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Moonshoe
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: DieCommie]
#14445627 - 05/13/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Right. In the same way that there is a house in this one.
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DieCommie

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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Moonshoe]
#14445636 - 05/13/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, thats not a house. At least, its not a house for humans. Im sure other species would feel quite at home in there.
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Jordan Black


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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: DieCommie]
#14445646 - 05/13/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Someday your children will come and say to you "Dad, the whole world is a wasteland and all the animals are extinct. Why didn't you DO anything about it?"
And you will say... "I did! I argued that It wasn't happening!"
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DieCommie

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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Jordan Black]
#14445655 - 05/13/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If all the animals are extinct, how could I have children? You do realize that humans are animals right? We are not separate from nature and the ecosystem, we are forever embedded within it.
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: DieCommie]
#14445666 - 05/13/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Presumably your hypothetical child was talking about the non-human animals.
Wordplay and bullshit, wordplay and bullshit.
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baby9
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Moonshoe]
#14446095 - 05/13/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It makes me cry when I think about what we are doing to this world, all the dolphins and whales we are killing, the oil spill in the gulf coast, the nuclear reactors in Japan, the rainforest being cut down, it makes me soooo sad I could just die...
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Jordan Black]
#14446141 - 05/13/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow. I Can't believe anyone would argue at such length about something as obvious as "we need to take care of the planet because its the only one we have".
Do you have an ACTUAL counterpoint to something I wrote?
Do you have a clue what an Argument From Incredulity is? (Hint: read the sticky thread)
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Wow. I Can't believe anyone would argue at such length about something as obvious as "we need to take care of the planet because its the only one we have".
Do you have an ACTUAL counterpoint to something I wrote?
Do you have a clue what an Argument From Incredulity is? (Hint: read the sticky thread)
Is it just me, or has there been a recent influx of these types?
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: 4896744]
#14446176 - 05/13/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nah, it's not just you.
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: helix]
#14446184 - 05/13/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We can all believe whatever we want, but living in harmony with nature rather than against it doesn't come from any human mind, which is only one piece of the puzzle
I see. You live in a forest without any clothes or shelter then?
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: baby9]
#14446213 - 05/13/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It makes me cry when I think about what we are doing to this world, all the dolphins and whales we are killing, the oil spill in the gulf coast, the nuclear reactors in Japan, the rainforest being cut down, it makes me soooo sad I could just die...
Do you cry for the shark population that has been decimated?
The oil in the gulf came from where exactly? (Hint: mother Earth)
The nuclear reactors wouldn't have been be a problem if what didn't happen? (Hint: earthquake)
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baby9
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Yes it is so horrible that they eat only the sharks fin and throw the shark away!!
Sharks are scary but they should not be killed just for there fins!
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Jordan Black]
#14446235 - 05/13/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The spirit of his post is just that we should take care of our planet.
What does that mean - exactly?
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Ive read through this whole long ass thread and I am amazed at the nitpicking BS going on.
Well, Moonshoe already backed off ona a false statement and an overstatement.
How does emotionalism and exaggeration build a solid case? Should we base action on falsehoods?
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OrgoneConclusion said: How does emotionalism and exaggeration build a solid case?
I don't know, but that all these "ecologically aware" vegetarians seem to be capable of bringing to the table.
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Jordan Black]
#14446307 - 05/13/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Someday your children will come and say to you "Dad, the whole world is a wasteland and all the animals are extinct. Why didn't you DO anything about it?"
Long ago, what did the husband say to the wife when their child was eaten by a large predator?
"Honey, we could have killed that crocodile/tiger/bear/wolf/etc. but that might have upset the ecosystem. Better that our child died."
Sound reasonable?
Ever seen a Florida backyard with fire ant mounds? Would you let your children play there or would you get 5 gallons of gas and a match?
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Poid]
#14446320 - 05/13/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: How does emotionalism and exaggeration build a solid case?
I don't know, but that all these "ecologically aware" vegetarians seem to be capable of bringing to the table. 
Not much different than Prohibitionists whose main 'point' is hand-wringing emotionalism, "Think of the children!"
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Poid
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Poid said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: How does emotionalism and exaggeration build a solid case?
I don't know, but that all these "ecologically aware" vegetarians seem to be capable of bringing to the table. 
Not much different than Prohibtionists whose main 'point' is hand-wringing emotionalism, "Think of the children!"
Not at all, my friend, not at all. 
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OrgoneConclusion said: Ever seen a Florida backyard with fire ant mounds? Would you let your children play there or would you get 5 gallons of gas and a match?

-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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helix
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I agree moonshoe's arguments Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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The spirit of his post is just that we should take care of our planet.
What does that mean - exactly?
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Ive read through this whole long ass thread and I am amazed at the nitpicking BS going on.
Well, Moonshoe already backed off ona a false statement and an overstatement.
How does emotionalism and exaggeration build a solid case? Should we base action on falsehoods?
I agree that the manner in which moonshoe put this topic and carries it on is spoken with a tone that's more in line with emotional sensationalism rather than factual and objective, however, i also see how nitpicking is failing to see the very serious and real topic that he's presenting, even if it's not being argued in a super objective sounding manner
I'm not sure that i've said anything here...i guess what i'm saying is can't we all just get along? lol
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: Moonshoe]
#14446360 - 05/13/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said:

My, what a lovely ecosystem!
Hmmm, I wonder who fucked over the hundreds of square miles of pristine forest around Mt. St. Helens?
I wonder how the eco-system is doing today?
(Try just a teeney bit of research. I know that is asking a lot.)
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Re: The most important struggle in history [Re: helix]
#14446363 - 05/13/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forgive our questioning in a debate forum.
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