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theVA
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newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics
#14441982 - 05/12/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey guys, so this is my first time growing. only one of my BR-verm- cakes colonized successfully. the other three showed no growth at all. i assumed this was because i hadn't mixed the spores in the syringe enough.
anyway so after it had colonzed i could see some yellowish fluid in the cake, i believe this is myc piss. however after birthing, there are still some yellowish areas around the cake. there are also some strange growths with a few drops of clear fluid on them.
i dont know if this is normal or if its contaminated and i should just throw it out. the pic on the right was taken 3 days later if it matters at all
i have some high-res photos. just want some advice from some of the more experienced fellow hobbyists
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14442021 - 05/12/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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looks like some normal bacterias.
you should put foil between your cakes and the perlite.
also increase fresh air exchange.
you arent getting enough.
and i think your fruiting chamber is built incorrectly
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14442071 - 05/12/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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did you dunk? and you will get better flushes with a roll in vermiculite after the 24 hour dunk...
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theVA
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14442233 - 05/12/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, ill put some foil in. i usually fan the chamber out 5-7 times a day, should i put some holes in for better air exchange?
i cant really get a better terrarium but do would darkening the sides, like covering it with paper or something opaque, improve it?
and lastly, if its bacteria should i discard the cake or let it fruit?
thanks alot for the help, its really cool that this community exists
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theVA
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: zydisqwap]
#14442243 - 05/12/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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no i didnt. thanks ill keep that in mind for the next batch, ive heard cold shocking also improves the flush? should i just leave the cakes in the fridge for a day before moving to the fruiting chamber?
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k00laid
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14442780 - 05/12/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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cubensis is a tropical species.
do not cold shock
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theVA
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14442836 - 05/12/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks
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k00laid
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14442859 - 05/12/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
theVA said: i cant really get a better terrarium but do would darkening the sides, like covering it with paper or something opaque,
you should read this link http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
and i stress the word read. the vids are cool and all. but you need to read how to build a proper fruiting chamber for your cakes.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14442881 - 05/12/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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that yellowing looks fine. nothing to worry about.
always dunk cakes, but not in the fridge. 12-24 hours and then roll in vermiculite.
if you have yellow balls of moisture on your cakes, thats cool. just myc piss. i usually absorb it up with a paper towel.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: Ajaxx]
#14443531 - 05/13/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to disagree again, this is JMO but the outer layer on those cakes looks like the sandy texture of the beginning phase of trich. There is a certain candy coating looking layer that looks exactly like myc at the first stage of trichoderma growth, it covers the myc in a few days and then turns green when mature releasing millions of spores into your home/grow area.(I have seen it in person, I thought, wow the myc is colonizing the outside of that cake...NOPE it was trich)I removed the cake after soaking it with lysol and watching it bubble so as not to disturb it and release more spores and then emptied a can of oust while walking through the house. Keep an eye on those, I have a feeling they could turn green any day now. JMHO, I hope I am wrong.
The yellowing looks like a lack of water due to the thickness of the surface, it could be a dead layer of myc on the oustide.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14444323 - 05/13/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think youre paranoid dude. yellowing is normal. metabolites are normal. whenever ive seen trich, theres no warning signs. it just pops up real quick.
those cakes look fine to me.
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3n1gm4
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: Ajaxx]
#14444590 - 05/13/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whenever I have seen trich it looks like bright white myc, grows really fast, and turns green overnight.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14444629 - 05/13/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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after a while you can see trich myc from cubensis myc.
but this dude has a water problem and an air exchange problem.
his cakes are sitting directly on the perlite and he has no holes in his fruiting chamber
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14444683 - 05/13/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If they had white chocolate magic shell ice cream topping with sand in it, and your cake was a scoop of ice cream, thats what trich looked like to me.
I have also had other molds but trich is the trickiest, it will sneak up and antique your cakes and then put it on youtube with your cell #, name, and email. Quote:
k00laid said: after a while you can see trich myc from cubensis myc.
but this dude has a water problem and an air exchange problem.
his cakes are sitting directly on the perlite and he has no holes in his fruiting chamber
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14447293 - 05/13/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok guys, so a put a piece of foil between the cake and pearlite. i cant modify this terarrium but it was cheap so for the next batch ill be sure to put some holes on all sides of the chamber and probably a bit more pearlite. ill also remember to dunk and roll in dry verm.
if it does end up to be contams, i'll just discard the whole chamber so i dont release spores in place..
i will let it grow for a while longer and monitor it. in the meantime ill research trych, see what i can find out.
thanks for the terrarium tek video link, it was very helpful..
once again, thanks for all the support and advice guys.
if its a good flush ill be sure to post some pics.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14447391 - 05/13/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whats the chamber smell like? Old Sneakers or a smell of shrooms. I know this is your 1st grow, but a foul oder says it all. Did you smell the cakes when you birthed them and does it smell the same now in your FC?
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: mabachko]
#14448041 - 05/13/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well i dont know what theyre supposed to smell like.. but it smells a little odd.. if it is bad i assume the smell will get worse, right? so if it does start to smell like sneakers, ill chuck it out
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14448142 - 05/13/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a hard one and I remember my first grow. I smelled the cakes when I opened the jars and it was an odd smell, but I had never grew mushrooms before. But I kept on smelling the FC & the oder really didn't differ that much. After a few grows I learned that you can tell if your misting to much or not fanning enough. Just little changes as my SGFC is not exactly up to specs. The best I can tell you is to keep an eye on them for any progressive growths (GREEN). Don't worry about bluing, that just means your misting to hard, and need to let the mist drop on them instead, so don't do that. I think you'll be fine. Good Luck
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14448170 - 05/13/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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theVA said: hey guys, so this is my first time growing. only one of my BR-verm- cakes colonized successfully. the other three showed no growth at all. i assumed this was because i hadn't mixed the spores in the syringe enough.
anyway so after it had colonzed i could see some yellowish fluid in the cake, i believe this is myc piss. however after birthing, there are still some yellowish areas around the cake. there are also some strange growths with a few drops of clear fluid on them.
i dont know if this is normal or if its contaminated and i should just throw it out. the pic on the right was taken 3 days later if it matters at all
i have some high-res photos. just want some advice from some of the more experienced fellow hobbyists 
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14448437 - 05/13/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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WTH does that mean?
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theVA
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: mabachko]
#14448984 - 05/14/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks alot. yeah ill be sure to watch out for any green growth. how long do you think it will take until they start to grow?
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k00laid
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14450429 - 05/14/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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theVA said: how long do you think it will take until they start to grow?
depends if you've fixed your fruiting chamber or not.
and the link for the terrarium tek has more important information than the video.
you need to READ that whole webpage. skip the video. cuz people seem to think that the video is the bottom of the webpage. its not.
read EVERYTHING.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14452790 - 05/14/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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add holes to FC.. having PF cakes that are fully colonized contam before the first flush is rare.
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theVA
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: k00laid]
#14452835 - 05/14/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh no i did read it and i bookmarked the page for later.thanks ill see if i can borrow a drill from someone for the holes,.
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: theVA]
#14454035 - 05/14/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wtf r u growin with a cake that looks like that it doesnt even look like a cake at all
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Re: newbie question, yellowish colour.. not sure if bruising or contams.. plz see pics [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14455185 - 05/15/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, you don't need to throw out the whole FC, just get a plastic bag and turn it inside out on your hand, lysol the cake and carefully grab the contamed cake, if it contams green, with the bag and fold the bag over the contamed cake and tie it off. If it is just a bacterial contam which is what it looks like you might have ATM then it won't spread like mold will, although in the close ups of your cakes they look hauntingly familiar, sandy consistency almost like my cakes that had trich. After you get rid of a contamed cake you can take one sprayer filled with vinegar and one sprayer with peroxide, then you empty the FC and clean the whole room. If a cake has trich and turns green it will get mold spores all over the room and even throughout the whole house not just the FC. Throwing out the FC wouldn't get rid of the trich spores.
Your best bet when something turns green is to lysol and carefully remove the contamed items from the FC and then clean the whole FC and room by spraying a mist of vinegar and a mist of peroxide on top of that and then wipe dry. That cleaning method will kill anything including the skin on your finger so wear gloves. After or before you clean the surfaces Oust will reduce the amount of contams floating in the air. After cleaning the room and FC clean your clothes and shower because the spores will be on you too.
Hopefully it doesn't turn green but if it does throwing away the FC won't solve the problem.
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (05/15/11 08:54 AM)
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