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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14434940 - 05/11/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We need them too. :yinyang:

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14434978 - 05/11/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What about those creative people who fantasize about cutting their fellow man into teeny tiny pieces and flame-broiling them to perfection?




those people are indeed twisted but most people aren't that fucked up imo, and we need all the creative energy we can get, good or bad.  and i think most of it would be good if people really opened their minds more.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14434992 - 05/11/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why do you believe that imagination is generally good or would have a positive influence? Lots of people imagine winning the lottery but only end up costing themselves money while perpetuating the sense that more money would solve their problems.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14435131 - 05/11/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There you have imagination being used for consumption, not creation.  As it can also be used for destruction.

The thing is, they all go together.  Creative imagination can be used to create the destructive atomic bomb, for instance...

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14435222 - 05/11/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well it is imagination aimed towards the creation of wealth. It may take the form of consumption, but all creations consume something in order to attain their end goal.

My point more than anything was that imagining something does not ensure the creation of what is intended. The atomic bomb was a good pairing to this because Einstein went "ah eff" when he realized what he had contributed to.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14437055 - 05/11/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

is...logical?


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14438536 - 05/12/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We need them too. :yinyang:




I don't know about you, but I could certainly do without the prospect of being tortured and murdered by a serial killer.  :lol:


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14439199 - 05/12/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why do you believe that imagination is generally good or would have a positive influence? Lots of people imagine winning the lottery but only end up costing themselves money while perpetuating the sense that more money would solve their problems.




i guess it doesn't, it's neutral, but a free imagination is much more positive than a repressed imagination...use it or lose it bub!


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: deCypher]
    #14439420 - 05/12/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We need them too. :yinyang:




I don't know about you, but I could certainly do without the prospect of being tortured and murdered by a serial killer.  :lol:




If our world was all candy-canes and lollypops there would be absolutely no growth. Think about how some of the hardships in your own life have turned you into an overall better person. For the radical instances such as rape and torture, I'd entertain the prospect that we don't have the big picture from the human perspective. We should work as a society to reduce all heinous things, and they will be there to point us in that direction until we do.

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #14439534 - 05/12/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So we need evil things in order to grow beyond them? :banghead:

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14439568 - 05/12/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah totally. natural selection.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14439579 - 05/12/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What's that got to do with what Cosmo said?

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14439626 - 05/12/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

natural selection works by removing the bad genes cause over time they tend not to reproduce (<--highly simplified) as im sure you know. in the same way, hard times, if met openly, will ultimately show you what aspects of yourself are fit to keep and which aren't.  tough times bring change and force you to go deeper inside yourself. it's the friction for the process of evolution.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14440287 - 05/12/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So we need evil things in order to grow beyond them? :banghead:




How else would one hone courage, selflessness and any other positive trait? Good and bad are necessary. Without the contrast the other could not exist. I think that's why all of the zen masters and mystics point to moving beyond the duality. What happens to the people that have no struggle, no evil in their life? From my experience they are usually pretty shallow.

Look at life as a story your soul is orchestrating. Could there be a good story without a few villains?

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: deCypher]
    #14440313 - 05/12/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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We need them too. :yinyang:




I don't know about you, but I could certainly do without the prospect of being tortured and murdered by a serial killer.  :lol:




:whathesaid:

Yes, my Earthly story could be just fine without villains.
Being shallow wouldn't matter if there was no trouble in the world.

Of course, the reality is that we do live in a world full of killers.  But we were talking about a "what if" situation.

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14440331 - 05/12/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Being shallow wouldn't matter if there was no trouble in the world.





Everyone being shallow wouldn't be a trouble in itself?

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14443708 - 05/13/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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There you have imagination being used for consumption, not creation.  As it can also be used for destruction.

The thing is, they all go together.  Creative imagination can be used to create the destructive atomic bomb, for instance...




Did you by any chance watch Zeitgeist: Moving Forward? I liked that documentary...seemed like the most important documentary I've ever seen. I think we should all focus our creative energy to strive to phase out consumption and start inventing new useful things. After all, most work humans can do is already being cut out by robotics. We possess creativity and most of us just never bother tapping into it to better the world somehow. Most people stick to a career pathway just to make money to consume things, instead of making new things. I believe humanity is currently trying to get over this hurdle. Currency is really outdated....I am a firm believer in a resource-based economy, and I think it's possible in the future.

That being said, addressing the original question, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, I don't think believing in an afterlife is a bad thing...it does seem to provide motivation for some people--however, that can be used for violent or destructive behavior.

Motivation and creative thinking leads to new production and new ideas, which I think is a very important thing.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14445886 - 05/13/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think it really matters. Everyones path is different, if you choose faith and belief that is ok by me. If you know of afterlife, grats to you.

I personally like to know things, and this one is beyond me. I do know there is more to all of us than is generally accepted.

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