete with capitalism
Perhaps your right.
We need people like you in the senate to push these facts until someone listens
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millzy said: moreover, with the opiate trade, i know the eu had a plan on the table for their pharm companies to start buying from afghan farmers. as it stands now, amurika comes in and razes their crops and the taliban steps in and helps them rebuild for some points on the back end. drug money is a huge part of how they get funding for weaponry. not destroying people's lively hood over a completely corrupt ideology just might help smooth things over on the foreign policy front. i'm sure it may have an equally positive effect in south america as well. i'm a conflicted on dealing with the cartels as legitimate businesses though.
The US is not fighting the poppy fields, we are protecting them. The taliban almost wiped out opium production and after we went in there Afghanistan became the world's largest supplier.
then the plan the eu was talking about has been enacted and adopted by us as well. the story i heard on that is admittedly a couple of years old. i didn't realize it went through. cool.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: yogabunny]
#14448022 - 05/13/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: amen.
the government cannot protect us from ourselves. the war on drugs has proved this, lol. for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness. whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this. if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place. SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.
my point is why not try a new way? a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.
imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?
QFT. Right on the money yogabunny.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14448081 - 05/13/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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physicist said:
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yogabunny said: amen.
the government cannot protect us from ourselves. the war on drugs has proved this, lol. for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness. whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this. if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place. SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.
my point is why not try a new way? a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.
imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?
QFT. Right on the money yogabunny.
Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people?? Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14448724 - 05/13/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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physicist said:
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yogabunny said: amen.
the government cannot protect us from ourselves. the war on drugs has proved this, lol. for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness. whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this. if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place. SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.
my point is why not try a new way? a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.
imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?
QFT. Right on the money yogabunny.
Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people?? Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
#14448736 - 05/13/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: amen.
the government cannot protect us from ourselves. the war on drugs has proved this, lol. for thousands of years human beings have wanted to alter their consciousness. whether drugs are legal or illegal is not going to change this. if we "take down" a mexican drug cartel, another one is going to pop up in it's place. SUPPLY AND DEMAND PEOPLE.
my point is why not try a new way? a way in which trillions of dollars are fed into education, scientific research, harm reduction, REAL EFFECTIVE THERAPY for addicts, and I don't know....exploring the motherfucking universe; instead of the prison industrial complex.
imagine a world in which we all take charge of our health and well being and stop allowing ourselves to manipulated into acting and being motivated by FEAR?
QFT. Right on the money yogabunny.
Hell yeah Yoga!! It really is as simple as that. What the fuck is wrong with people?? Why do they blindly except this war!?!?! God damn its so maddening!
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14448775 - 05/13/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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it is pretty damn pathetic. i can't help but facepalm all the so called anti-drug people or drug war supporters. i think about this too sometimes, how fucking stupid people are who support throwing people in jail for having drugs. fucking stupid ass society what can i say 
its basically - 60 years of headlines on people being thrown in jail for drug charges and smoking weed and raiding states that use medical marijuana and people outside of the counter cultures don't seem to give a flying fuck and everyone is concerned about the children, yet kids can get cannabis easier themselves than many adults can 
i think the war on drugs is bound to collapse eventually though, regardless how long that will take. definetely not with the current administration tho , bunch of fucking puppets 
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14448833 - 05/13/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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this song sums up my views on the "money" war also. enjoy.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: skatealex2]
#14448842 - 05/13/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.
then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut the hell up.
it just frustrated me that even a program that was able to view the marijuana legalization movement without being biased against the idea of it still took the nancy fucking reagan position when it came to anything else. guess I should have expected it.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Pigasus]
#14448906 - 05/14/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pigasus said: I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.
then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut up.
I have seen the exact same show.
The war on drugs is a fucking joke. Its a painfully obvious example of the overall outlook, policy, actions or agenda of this establishment or rather what this establishment has become. How does anyone feel comfortable with these type of government officials at the the helm? To trust in all that they do?
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: DeadHearts]
#14448931 - 05/14/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pigasus said: I remember seeing one of those MSNBC "marijuana nation" programs late at night, and they were talking about portugal's drug decriminalization policy where if you get caught you're just given a counseling session and can choose whether or not you want to go into treatment.
then this "journalist" woman proceeded to interview this portuguese government official as if he was fucking nuts for even considering that not putting drug users in jail for personal use would be a good idea. fortunately the guy calmly and confidently explained that addiction should be treated as a public health issue and not a criminal issue and that treatment is a lot more likely to help a person with overcoming their addiction than imprisonment. bitch should have looked at the statistics and shut up.
I have seen the exact same show.
The war on drugs is a fucking joke. Its a painfully obvious example of the overall outlook, policy, actions or agenda of this establishment or rather what this establishment has become. How does anyone feel comfortable with these type of government officials at the the helm? To trust in all that they do?

I also recently saw that history channel special about cannabis that had everyone from DEA agents to joe rogan, and this police chief or something was saying that he thought it was nonsense that the fact that alcohol is legal should lend legitimacy to the legalization argument because HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT THE REPEALING OF PROHIBITION WAS A GOOD IDEA.
that shit dropped my jaw, I assumed most people these days take the fact that alcohol prohibition was a failure as a given.
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Re: Drug war supporters [Re: Pigasus]
#14450341 - 05/14/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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