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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14419298 - 05/08/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Re: what she sees in you physically...

Remember, guys value good looks more than girls do, on a whole.  Women appreciate inner strength, passion for life and the future, and the feeling of "safety" with their guy.

Don't confuse "safety" with "boredom" however - physical safety, knowing you'd fight for her and not leave her in the lurch.  It's one of those biological things, women scope out men for their ability to protect her and the young'ns, even if they don't have any desire for young'ns.  Emotional safety is extremely important, too - learn how to deal with your stresses so you don't take it out on her when you're stressed at life.  I can't count how many times I've watched guys have a temper tantrum because they're stressed at work, and lash out in my direction because I'm the closest to them.  (note: those guys aren't in my life anymore)

Note: women often deny their need for safety because they fear it makes them look weak, but deep down, we get wet about men with emotional strength who don't break down and look for a Mommy to care for them.  This is why you'll see "bridge trolls" with beautiful women who are happy to be with their guy.

Being vulnerable with her is not a weak thing, either - as long as it's an honest vulnerability and not one that's an attempt to guilt or obligate her to you, or get her to solve your problems for you.  If your parent is sick and dying, share your heart with her.  If someone at work is making your life hell or she is taking advantage of you, learn to figure out how to deal with it by taking action, with only minimal verbal vents along the way.

It's a tough balance to figure out, I feel like I'm only "getting it" now, and I'm 38!


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14419690 - 05/08/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, It helps if you can get it done in the sack too. :lol:  Which I think I am well over above average in that department if every woman I have ever been with is to be believed.

On a serious note.  I am by no means ugly, just not the type of guy who gets it done on looks alone.  I guess I blend into a crowd well.  I recognize from personal experience that emotional ties are often more important to women than looks.  Every woman I have ever dated has been attractive (to others too, not just me :-) and there has usually been something aside from my looks that attracts them to me.

Its a tough balance as you say, but I also want to point out how much more simple it seems when you are together with someone.  This conversation started with how I needed to do somethings different, or to act in a way that is not entirely natural for me. 

Now, you are saying "be genuine."  Be myself, be strong, treat the other well, don't forget that I am my own person.  This might be a little ahead of my current situation though.  I still feel like I am playing a bit of a game here, although it has gotten fun (thank god, because it wasn't fun there for a while).  She is now the one that is playing catchup :smile:  I think this has put me in a better position in the relationship.  I need to be able to maintain this position. 

We are not in a relationship in any formal sense.  We have discovered how deeply we care about each other.  Our friendship has gotten intensely physical in a hurry.  We have been spending considerably more time with each other.  We got here by experiencing an intense emotional trauma, and simply being honest with each other and coming out with it.

I think the physical aspect of it is helping to simplify this unnecessarily complicated situation.  When her head starts spinning from it all (and mine too), and all the doubts, uncertainties, and insecurities take over.  I just ask her "do you like laying next to me and holding my hand?  Do you like it when I kiss you good night and good morning?  Do you like the absurdly spectacular sex we had? 

To which she emphatically replies "Yes! Yes! Yes!" 

"Then its really not that complicated at all is it?" I say. 

"No, you are right"

Plus, nothing is ever that bad when you are getting busy. :rofl:


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YES! Well fucking done son!

Now, don't fall in love too much or she will get bored, but make sure you also give her the attention she craves.

Im actually so fucking happy and I can't help but think this thread helped you sort out your thoughts to enable you to 'get er done' lol.

Nice one mate.




Thanks man. :smilingpuppy: Yes this thread has absolutely helped me get passed that friends zone.  If it weren't for this forum I would still be stressing over it and unhappy with our situation. 

So really the thanks is to all of you who read my pathetic dribble, and especially responded.  Honestly, I feel like a million bucks right now.  I am sooooooooooo happy.  I even told my mom I got laid...  :grin:


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14429737 - 05/10/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Stop asking for her to soothe your anxieties about how much she likes you, that gets old fast.  It's always better for the guy when the GIRL is the one who is asking insecure questions (and instead of saying "yes", you pin her against the wall and demonstrate your answer).

Also, you can't logic her into a relationship with you.  Until you both agree you're "in a relationship" then the reality is, you're just FWBs.

I still see warning signs, which makes me say "have fun while it lasts, but don't go and tell yourself this is long term until she commits to exclusivity and starts telling people you're her boyfriend".

Fun is fun, but fun doesn't mean shit when it comes to long term commitment.


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14429914 - 05/10/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really know what to make of it all.  I am not really all that insecure about our situation now.

I think you are getting the warning signs from the fact that she is leaving for two months. She asked me if we could just take up the conversation about being "in a relationship" after she gets back.  And I agreed that was a good idea.  Neither of us wants to negotiate a long term relationship two weeks into the beginning of our relationship.  That's just silly.   

I am okay with fun.  I would have a problem if she went and did something with another guy even though we are not "in a relationship."  She knows that.  I guess that's where my insecurity is then.  And I don't really know how to conduct myself (in terms of hooking up) around other women since I don't want to be a hypocrite. 

I guess all I can really do is have fun while it lasts...

You are right, I need to play it a little more cool. I agree.  Its hard though...


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14435771 - 05/11/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Something in this world is conspiring to see me not get laid.  We had plans to spend time together before she leaves, and guess what?  I just came down with a highly contagious deadly form of strep throat.  Estimated duration: all weekend :frown:

Fuck my life...


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14438601 - 05/12/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Men give love for sex.

Women give sex for love.

You're fucking up the formula and giving the love away for free.  Guys who aren't "Just Friends" don't go for that shit.

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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #14438891 - 05/12/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
Men give love for sex.

Women give sex for love.

You're fucking up the formula and giving the love away for free.  Guys who aren't "Just Friends" don't go for that shit.



:wtfsonic:  :yuno:

:House2: There appears to be an issue with the 'formula' op. Although this formula reminds me of the geocentric theory.


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: Lennyk]
    #14439887 - 05/12/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The formula. Of Course!   Stimpy.  You Idiot! You have fucked up the formula again!


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14441385 - 05/12/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

IMHO if you really want this girl in your future now is the time to find other really hot girls to hang out with/fuck.

Then she will be yours forever because everyone wants what they think they can't have.

:2cents:

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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14441653 - 05/12/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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fbi365 said:
I don't really know what to make of it all.  I am not really all that insecure about our situation now.

I think you are getting the warning signs from the fact that she is leaving for two months. She asked me if we could just take up the conversation about being "in a relationship" after she gets back.  And I agreed that was a good idea.  Neither of us wants to negotiate a long term relationship two weeks into the beginning of our relationship.  That's just silly.   





El Oh El.

It's not like you just met this chick.  You've got a history of makeouts while she was with her last boyfriend (red alert!).  You've been friends for how long?  You've spent AT LEAST 6 months wooing her after her breakup with the other guy.  You KNOW you want to be in a serious relationship with her. 

So, since you're not in a relationship with her, not exclusive, does that mean you're also actively dating other chicks?  Or are you going to "wait for her", which means essentially being exclusive to someone who has told you she won't be exclusive to you this summer?

If she comes back after this 2 months and tells you she met someone in the mean time (or just comes back with a STI but doesn't tell you for a long time that she actually fooled around with a few guys during those 2 months?  Note: she doesn't have to ever tell you how many/who she made out with during those 2 months.  You are not exclusive, you have no right to the information.), how are you going to feel about that?  Pretty shitty I'd guess, and pretty resentful because YOU waited for HER and avoided a lot of summertime opportunities.

In fact, I'll bet you'll even feel guilty checking out the women during the summer when they're dressed the sexiest, so you'll refrain from doing that out of loyalty to a girl who has told you she's not ready to be loyal to you.

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I am okay with fun.  I would have a problem if she went and did something with another guy even though we are not "in a relationship."  She knows that.  I guess that's where my insecurity is then.  And I don't really know how to conduct myself (in terms of hooking up) around other women since I don't want to be a hypocrite. 




YOU
ARE
NOT
EXCLUSIVE.

She has every right to make out with every cute boy she meets this summer, because you're NOT EXCLUSIVE.  It's not cheating when you're not committed.

Do we need to go back to the thing about the jealous boyfriend who isn't even a boyfriend?

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I guess all I can really do is have fun while it lasts...

You are right, I need to play it a little more cool. I agree.  Its hard though...




You not only have to play it a little more cool, you need to get yourself out there in the market and start asking other women out for coffee and movies and all those pre-cursor-to-serious-relationship things.

It's not being a hypocrite.  She said she doesn't want to be your girlfriend until she comes back.  She's friends with benefits and THAT IS ALL.  Treating her like she's your girlfriend is living in dream land.

BTW, the only reason a girl won't commit to someone she claims to like is because she's keeping her options open.

BTW 2, going exclusive is reversable if it doesn't work out.  Going exclusive is NOT marriage (and even that's reversable), it's committing to a degree of fidelity and true effort to see if marriage is feasable.  You're asking her to be your girlfriend when you ask her to not make out with other people.  She's told you she doesn't want to be your girlfriend.  Do the math - now, or when she comes back and after 6 months of exclusive dating when she knows you're good and hooked (or infected with some STI she brought back to you), she opens up about her wild summer.


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14441806 - 05/12/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Man, potgrrl, you have so much to teach us...


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14443001 - 05/12/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You KNOW you want to be in a serious relationship with her. 




Yep I do.

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If she comes back after this 2 months and tells you she met someone in the mean time how are you going to feel about that?  Pretty shitty I'd guess, and pretty resentful because YOU waited for HER and avoided a lot of summertime opportunities.





Not likely, but plausible.  She is having jaw surgery.  Her jaw will be wired shut and she will be recovering for the majority of the summer.  I guess she could meet a great male nurse who services her smoothie.  Lol

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In fact, I'll bet you'll even feel guilty checking out the women during the summer when they're dressed the sexiest, so you'll refrain from doing that out of loyalty to a girl who has told you she's not ready to be loyal to you.




I will just keep my options open.  I have never been the guy who hooks up with girls often or at random.  My hook ups come after some amount of getting to know and a little work. I have no desire or patience to "meet new people" or "date." If something comes around I will be open, but really I don't think this will be an issue. 


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You not only have to play it a little more cool, you need to get yourself out there in the market and start asking other women out for coffee and movies and all those pre-cursor-to-serious-relationship things.




This is entirely unlikely.  And it has nothing to do with her.  I spend my life between the pages of books and between two beers.  There are not too many real women who live there.  The thought of coffee and a movie makes me giggle.  Thats silly. lol :smile:


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14443047 - 05/12/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

P.S. Potgrrl,

Sunday is her birthday and the last day she will be here.  She is leaving Monday morning.  What do you think about a birthday/going away gift?  And while on that subject, a get well gift after her surgery?


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14443869 - 05/13/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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fbi365 said:
P.S. Potgrrl,

Sunday is her birthday and the last day she will be here.  She is leaving Monday morning.  What do you think about a birthday/going away gift?  And while on that subject, a get well gift after her surgery?




My general thought on this is:  If it were a guy friend who you were close to, how would you treat the occasions?  What if it were a non-relative female friend you weren't sexually attracted to?

Don't reward her with girlfriend-like treatment when she has made it clear she doesn't want to be your girlfriend.  Putting her up on a pedestal where you treat her as if she's more special than everyone else (after she's put you on hold) subcommunicates to her that you value HER more than you value YOURSELF.  Very very very very dangerous precident to set up - women are pro's at milking guys for all they're worth and then showing no guilt when we walk away.  After all, she TOLD you she didn't want to be serious yet.  Keep your balls out of her purse, man!  Once we have your balls in our purse, we're SO much less sexually attracted to you it's not even funny.

It's unlikely you're the only friend who can be there to emotionally support her.  It's much healthier for her to turn to her relatives and girlfriends, but if she's an attention-seeker, she probably has you and at least one other guy on the string for the fall.  This also qualifies as "keeping her options open".


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14445350 - 05/13/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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potgrrl said:
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fbi365 said:
P.S. Potgrrl,

Sunday is her birthday and the last day she will be here.  She is leaving Monday morning.  What do you think about a birthday/going away gift?  And while on that subject, a get well gift after her surgery?




Quote:

My general thought on this is:  If it were a guy friend who you were close to, how would you treat the occasions?





I guess its different.  A guy friend would get a bottle and a sack of mushrooms and hopefully a mad hangover.  lol

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Keep your balls out of her purse, man!  Once we have your balls in our purse, we're SO much less sexually attracted to you it's not even funny.



:smilingpuppy:  :rofl: That makes me laugh




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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: fbi365]
    #14454813 - 05/15/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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fbi365 said:
P.S. Potgrrl,

Sunday is her birthday and the last day she will be here.  She is leaving Monday morning.  What do you think about a birthday/going away gift?  And while on that subject, a get well gift after her surgery?





Your dick in a box.



This thread was an epic read.

fbi:  Mad respect for having the balls to let it all hang out here, but more importantly for following all the GREAT advice by the female posters.  I know you helped a ton of guys in similar situations who were too scared to ask for advice.  Seriously girls, that was awesome reading all that you had to say about a situation that happens to a lot of guys.

Congrats on hooking up with her, I did a celebratory fist pump when I read that post. :awesome:

Big summer coming up for you, other girls will definitely pick up on your confidence/swagger/vibes that comes from gettin it on.  Keep following potgrrls advice, she has not failed you yet!! 

I think it'd be smart to explore the female opportunities that will present themselves in the coming months, you will be able to get a better understanding of your feelings for Sarah depending on how you feel after going after/getting some other girls this summer.

potgrrl, TTT, and the other female posters who I'm forgetting it was great reading the girls perspective of this type of situation, your posts were appreciated.  :awesomenod:

I'm sad the first part of this saga is over, but fbi keep us updated on your exploits over the summer, good luck man.


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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: Dank_Trichome]
    #14455760 - 05/15/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

AND... SHE... IS... GONE...

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Dank_Trichome said:


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fbi:  Mad respect for having the balls to let it all hang out here, but more importantly for following all the GREAT advice by the female posters. 

Congrats on hooking up with her, I did a celebratory fist pump when I read that post. :awesome:




Thanks Bro!  :highfive: I have been doing a few fist pumps myself as of late.  I don't know what to say other than, this shit in this thread works, even if you fuck it up a lot, it still works. 

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Big summer coming up for you, other girls will definitely pick up on your confidence/swagger/vibes that comes from gettin it on.  Keep following potgrrls advice, she has not failed you yet!! 




I feel like I have a little extra swag in my step, a little extra gleam in my smile, we'll see if I can make it pay off :laugh:

Quote:

potgrrl, TTT, and the other female posters who I'm forgetting it was great reading the girls perspective of this type of situation, your posts were appreciated.  :awesomenod:




Agreed Girls, thanks again

I'm sad the first part of this saga is over, but fbi keep us updated on your exploits over the summer, good luck man.




Thanks for your words Dank :super:


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    #14460569 - 05/16/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Man i keep coming back to this post so good!,meh from what i have read on her she is either keeping her options open so she can have summer flings, leading you the hell on(doubt it since you did say she is nice and honest) or she is hesitant to be in a relationship with such a good friend. Trust me when she comes back just be a mad chill friend still flirt but tease her with it i.e. after you kiss tease her with one more and stop until the next time you see her, take her out to places you'll know she will have fun at. I always take girls to Max Brenner and end up doing shit like having a chocolate fights and getting the staff pissed off(take her mind off things and focus on it being a world with only you and her doing fun shit together)

my analysis of her personality is closely related to a model i was seeing , girls like this don't want to be treated like a queen  they long for s guy  who is relaxed as a friend but also keeps them on their feet by doing fun interesting things. once you show her that you aint under her spell and you don't feel nervous around her but you like her she's all yours man trust me

Girls are simple in the way that most of them look for a similar attribute in men , an easy going fun lovin guy that aint fussed. have you noticed the girls you don't want anything to with relationship/love wise want you so bad? its because you couldn't care less what they think and you see them as a friend. Whereas you might not realize it but the actual girl you fall in love with ,you turn into a big fat lovey dovey teddy bear that will do anything for em AND THEY KNOW THAT!, they don't want the fucking teddy bear...trust me, that is why they lead you on and then just leave you in a shithole when they find somone they want to fuck or date.

Ahhh i could talk all day but unfortunately i have work :smile: , Goodluck man you remind me of the person i once was and the person i long to be again, an honest guy who really gives a fuck. she dosn't realize that then she is yet another dumbass bitch who ends up regretting it when they marry the slob who sits on his ass and cheats on her :awedrugs:

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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: potgrrl]
    #14473171 - 05/18/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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potgrrl said:


Quote:

I am okay with fun.  I would have a problem if she went and did something with another guy even though we are not "in a relationship."  She knows that.  I guess that's where my insecurity is then.  And I don't really know how to conduct myself (in terms of hooking up) around other women since I don't want to be a hypocrite. 




YOU
ARE
NOT
EXCLUSIVE.

She has every right to make out with every cute boy she meets this summer, because you're NOT EXCLUSIVE.  It's not cheating when you're not committed.

Do we need to go back to the thing about the jealous boyfriend who isn't even a boyfriend?

Quote:

I guess all I can really do is have fun while it lasts...

You are right, I need to play it a little more cool. I agree.  Its hard though...




You not only have to play it a little more cool, you need to get yourself out there in the market and start asking other women out for coffee and movies and all those pre-cursor-to-serious-relationship things.

It's not being a hypocrite.  She said she doesn't want to be your girlfriend until she comes back.  She's friends with benefits and THAT IS ALL.  Treating her like she's your girlfriend is living in dream land.

BTW, the only reason a girl won't commit to someone she claims to like is because she's keeping her options open.

BTW 2, going exclusive is reversable if it doesn't work out.  Going exclusive is NOT marriage (and even that's reversable), it's committing to a degree of fidelity and true effort to see if marriage is feasable.  You're asking her to be your girlfriend when you ask her to not make out with other people.  She's told you she doesn't want to be your girlfriend.  Do the math - now, or when she comes back and after 6 months of exclusive dating when she knows you're good and hooked (or infected with some STI she brought back to you), she opens up about her wild summer.





I'm sorry but I feel as though you've had some bad relationships so you feel that until you "are exclusive" you can do whatever the fuck you want, so you should.  Just because you can go date 5 guys at once because your " not exclusive" with any of them doesn't mean it should be done.  Females talk about how guys are assholes, but for some reason you're allowed to be fucking however many people you want. That's gross and you're doing nothing but leading everybody on.  Fuck you're telling him to do whatever he wants while she is gone? HA in two months when she comes back and they start back up, that is NOT going to go over well.  You talk like women are simple people and that's a 100% lie because women are (like you said) built on emotions. And when you deal with emotion, nothing is simple.  How to please a man: good sex and being faithful. How to please a woman: depends on the woman, the day, the weather, what commercial was just on TV, who said what yesterday, what the scale read this morning, etc.  2 months is nothing to go without hooking up with some slut when you have the chance to see if someone you may really care about sees you the same way.  It isn't infidelity, it is showing respect.  If she goes and has a wild summer maybe you might need to look a little more closely at what you want from her

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Re: Does she like me or is she fucking with me? Next move? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14473408 - 05/18/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great thread, i've learned a couple thangs.:thumbup:


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