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Pigasus
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BoneMan said: but not eating meat is not going to do much to stop the slaughter of livestock animals all over the world. the demand is so high. there will always be people who eat meat. maybe we won't be the majority, but the market is too big and too profitable to be eliminated for moral reasons. the best we can do is apply the strictest regulations possible on humane treatment, humane slaughter, and using as many parts of the animal as possible.
regardless of whether my abstaining from animal products will actually change anything, I simply do not feel comfortable supporting an industry that I abhor. as they say, in our capitalist society you vote with your dollars, and every vegan out there is reducing the demand for meat by just a little bit, even if it is miniscule.
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Mush 4 Brains
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I just fail to understand why my desire to avoid causing suffering to other living things could inspire such dislike in you.
Thats not an unreasonable desire necessarily. Id prefer the animals i eat be killed humanely, if not Plenty of human suffering in the world, which comes first imo. Also there is evidence that animals that get treated better taste better. Like Japanese Kobe beef, they even massage the animals.
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Pigasus
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I just fail to understand why my desire to avoid causing suffering to other living things could inspire such dislike in you.
Thats not an unreasonable desire necessarily. Id prefer the animals i eat be killed humanely, if not Plenty of human suffering in the world, which comes first imo. Also there is evidence that animals that get treated better taste better. Like Japanese Kobe beef, they even massage the animals.
as far as the priorities of human suffering vs animal suffering in the world, I see no reason why the decision not to eat animal products would hinder your ability to help fight human suffering as well, so neither one has to "come first"...
and while the whole idea of more compassionate organic farms treating livestock more humanely has caught on somewhat, the overwhelming majority of meat on the market still comes from factory farms. while I respect the efforts of people who try and support these kind of farms, I doubt there are many people who exclusively eat meat that has been raised humanely on these sorts of farms.
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Re: Vegans [Re: g00ru] 1
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propensity said: Seems to conflict with your ideology then. Sounds like you don't actually give a shit about animals as much as your ability to sit atop a moral high horse.
Ex-fucking-actly. Total self-righteous bullshit; 99% of the time, every time. I can't stand this type of snobbery; it's the same shit the God Squads do.
you are confusing a "moral high horse" with an actual high horse that vegans are actually on. personally i do indulge in meat from time to time but i understand that i am in a higher, purer state when i don't. it's a very purifying practice. and the thing is, the only thing a vegan can really appeal to is your intuition, since in many ways it's just the energetic component of not eating food that was directly made through violence.
Direct violence and indirect violence is still violence all the same. I don't understand why vegans seem to be okay with the unnecessary slaughter of animals when they could pick the fields by hand and not a single bunny family has to be harmed. But seriously, at least a meat eater eats animals raised for slaughter; you're killing free roaming animals and not even using their meat - which makes you wasteful as well. The fact is that if you're not plowing the fields with your hoe, growing and picking your own crops, you don't do a single thing to limit animal suffering; you simply cause another and justify it by the "inconvienence" of going the extra step to truly "save the animals"
And it'd be fucking awesome to get raised for slaugter. Fuck it, steroids and all the food I want, bunch of friends in my field and maybe some honeys if I get lucky. I bet a lot of humans would want that life.
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Kid_Orgo



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Pigasus said: and while the whole idea of more compassionate organic farms treating livestock more humanely has caught on somewhat, the overwhelming majority of meat on the market still comes from factory farms. while I respect the efforts of people who try and support these kind of farms, I doubt there are many people who exclusively eat meat that has been raised humanely on these sorts of farms.
Well, there's at least two because the wife and I eat only cage free blah blah blah chicken and free range grass fed blah blah blah beef, produced either in our state or one state over (thanks, Oregon).
The choice isn't just "be a vegan" or "eat factory farmed meat and murder mother earth and totally harsh everyone's buzz," that's a false dichotomy.
Plenty of people are onto the locovore ethical farming trip out here, and I see it as a perfectly valid option.
EDIT: I should add that I don't believe any of this makes me healthier than anybody else, I do it for aesthetic reasons. I also don't believe it's saving the planet, I think the planet is pretty well fucked.
EDIT EDIT: I guess what I'm saying is the factory farming thing getting tangled up in the eat meat or not debate seems like a separate issue. We can all agree that McAgriculture sucks ass.
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CounterCulturest
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The page I'm on...
When people say "You can't make a difference" they are completely wrong. Ive gotten two others into the whole "vegan" thing and that makes a huge difference. It's hundreds, or probably even thousands of dollars a year that we aren't giving to the machine for support. And bottom line, thats a difference. Of course it's not flipping the script immediately. Unfortunately. If I was the only vegan left on the planet I would still not change my ways. Thats just outright hopeless and weak. Most good things take time.
Change has to start somewhere and I'm honored to be a part of that change. No matter how long it takes.
It was without doubt the healthiest choice I have ever made. Both mentally and physically. The cool thing is, the only people who knock it are the ones who haven't tried it. I know many people who have givin it a try out of respect for me and at the very least they gained a new understanding for Vegans and wind up wishing they had enough will power to follow through with it.
Discipline is great for you.
It's nice being a part of something so darn great !
Life is chuck full of choices. Why not try making another good one and see where it takes you ? afraid ? afraid of criticism ? to badass or cool ? got something to prove ?
Worst comes to worst... there's probably a mcdonalds close by that you could go to, drop 5$ and get a whopper. Maybe some diarrhea and colon cancer to if you eat enough of them lol
Oh and one more thing. Going vegan tends to open up all sorts of new doors. Women and food being my two favorites. Ive never met a vegan women that didn't plague my mind for the following week after meeting them. I would never date a non vegetarian girl these days. My gal's gotta have some substance. Oh and the food. changing your diet completely rocks. You tend to get into different ethnic foods. Yum.
Give it a try folks.
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CounterCulturest said: The page I'm on...
When people say "You can't make a difference" they are completely wrong. Ive gotten two others into the whole "vegan" thing and that makes a huge difference. It's hundreds, or probably even thousands of dollars a year that we aren't giving to the machine for support. And bottom line, thats a difference. Of course it's not flipping the script immediately. Unfortunately. If I was the only vegan left on the planet I would still not change my ways. Thats just outright hopeless and weak. Most good things take time.
Change has to start somewhere and I'm honored to be a part of that change. No matter how long it takes.
It was without doubt the healthiest choice I have ever made. Both mentally and physically. The cool thing is, the only people who knock it are the ones who haven't tried it. I know many people who have givin it a try out of respect for me and at the very least they gained a new understanding for Vegans and wind up wishing they had enough will power to follow through with it.
Discipline is great for you.
It's nice being a part of something so darn great !
Life is chuck full of choices. Why not try making another good one and see where it takes you ? afraid ? afraid of criticism ? to badass or cool ? got something to prove ?
Worst comes to worst... there's probably a mcdonalds close by that you could go to, drop 5$ and get a whopper. Maybe some diarrhea and colon cancer to if you eat enough of them lol
Oh and one more thing. Going vegan tends to open up all sorts of new doors. Women and food being my two favorites. Ive never met a vegan women that didn't plague my mind for the following week after meeting them. I would never date a non vegetarian girl these days. My gal's gotta have some substance. Oh and the food. changing your diet completely rocks. You tend to get into different ethnic foods. Yum.
Give it a try folks.
any and all money spent supports the machine.
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Mush 4 Brains
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 tofu boy
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Meat mother fucker meat mother fucker meat mother fucker moo moo moo
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Mush 4 Brains
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Prisoner#1
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SamuelLJackson said: theres no need to take supplements when you eat healthy, and bombing yourself with nutrients like that is largely ineffective due to the fact that you can only absorb a certain amount of nutrients at a time.
that's not really accurate as some nutrients actually block the uptake of others making some supplements and foods nothing more than empty filler, planning a vegan diet is a shitload of work which is why so many people have issues and eventually stop
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Thats just my latest notion of the machine, I know it's usually the gov. Lately I refer to "the man" as Hustlers and or fuckheads.
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Sheekle
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I would be a vegan if society wouldn't look at me so differently and shit. Mainly my family. Actually, idk. Prolly just a vegetarian idk what a vegan is really lol
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Re: Vegans [Re: millar]
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I was a vegetarian up until last year, I watched Earthlings and decided to go vegan. I was surprised about Honey too (I don't like it anyway so heh!): http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm
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