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Quote: dwpineal said: "If we can teach one child, 'look, the first time you try something it can kill you,' then this ordeal will not have been a total loss," Wolf said. "We are lucky to be sitting here right now."
It can kill you if you're irresponsible about dosing and don't research things carefully beforehand. If you're going to try new drugs at least make sure you're read up on the subject and know what you're doing. If not then you're the one who is mostly at fault, not the drug.
Quote: HybridprX said: Pretty sad, I dont like reading about kids that never even had a chance to experience the fun you can without even taking drugs. Want a high? try skydiving, your brain will produce enough endorphins to last you a month.
Chems should be purchased from established chemists who devote their lives to the practice, not some melon head brewing the shit in a bath tub and selling it online.
I very much agree, It's very tragic and sad.It seems kids today were never taught how to really have fun like my generation were, Mountain climbing, fishing, spelunking, swimming, sex, love, and so on. How sick times have gotten that these kids have to resort to some crazy as RC drug to experience "FUN" so very sad..
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And any drug that can literally cook your insides at 109 degrees, make you cough up blood and go into mass seizures probably isn't the wisest drug to have out there for the general public to use as a recreational substance. The fact that it is so different than the other "natural" psychedelics isn't a good enough reason in my world to keep it out there for my kids to possibly die on? No good time is worth dieing over, to many have been lost already!! "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them. My heart goes out to there family,friends & love one's.
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Quote: Samurai Drifter said: Yeah, 2c-e is an awesome psychedelic. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about.
Maybe you don't know what he's talking about. It sounds to me like he's referring to the fact that
A. 2c-e is commonly taken in 20mg doses, kids here possibly ate 6x that experiencing death, coma etc. (dangerous active dose/ld50)
B. LSD is commonly taken in doses of 100 ug, with reported doses of 250mg being taken (Robert hunter) with no negative effects. (ridiculously large margin between active dose/ld50.)
I agree with him, except for the fact i belive that LSD and 2c-e should be unbanned. That way these kids could have said "I'm tired of LSD, let's try 2c-e." then they go to the store and buy tablets with labels reading
"each pill contains 10 mg 2c-e. DO NOT take more than 4-5 in one setting or else you risk coma or death."
That way a 120mg dose is easily avoided. Assuming this even was 2c-e.
Quote: Altered States said: "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.
Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.
na, pharma drugs are the #1 killer. what he means is obviously in the psychedelic genre, mescaline and weed etc.
What the media does here, is nothing but promote the drugs and tell you where to get it. and they arent even telling us what exactly is the cause of death and toxicity of it. only this year, a 18, 22 and 29 year old dead from 2cEE? all of them in the united states.
and about acid, acid is also a research chemical, it just happens to be the most studied one. as I said earlier :|
Quote: Altered States said: "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.
Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.
I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa... Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did. Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)
The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.
Quote: Altered States said: "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.
Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.
I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa... Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did. Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)
The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.
What natural psychedelic drugs kill more people than these synthetic RC"S? RC'S are not sold as recreational or experimental drugs for human consumption. There sold as research chemicals!! All drugs that are meant for human consumption have the proper regulations "in most cases" to keep people from ODing and killing themselves. There's nothing good that can come out of these new designer drugs in my opinion. There to dangerous and not tested enough. A psychedelic experience is not worth destroying your body or dieing for!! There's nothing more you can get from RC"S that you cant get from the "NATURAL" psychedelics that are safe and non deadly, like mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca, peyote and mescaline.This isn't rocket science and it doest take a genius to understand that these substances that are killing people are obviously bad stuff!!
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Seminole County releases 2C-E
overdose 911 call
May 12, 2011 - newsok.com
KONAWA — Authorities released a 911 recording Wednesday of a man
desperately seeking help while people coughed and screamed at a party
where they were sickened by a hallucinogenic designer drug.
One woman died, and seven others were hospitalized after taking the
drug 2C-E, also called phenethylamine.
Ricky Prindle, one of the partygoers who did not ingest the drug, which
was purchased on the Internet, called emergency services early Saturday
after Anastasia “Stacy” Jewell, 22, of Ada, started having seizures.
Prindle told the dispatcher she was spitting up blood. He can be heard
trying to revive Jewell by calling her name several times. He told the
dispatcher she was unresponsive but still breathing.
The dispatcher asked whether they had been drinking, and Prindle said
his friends had taken “some sort of hallucinogen” but he said he wasn't
sure exactly what they'd ingested.
Prindle's phone calls to emergency services start out frantically as he
attempts to explain the location of the party on State Highway 9A in a
rural area between Konawa and Maud in Seminole County.
A man's screams are heard in the background throughout the two phone
calls made to emergency services. Prindle told the dispatcher Jewell
and the man heard shouting were coughing up small amounts of blood.
Prindle said one man was shouting and rolling on the floor. He called
dispatch a second time to report Jewell was having another seizure.
Prindle told the dispatcher Jewell was still coughing up blood and,
“she is really hot ... she's burning up.”
Jewell was pronounced dead Saturday at Integris Seminole Medical
Center. Her funeral is set for 10 a.m. Thursday at Grace Christian
Fellowship in Ada.
Konawa City Manager Rita LoPresto in a written statement said Konawa
first responders Richard Mophis and Zack Christian arrived at a chaotic
scene that morning. They sent out a desperate call for assistance and
more ambulance workers. Police and firefighters awoke to respond to the
scene to help triage victims.
“There's no doubt that due to their actions lives were saved,” LoPresto
said.
Two people remain hospitalized
Jewell's boyfriend, Andrew Akerman, remained in critical condition
Wednesday at Valley View Regional Hospital in Ada, a hospital
spokeswoman said. Garrett Minitre was upgraded from serious to fair
condition. Madison Wolf has been released from the hospital.
Erik Michelsen Jr. was released Wednesday evening from Norman Regional
Health System, a hospital spokeswoman said. Josh and Heather Sharber
and Colton Simmons were released earlier this week.
Many of the partygoers were friends and had either attended high school
or college together at East Central University.
Cody Weddle, 20, of Ada, was arraigned Monday in Pontotoc County
District Court on complaints of murder and conspiracy to distribute a
synthetic substance. He has not been charged and has been denied bail.
Court records state Weddle, Jewell and Akerman diluted the drug with
water at Jewell's home on Friday. Weddle returned to his residence, and
Jewell and Akerman took some of the drug to the party to sell, court
records show. Weddle told investigators the solution was supposed to be
further diluted before it was sold.
Officials in Pontotoc County said Akerman was a successful drug court
graduate.
Jewell was arrested in March 2009 and charged with maintaining and
keeping a residence where drugs are kept, and possession of a
controlled substance near a school.
There were 13 people in the home the night police served a search
warrant and found 10 ounces of marijuana there, court records state.
The charges against Jewell were later dismissed.
“My daughter is the last person I thought this would happen to,”
Jewell's mother Lida Beckman told The Oklahoman. “She was a good
daughter.”
Another death being investigated
Officers with the Roff Police Department continue to investigate the
unexplained death of Jeffery Walls, 29. Walls, a construction worker,
was found dead Saturday — the same day people at the party were
sickened by 2C-E.
Assistant Chief Tom Cox said it's still not known if there is a
connection between Walls' death and the party in Konawa.
Police received a call Saturday to a residence in Roff and were told of
a possible death. It wasn't Walls' home.
Walls' obituary states he was born in Ada.
Roff is about 30 miles south of Konawa and about 30 miles east of Pauls
Valley.
Walls had a criminal record and was charged in April with possession of
a controlled dangerous substance and driving under the influence of
drugs.
Pontotoc County District Attorney Chris Ross said Walls was not at the
party where Jewell died Saturday.
Quote: Altered States said: "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.
Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.
I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa... Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did. Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)
The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.
What natural psychedelic drugs kill more people than these synthetic RC"S? RC'S are not sold as recreational or experimental drugs for human consumption. There sold as research chemicals!! All drugs that are meant for human consumption have the proper regulations "in most cases" to keep people from ODing and killing themselves. There's nothing good that can come out of these new designer drugs in my opinion. There to dangerous and not tested enough. A psychedelic experience is not worth destroying your body or dieing for!! There's nothing more you can get from RC"S that you cant get from the "NATURAL" psychedelics that are safe and non deadly, like mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca, peyote and mescaline.This isn't rocket science and it doest take a genius to understand that these substances that are killing people are obviously bad stuff!!
Prohibition is the main reason for these drugs not having regulations and advice on responsible use. Just because a few people have died from 2C-E doesn't make it dangerous. The result of prohibition is they received incorrect information or information not accurately conveyed about the appropriate dosage. Had they bought the drug from a gas station in a labeled package with the advice on dosage and responsible use, no one would have became sick that evening. You can die from drinking too much water, but that doesn't make water dangerous.
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And if you can find true LSD-25 these days more power to you, But what are the chances of that, who knows whats in the stuff theses days, I don't trust it. But yes true LSD-25 is a synthetic psychedelic that is proven non fatal. My point is I know whats in psychedelic mushrooms and the other natural psychedelics. And because of that I'm alive, healthy and not rotting from the inside.
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Quote: ash057 said: seizures and screaming,, not the way I would want to out
QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.
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Quote: ash057 said: seizures and screaming,, not the way I would want to out
QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.
Indeed. I've taken 25mg of 2ce and it was awesome. I put it right up near my best acid dmt and mushroom trips in the total immersion and visual detail aspects. I never once felt any negative body aspects from it. People need to use EROWID!!!!!!!!
Quote: Prohibition is the main reason for these drugs not having regulations and advice on responsible use. Just because a few people have died from 2C-E doesn't make it dangerous. The result of prohibition is they received incorrect information or information not accurately conveyed about the appropriate dosage. Had they bought the drug from a gas station in a labeled package with the advice on dosage and responsible use, no one would have became sick that evening. You can die from drinking too much water, but that doesn't make water dangerous.
First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not. How many times have you taken something against the federally labeled directions to get a fuller experience. The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it, and if I want to stay alive and healthy I probably shouldn't mess with it, federally regulated dosage label or not!! Stick to the naturals,
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Quote: ash057 said: seizures and screaming,, not the way I would want to out
QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.
That makes a whole lot of fucking sense!!! If he is able to even put two thoughts together for the rest of his life considering his brain and internal organs have been cooked like fucking eggs I highly doubt taking the drug that killed the love of life and turned him into a fucking piece of broccoli will be to high on his to do list!! GEEZ!!!! Oh he's got to conquer the drug bra, like totally!! what the fuck, are you serious guy!!
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