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Drying Problem??
    #14437577 - 05/11/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So i dryed my tiny bit of cubes using my toaster oven (I dont have an oven). I layed them on a piece of paper towel, put that on a plate, set the gizmo to "Keep Warm", placed the plate on the outside of the toaster oven (where it was still warm) and checked the temperature with a cooking thermometer. Now I got these babies cracker dry over the course of many hours, put them in a small plastic baggie, and put them away..

A few days later I check them. They feel moist again.. Squishy almost.

WTF Happened?! I am flabbergasted.

Ordered a dehydrator.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14437593 - 05/11/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dont store in plastic baggie without desiccant. i store in paper bag, if i have no desiccant.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14437625 - 05/11/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They should be able to be stored in a plasticbag if they are as dry as an elderly woman.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14437655 - 05/11/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If they're truly cracker dry, they'll stay cracker dry. You didn't dry them enough to begin with.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14437670 - 05/11/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If they're truly cracker dry, they'll stay cracker dry. You didn't dry them enough to begin with.




That is the only logical explanation. The largest of the fruits felt like it could have used a little longer. Are they ruined? Because I still want to eat these soon..


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14437688 - 05/11/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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roulette450 said:
They should be able to be stored in a plasticbag if they are as dry as an elderly woman.




Ok then, so u know what ur talking about why are u asking?

Do you have desiccant? Without desiccant even with my dehydrator they don't get 100% dry man.....and pick up moisture from the air around them even if its in a plastic bag.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: rustycobwebs]
    #14437714 - 05/11/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do not have desiccant..


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: rustycobwebs]
    #14437751 - 05/11/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well that sucks then....

Uh.....well if you had money to order the dehydrator, maybe u can find your way to a craft store and grab a bag of desiccant. Costs me like 8 bucks for a pound, pretty awesome deal comes with indicators and u can bake it later to take the moisture back out for reuse, but at that price i just buy new.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14437875 - 05/11/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So i dryed my tiny bit of cubes using my toaster oven (I dont have an oven). I layed them on a piece of paper towel, put that on a plate, set the gizmo to "Keep Warm", placed the plate on the outside of the toaster oven (where it was still warm) and checked the temperature with a cooking thermometer. Now I got these babies cracker dry over the course of many hours, put them in a small plastic baggie, and put them away..

A few days later I check them. They feel moist again.. Squishy almost.

WTF Happened?! I am flabbergasted.


They wernt truly cracker dry, they were prob burnt on the outside from the heat and there was still moisture traped inside.

Ordered a dehydrator.




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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14437943 - 05/11/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If they're truly cracker dry, they'll stay cracker dry.




what logic is this?

dry things can absorb moisture from the air...


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14438112 - 05/12/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do not have desiccant..




64 oz of damp rid at walmart for 10 bucks.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14439106 - 05/12/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do not have desiccant..




64 oz of damp rid at walmart for 10 bucks.




I live in new york, no walmart for miles. You think a 99 cent store would have it?? ... I have a mission..


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: roulette450]
    #14440037 - 05/12/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.drierite.com/

5 LBS for $23 shipped to your house in 3 days

Best stuff you can buy


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14441638 - 05/12/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If they're truly cracker dry, they'll stay cracker dry.




what logic is this?

dry things can absorb moisture from the air...




Yeah, no shit, but if they're cracker dry, and YOU PUT THEM IN A ZIPLOCK BAG, they won't turn to mush. I have 6 months proof in a bag. OP said he dried them then put them in a bag.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14441895 - 05/12/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well when i was giving out some free mush around my neck of the woods i had quite a few complaints of people saying their mush didnt stay dry.

turns out kids store their mushrooms just like they store their weed.

in a bag, not ziplock, just kinda rolled up loosely in their sock drawer.

air tight-ness is a good thing.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14442239 - 05/12/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Eh, good point, OP said "baggie", didn't specify ziplock. I guess we should interpret baggie as those folding sandwich bags..and those are a fail.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14448562 - 05/13/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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well when i was giving out some free mush around my neck of the woods i had quite a few complaints of people saying their mush didnt stay dry.

turns out kids store their mushrooms just like they store their weed.

in a bag, not ziplock, just kinda rolled up loosely in their sock drawer.

air tight-ness is a good thing.




Im sorry but you try to call ppl on shit every second you get so here ya go. If mushes are truly cracker dry, they wont rehydrate be they in a bag, sealed container or the open air. The idea that they will rott easier in open aire or a non-sealed bag is utterly ignorant. put fresh mushies in a sealed bag and put some in a not sealed bag see what one sweats first. You must not kno what a cracker dry mushroom try is.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14451839 - 05/14/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not true. Anything that's cracker dry and organic will most likely absorb moisture in a humidified environment. That's why long-term storage requires ziplock or similar containers.

Take a bag of chips for example. When you first open them, they're fresh and crispy. Leave them sitting around open for a week or two, and they get stale and lose the crunch. Put them in the oven on a cookie sheet and bake them (releasing the absorbed water) and they're fresh again.

I'm pretty sure this is due to diffusion in some respect. In a humidified environment, that which is wet tries to dry, and that which is dry tries to get wet. Higher concentration to lower concentration and all that.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14451882 - 05/14/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If mushes are truly cracker dry, they wont rehydrate in the open air.




this is 100% incorrect.

im sorry.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14452246 - 05/14/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One thing that worked for me was leaving them on the apparatus that I used to dry them on in the first place. A fan laying sideways with some plastic mesh on top of it...


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14453453 - 05/14/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If mushes are truly cracker dry, they wont rehydrate in the open air.




this is 100% incorrect.

im sorry.




no its not. noone lives in a humid enough environment for them to rehydrate. if you do them i suggest saying fuck the fruiting chamber and just grow on your floor. lol i let shrooms sit out for months before in the open air they keep getting drier and i live in a normal climate.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14453591 - 05/14/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how do you get drier than cracker dry?
:shrug:


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14453930 - 05/14/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I live in a desert. I can leave my mushrooms out in the open indefinitely.

If I leave my wet mushrooms on a plate and point a fan at them, the dry in <24 hours. If I store them in a sealable bag, an unsealed plastic bag, a paper bag or out on a table or something, they stay cracker dry.

I doubt that this would happen in most other people's climates, though.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: healing]
    #14454986 - 05/15/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yea the guy who is saying they won't rehydrate must live somewhere dry. Either that or he means they won't re-inflate, which should be obvious to everyone. They will stay looking all shriveled up but will absorb moisture. This is due to osmosis, which is the specific name for the diffusion of water.

In most of the world mushrooms left unsealed will rot in an obvious way within I'd say a year. Also they might make you sick long before that.

Its also possible that your house is very dry due to forced air heating or air conditioning of some kind which removes moisture from the air. If you run a humidifier in the same room as open cracker dry mushrooms they won't stay craker dry for long. Even a plate with water beside them and they won't stay cracker dry.

Thats interesting about the chips, I thought it was something to do with a chemical reaction like how bread goes stale.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: k00laid]
    #14457864 - 05/15/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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how do you get drier than cracker dry?
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What you call cracker dry must not be the same i call cracker dry. Those bitches will get soo dry they turn to powder. I live no where near the desert i live up north on the east coast and i can set my harvest out in mid air and it will become cracker dry. once they are dry they never once rehydrate. i left them out in the open i put them in sealed jars every reasonable variable. If your cracker dry mushrooms rehydrate or rot then you obviously dont kno what your doing.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14458391 - 05/15/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You don't need to live in a dessert to have a low relative humidity in your home/area.  Keep that in mind boys.. relative humidity determines how much moisture is in the air surrounding your dry mushrooms.

If you don't dry properly moisture from the inside moistens the outer surface of the mush and it wont crack or powder.

If you have crackly crispy powdery mush, and it goes to a place of higher relative humidity, it will absorb that humidity, and become soft and mroe maleable.

I know for a fact though sporesmore420, that there are several tropical places that can change a cracker dry shroom or cracker or shirt into a damp and soft item.  Its simple logic.  You cant stay indefintely drier then the environment around you.


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: Jayslay]
    #14459317 - 05/15/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You don't need to live in a dessert to have a low relative humidity in your home/area.  Keep that in mind boys.. relative humidity determines how much moisture is in the air surrounding your dry mushrooms.

If you don't dry properly moisture from the inside moistens the outer surface of the mush and it wont crack or powder.

If you have crackly crispy powdery mush, and it goes to a place of higher relative humidity, it will absorb that humidity, and become soft and mroe maleable.

I know for a fact though sporesmore420, that there are several tropical places that can change a cracker dry shroom or cracker or shirt into a damp and soft item.  Its simple logic.  You cant stay indefintely drier then the environment around you.



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You don't need to live in a dessert to have a low relative humidity in your home/area.  Keep that in mind boys.. relative humidity determines how much moisture is in the air surrounding your dry mushrooms.

If you don't dry properly moisture from the inside moistens the outer surface of the mush and it wont crack or powder.

If you have crackly crispy powdery mush, and it goes to a place of higher relative humidity, it will absorb that humidity, and become soft and mroe maleable.

I know for a fact though sporesmore420, that there are several tropical places that can change a cracker dry shroom or cracker or shirt into a damp and soft item.  Its simple logic.  You cant stay indefintely drier then the environment around you.




Maybe in the tropics, if your living in a place that humid why are you even using a fruiting chamber?


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Re: Drying Problem?? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14463592 - 05/16/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well if you are in the tropics, I guess they will grow outdoors pretty good.  They do grow outdoors in nature, right? 

Not everyone wants to grow outdoor though.


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