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The problem with eating meat
    #14441744 - 05/12/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One of the most direct and devastating forms of environmentally destructive consumption by the rich is found in the practice of meat eating. As societies become more affluent, the rate at which they consume meat tends to increase sharply. Unfortunately, eating meat is generally an environmentally destructive practice, because “meat is a roundabout and energy inefficient way to get nutrients to the human population” .

The sobering fact is that to produce “one kilo of edible meat product” requires the use of “around thirteen kilograms of feed grains” resulting in a huge burden on land use. This enormous use of land results in biodiversity loss and other “environmental losses associated with the industrial production of feed grains and livestock” such as eutrophication and the resulting destruction of marine life.

In essence, the diet-related ecological footprint of a meat eater is probably as much as thirteen times higher than that of a vegan or vegetarian, and each kilo of meat eaten by those wealthy enough to afford it could have provided food for thirteen hungry humans instead.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14441777 - 05/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There are essential amino acids found in meat that the human body cannot produce. Humans are carnivores.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14441789 - 05/12/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I want to add quickly here - that vegetarianism or veganism is not necessarily the answer.

These are industrial, agricultural and distribution problems.

Homo-Sapiens are omnivores. 

We are allowed to eat meat, but it should be produced from an ethical source.  Factory farming does nothing good for anyone.  It also shouldn't be eaten in the quantities it is, but then, nor should out of season fruits and vegetables really be eaten... the distribution and growth is usually costly and environmentally detrimental.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: sk8fast]
    #14441790 - 05/12/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"There are essential amino acids found in meat that the human body cannot produce. Humans are carnivores. "

There is nothing in meat, nutritionally speaking, that cannot be obtained from non-meat sources, including essential amino acids.

Human beings are not carnivores. If anything, we are omnivores. However, eating meat remains a choice, not a necessity, and it is an ecologically unsound choice at that, except in rare situations where (usually indigenous) groups rely on traditional hunting methods.

For most of us in the city, eating meat is a luxury, not a necessity.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: sk8fast]
    #14441795 - 05/12/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There are essential amino acids found in meat that the human body cannot produce.




That is true, but they can all be found in plants as well.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: screenrocker] * 3
    #14441820 - 05/12/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well time to start eating vegans.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: screenrocker]
    #14441822 - 05/12/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Homo-Sapiens.  Neither Carnivore nor Vegetarian.  We are Omnivorous.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: argg] * 1
    #14441829 - 05/12/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well time to start eating vegans.



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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14441847 - 05/12/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
...eating meat is a luxury, not a necessity.


So what?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14441855 - 05/12/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you happen to catch the rest of his post? Try paying special attention to the *context* that comment was made in, so as to properly understand it.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Poid]
    #14441879 - 05/12/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
...eating meat is a luxury, not a necessity.


So what?




I wonder how he justifies using the internet to himself.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14441892 - 05/12/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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screenrocker said:
Did you happen to catch the rest of his post? Try paying special attention to the *context* that comment was made in, so as to properly understand it.


He said "it is an ecologically unsound choice"..a lot of things that benefit us are ecologically unsound, but we still maintain those things regardless of their unsoundness because the pros outweigh the cons.


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Moonshoe said:
...eating meat is a luxury, not a necessity.


So what?




I wonder how he justifies using the internet to himself.


Yeah, I was gonna tell him about that after his next response. :lol:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14441929 - 05/12/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is using the internet equivalent to eating meat?

If so, how ?


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14441948 - 05/12/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They're both luxuries.

Would you mind answering my question?

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Moonshoe said:
...eating meat is a luxury, not a necessity.


So what?




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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: Moonshoe]
    #14441953 - 05/12/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is using the internet equivalent to eating meat?

If so, how ?




I never said it was, you did. You argument for not eating meat is that it is bad for the environment and only a luxury. The internet pollutes the atmosphere with all of the electricity it uses, and last time i checked, it was a "luxury".


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14441963 - 05/12/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm poor as fuck and eat meat. i kill most of it myself. mostly fish.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: broken]
    #14441975 - 05/12/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i'm poor as fuck and eat meat. i kill most of it myself. mostly fish.




I wouldn't disagree that eating meat isn't always a luxury.


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14442544 - 05/12/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I say whatever minor damage grain fields are doing is worth it, America is already fucked environmentally anyways from all the other shit we do. If you think a couple fish swimming through non-lethal fertilizer is bad, you'll probably cry thinking about the catastrophic spill in the Gulf.

And sorry, I'd rather have a pound of meat than 13lbs of grain any day.

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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: argg]
    #14443574 - 05/13/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I abstain from meat partially due to the effect on the environment, but mostly because I don't feel like it's worth inflicting pain on some other creature just so I can enjoy a tasty meal. :shrug:


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Re: The problem with eating meat [Re: 4896744]
    #14444042 - 05/13/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree that there are similarities between eating meat and using the internet. Both are luxuries, and both impact on the environment to some extent.

There are also important differences. Eating meat directly causes the suffering and death of living creatures.
Using the internet does not.

Also, eating meat is an unnecessary way to achieve a certain end (getting nutrients) and a better alternative (vegetarianism) exists.

Using the internet is the only way I know of to participate in a global community of information exchange, and I am not aware of any more eco-friendly option that would allow me to do that.


As for how I justify using the internet, I simply don't see it as a bad or negative thing, so justifying it is not something I worry about.

And anyone who hunts or fishes their own meat, in my opinnion, is exempt from any ecological blame, as eating locally and naturally by hunting or fishing yourself is environmentally friendly in that it reduces transportation and thus carbon emissions, and it is ethically valid in that you can ensure that the animal is slaughtered humanely and not mistreated grotesquely as with factory farmed meat.


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