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What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: learningtofly]
#14438665 - 05/12/11 04:51 AM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Since they like to work, and they are here illegally, I say we round em up, toss em in jail, and put them to work doing labor that nobody else wants to do. Illegal alien chain gains.
By the way, what is this "illegal immigrant" bullshit? Immigrants are legal. We are talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Seuss]
#14439714 - 05/12/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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i wouldnt even bother with the immigrants themselves...i would bust businesses that use them instead...without black work they will simply self-deport...
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Annapurna1]
#14439986 - 05/12/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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> i would bust businesses that use them instead...
I don't know about "instead" but I agree with the rest.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Seuss]
#14440501 - 05/12/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Seuss said: Since they like to work, and they are here illegally, I say we round em up, toss em in jail, and put them to work doing labor that nobody else wants to do. Illegal alien chain gains.
Don't you mean chain gangs?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Poid] 1
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Seuss said: Since they like to work, and they are here illegally, I say we round em up, toss em in jail, and put them to work doing labor that nobody else wants to do. Illegal alien chain gains.
Don't you mean chain gangs? 
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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I think he meant to say "chain gangs", not "chain gains"--do you know what a chain gang is?
Chain gang
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A chain gang is a group of prisoners chained together to perform menial or physically challenging work, such as mining or timber collecting, as a form of punishment.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Poid]
#14440766 - 05/12/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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No shit? I though he meant Chang gains, as in Chinese illegals would make more money if we threw out the Hispanic ones.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Poid]
#14440780 - 05/12/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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I think hiring people with guns to threaten other people's lives, to kidnap and jail people, to split up families, to keep people living in fear, to exploit their productivity and tax them without representing them, all in deference to an imaginary line and the fantasy of a nation state is typical cruel human idiocy. God Bless America!
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
#14440785 - 05/12/11 04:01 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Those are chong gains
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: thissongis]
#14440803 - 05/12/11 04:04 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Deportation for the most part.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: No shit? I though he meant Chang gains, as in Chinese illegals would make more money if we threw out the Hispanic ones.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said: I think hiring people with guns to threaten other people's lives, to kidnap and jail people, to split up families, to keep people living in fear, to exploit their productivity and tax them without representing them, all in deference to an imaginary line and the fantasy of a nation state is typical cruel human idiocy. God Bless America!
Ya so we should just open the doors so anybody can come right, I mean whats an extra 2 million impoverished people?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: learningtofly]
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Learningtofly, who'd be impoverished? Don't you believe that hard working, productive people create wealth? Don't you believe that competition spurs innovation? Don't you believe in capitalism and free trade? Do you think immigrants will outcompete native born Americans? Help me understand who would be impoverished and why. Thanks!
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Are you shitting me? Most people who cross the border illegally are impoverished.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Poid]
#14440944 - 05/12/11 04:41 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Poid, yeah you're probably right. Like all those Irish during the potato famine, right? They come here willing to work hard and contribute their productivity to the common good. They start out poor, maybe, but over time they create wealth, right?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
#14440971 - 05/12/11 04:45 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Not Quite Social said: They start out poor, maybe, but over time they create wealth, right?
Some of them do, but many, perhaps even most of them don't
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
#14441017 - 05/12/11 04:58 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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i wouldnt even bother with the immigrants themselves...i would bust businesses that use them instead...without black work they will simply self-deport...
Damn, is that supposed to be some kind of a joke? Remember this woman?

Ten years she lived here, parasitizing the system. She stated WE OWED it to her. She got months of free healthcare, free food, free housing, and even a stipend for all those essential negrosities (negro necessities). She herself stated it was OUR fault that she didn't leave as she was not pursued and forced to do so. Therefore she could live off the fruits of the american taxpayer, as she got all the freebies, even after she defied deportation orders.
So what do we do with them? Well we can start with this.
Then if they still refuse to leave...
and of course the final solution for the persistent vile illegal mexican hordes.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
#14441161 - 05/12/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Wow, Therian, I guess you're not gonna vote for Obama in 2012. Just out of curiosity, who would you like to see in the White House after the next election?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
#14441179 - 05/12/11 05:30 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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How about actually creating a system that works well enough, without the bloodsuckers at the top taking 90%, that no one would really care about a million or two extra people there? Most of the illegal immigrants are doing jobs none of you want to do anyway, and its such a small problem compared to the blatant exploitation by the rich.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: millar]
#14441555 - 05/12/11 06:49 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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millar said: How about actually creating a system that works well enough, without the bloodsuckers at the top taking 90%, that no one would really care about a million or two extra people there? Most of the illegal immigrants are doing jobs none of you want to do anyway, and its such a small problem compared to the blatant exploitation by the rich.
"Bloodsuckers at the top?"
The only bloodsuckers are at the bottom. More than half of the population pays nothing in taxes.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: millar]
#14441668 - 05/12/11 07:14 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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crack down on deportation, but improve the system to promote legal immigration. They're not gonna stop coming, but the attitude of many potential immigrants would drastically change if they knew there was a legitimate way into our country. Even if there's a 2 year waiting period, just having the option would make jumpg the border seem ridiculous. And if them if they're caught here illegally from ever getting a permit.
Give them work permits and 5 years to test the waters. Create an extra tax on them for the cost to manage this and to pay back taxes depending upon the social services they use. Gonna have a kid? Cool, he's a citizen and can go to our schools, but the parent needs to pay their fair share for his education or they parent will be deported. Same with ER's, directly garnish their wages if they don't pay. We should have strong fiscal monitoring power over them until they become citizens. It shouldn't be a walk in the park. Those that come in and work hard at legitimate jobs and pay taxes should have the chance to prove themselves, and those that are leeches will lose their work permits and be deported.
I know, that plan is full of holes. Who's to stop them from just disappearing after they get their work permits because they can't pay? And I have no idea how the funding would work out. That's the basic way I feel though...find a way to strongly encourage legal immigration, and crack down HARD on the illegals.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: JT]
#14442877 - 05/12/11 11:07 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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They're not gonna stop coming, but the attitude of many potential immigrants would drastically change if they knew there was a legitimate way into our country. Even if there's a 2 year waiting period, just having the option would make jumpg the border seem ridiculous. And if them if they're caught here illegally from ever getting a permit.
How much bs can you fit into one paragraph? There is a legitimate way into our country, over a million people utilize it per year, it's called LEGAL immigration. People will jump the border just so they wouldn't have to wait the two years. Not only that they will do it while carrying their rat-like vermin, spawns of satan invivo.
We can stop them from illegally crossing our borders when they are 9 months pregnant. We tell them the american taxpayer will only be all to glad to cover the huge expense of you giving birth here, but you will be having an anchor donor baby. As soon as the thing is born it should be euthanized and have its organs harvested for Americans. This would offset the cost of the delivery. Of course the parents would then be summarily deported.
Promote legal immigration? Have you seen the national unemployment rate? There aren't even enough jobs for our own citizens. Our social programs are broke, we can't afford any more freeloaders. You want em, you pay for their clothing, food, shelter, education, retirement, health care, incarceration costs, etc.
No, you are incorrect, you can stop them from coming. If we allowed the minuteman types to gut shoot all illegals as they crossed the border, ensuring them a long, and anguished death, that would stop them. We could then allow their fat, greasy mexican bodies to become dessicated in the heat, eventually allowing them to receive their just reward as their corpses are scattered throughout the desert in the form of coyote shit.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
#14443503 - 05/13/11 02:02 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Wow...
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
#14443793 - 05/13/11 04:33 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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> Promote legal immigration?
I have no problem promoting legal immigration as long as the same laws apply as Mexico has for their immigrants:
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Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters.
Immigration must be deemed appropriate, and assimilate to the national average and their proper distribution throughout the country.
Foreign nationals are restricted when the national interest so requires.
Immigration to urban population centers can be restricted to ensure effective delivery public services.
Foreigners are subject to approval concerning appropriate activities they will pursue, and the location of residence.
Immigrants must be useful elements for the country and have the income needed for subsistence and persons under their economic dependence.
Foreigners may be denied entry for the following reasons, if: No international reciprocity, The national demographic balance is altered, It is deemed harmful to the national economic interests, he/she has violated national law or have a poor record abroad, deemed not physically or mentally healthy. For a foreigner to pursue other activities in addition to those that have been expressly authorized, requires permission from the Interior Ministry.
The authorities of the Republic, whether federal, local or municipal, as well as public notaries, are obliged to check if foreigners are legally in the country.
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In Mexico, legal immigrants are not allowed to own land, are not allowed to hold office, must live where they are told to live, must get approval for whatever job they hold, must have money, must have a means of support, must move or change jobs if asked by the government, etc...
And yet their government has the audacity to print guides to help their own deadbeat citizens illegally cross the border into the US. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Seuss]
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Hm...so this is what I wrote last night. Fascinating.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: JT]
#14444430 - 05/13/11 09:16 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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So, hey, Therian, vis-a-vis immigration issues ...
What's your take on the lifetime appointment of Sotomayor to the US Supreme Court?
Also, you never answered my question about your preference to win the Presidency in 2012. I'm curious.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
#14444805 - 05/13/11 10:42 AM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Sotomayor is a racist, sexist slag who had the incredibly bad judgment to spend several years living with and almost married a baby mobster.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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What is a "slag"?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
#14446620 - 05/13/11 05:07 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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> without the bloodsuckers at the top taking 90%
Actually, the vast majority of the bloodsuckers are at the bottom.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Seuss]
#14446888 - 05/13/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 9 days ago) |
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Seuss said: I have no problem promoting legal immigration as long as the same laws apply as Mexico has for their immigrants:
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In Mexico, legal immigrants are not allowed to own land, are not allowed to hold office, must live where they are told to live, must get approval for whatever job they hold, must have money, must have a means of support, must move or change jobs if asked by the government, etc...
I can't say I'd support most of those things, for anyone, other than money/means of support, as is already required to legally immigrate. As it is now, anyone can own land in the US. Why should someone who lives in another country have more rights to own land in the US than someone who has immigrated legally?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: ChuangTzu]
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> I can't say I'd support most of those things,
Actually, I don't either. My sarcasm runs away sometimes. I just find the hypocrisy of some countries, such as Mexico, to be beyond belief. My actual solution to the illegal alien 'problem' is two fold; 1) prosecute the companies/employers that hire illegal aliens (and provide a means for companies/employers to verify citizenship of their employees) and 2) for every illegal alien deported, make it easier for somebody that is patiently waiting in line to get into the country legally. I also think they should do away with the citizenship if you were born here, even if you parents are not citizens, even if you never live here amendment. I'd also like to see the US bill foreign countries, such as Mexico, for the cost of deporting their illegal aliens caught in the US.
(ok, so maybe that is four fold)
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#14452566 - 05/14/11 05:45 PM (13 years, 8 days ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: It's an inexplicable contradiction for the Tea Party types, accusing Hussein of socialism while they want to pass laws & use the coercive authority of the state to dictate how companies operate in contrast to what they would do in a free market (you know, what capitalism is supposed to be), & thus reign in the "invisible hand" that achieves the greatest economic efficiency. They're every bit as 'socialist' (based on their inaccurate use of the term) as are liberals/progressives, but in different ways/areas (e.g. xenophobic policies telling business owners how they must run their business, hard-line drug prohibition, wanting impunity to police & military for any & all violations including murder so long as they don’t like the victims, militarism & imperialism abroad)
This anti-capitalism/"socialist" sense of entitlement (not wanting the wage depression that would occur in a free market, that would maximize company profits) is exactly what they claim is "destroying America," but only when the shoe is on the other foot, of course. They can't have it both ways; either the government butting out of business & letting them maximize their profits is a good thing or it isn't. For Tea Party fascists, though, it's just a matter of what suits their bigoted/racist/xenophobic/ignorant views on a given subject... not any universal principle like is the case with true libertarians, who are the only ones in America who advocate actual capitalism.
This is a laugh riot. Some deranged screed that anything other than one world open borders is somehow anti-capitalist. Maybe all companies should have to hire everybody who applies for a job? Word to EP, most of the foreign applicants for the position of American worker are unqualified. They wouldn't even have job openings if we weren't already a welfare state with millions of natural born Americans thinking that sweat is cancerous and toil beneath them. By the way, drug prohibition and trans fat prohibition are socialist policies that can only be justified by some notion of Kollektif good.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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What is "kollektif"?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said: What is "kollektif"?
A quite humorous spelling of "collective".
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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I do not believe in rewarding people who break the law. There is no shortage of applicants who would come in legally to replace the deported cheats and criminals. It would be nice if the federal government could run a proper legal immigration program. Sadly they don't seem to be competent at that. I have no problem completely gutting Immigration and Naturalization, fire everyone, and start over. Transfer the responsibility for catching border jumping criminals to law enforcement agencies where they belong.
There is nothing fascistic about maintaining a nation's borders. Nor is there anything anti-liberty about maintaining a police force. In fact the opposite is true. Nor have I heard the left come out in favor of ending drug prohibitions. In fact they want to impose even more prohibitions.
Government policies regarding business do not really impair their ability to make a profit as long as the policies are uniformly applied across the board. The government does not do this. What the government does is support favored actors in a social engineering experiment that does nothing but create a vast bureaucracy and increase costs. Costs that the companies do not pay but which are passed on to consumers and serve to debilitate American companies' ability to compete abroad.
My position on drug prohibition has been repeated several times. Any competent adult should be allowed to consume any substance he or she desires without the trheat of government interference. They should also be left to die in the gutter when their behavior destroys them. Unless some nice private charity feels like helping them.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
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I voted to deport them. I am against the drug war.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Most want amnesty and a back tax? Are you kidding me?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Sticky Green]
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Im for deportation due to the fact that i lived in Arizona for 14 years.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Fucking deport. I say we start with the goddamn Europeans who came over here hundreds of years ago. Sends their asses back to England, Germany, France...
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Most want amnesty and a back tax? Are you kidding me?
The fuck is wrong with you people?
What's wrong (sic) with so many people today, especially 'white' people, is that they've progressed since the times of genocide against AmerIndians, slavery of millions of Africans, child labor for children of the poor, Jim Crow/segregation, blatant racism & discrimination against various peoples based on ethnicity and/or religion, etc. Unfortunately, many are still stuck in a backwards past (e.g. a slight majority of white Southerners still have more sympathy with the Confederacy than the Union cause... lesser % in other regions, but still there) while most of the rest of the world is moving forward & embracing global integration & exchange.
Ive progressed? ok? you act like these 'white people' are the only racists out there. Why you even bringing in race on this matter? Deportation and racism arent the same. Are there some racist people that are for deportation. sure. The rest of the world moving forward? Your not suggesting that the USA isnt, are you?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
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The Arizona SB 1070 is racist as it gets. Undocumented workers are largely stereotyped as Latino. Whens the last time you heard the words "illegal immigrant" and thought of a white person?
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Really? Denmark, France, Italy and the Netherlands would seem to be heading in the right direction.
Even the EU is considering tighter restrictions.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
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I don't think of any particular ethnicity when I hear the term "illegal aliens".
How telling that you do.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
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It just so happens to be that the majority are latino. Arizona SB 1070 is doing what it needs to do since the federal government cant Please tell me of a better way to deport them and ill listen. Show that your a citizen and you will be fine. I dont see the problem. I dont even know why you brought that up. Maybe thats not the right way to deport?
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I don't think of any particular ethnicity when I hear the term "illegal aliens".
How telling that you do.
I didn't imply that I did. However, I will admit... I do. When some one says "illegal immigrants" I think of some white privileged person who is complaining about some one taking a job they found be below themselves.
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Thats racial profiling. "You look illegal, show me your papers!" And, who carries papers with them wherever they go? In the end, deportation isn't the answer.
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Deportation is the next logical, and long overdue, step after tightening borders.
Rewarding those who have broken the law will only encourage others to do the same. Allowing them to stay would be such a reward.
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Yes. I have found over the years that those who are quick to toss the word racist around, are typically the more racist.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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All i see is its racist to deport illegals. I really dont get that. What i do get is the fact that ive met plenty of people who got here legally. And even they are against the illegal aliens because it gives them a bad name.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
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Don't quote me out of context please. The only ones who scream illegal immigration are the powerful and people that have fell into to their beliefs in some kind of Stockholm syndrome action.
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From living around alot of illegal aliens most of my life, i have clearly noticed that most of them could give a shit about what laws they break or not.
SB 1070 is racist on its idea that one can profile what an illegal looks like. You just can't. At that rate, you either have to question EVERYONE you meet about being an illegal, or you are questioning people because of the color of their skin. The only way some one can "look" illegal is if they wear a shirt that says "I am an illegal immigrant"
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
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Racist because one would like their country to enforce their laws concerning UNLAWFUL entry into our country by criminals? Why should the american people be on the hook for paying for the illegals needs?
Illegal is a Crime, not a Race. No you don't have to question everyone concerning their citizenship. What does an illegal look like? Usually fat, dirty, can't speak the language, involved in crimes far beyond their proportional racial makeup. You can find them in the emergency rooms getting free medical attention, giving birth on the american taxpayers dime, or even at the social services building collecting benefits they have never paid a single fucking cent into, yet want all of us to do so for them.
Yes you obese mexican fucks, I see absolutely no reason why our country that can't even exist without foreign monetary assistance should take on TRILLIONS more in debt to satisfy those that broke the law getting into the country, and continue to do so every day they are here. Citizens that have paid into the system for their whole lives have to contribute more and ultimately get back less so illegals can parasitize an already cash strapped system. Our great grandchildren will be paying off these loans, much of the money going to feed, shelter, educate, incarcerate, and satiate the needs of the illegals, at the expense and peril of the legal american citizen.
You tell me who the racists are. These people are nothing less than illegal thieves, taking limited funds and resources that don't belong to them and footing us with the bill. If someone illegally enters my house, eats my food, steals my cash, medication and clothing, do I let them stay? No, I unload some 00 on their asses. If I can kill them for illegally entering my house, we should be able to do so when they illegally cross the border and enter our collective house.
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You are by far one of the most hypocritical individuals I have read from on this forum. "The only people that scream illegal..." How incredibly ignorant, presumptuous and completely ridiculous. You can't honestly believe your own bs. How about the people that scream illegal because they have actually had to deal with them. Perhaps people have seen their neighborhoods turn to shit, had violent crime rates skyrocket, watched the schools become overrun with non English speaking vermin, as well as observed the national debt progressively increase due in part to the cost incurred by the american taxpayer for these illegals.
I take it since you don't pay taxes as you most likely don't work and living in your moms basement precludes one from having a property tax burden to pay for the school system, you have no skin in the game and can easily tell others what they should do. Especially concerning giving the illegals benefits which many american citizens can't even get, but of course have to pay for.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
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Oh wow, I'm being flamed! I'm soooo hurt. Anyway, I'll give in to the trollbait. However, I won't attack you like you attacked me. I'll skip your direct attacks at me, and go for the substance.
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How about the people that scream illegal because they have actually had to deal with them.
I've "actually had to deal with them" too. They're more often than not hard working, nice people who are looking for better lives. They take up some REALLY craptastic jobs that most Americans won't even apply for because its "below" their pride.
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This is apart of the racism I am talking about. First off, since when was English the official language of The United States? We're a multicultural nation. We're going to have multiple languages. Thats just how it works... all over the world. They're not vermin because they can't speak English. They're not vermin because they take the jobs we won't. Violent crimes increase has a direct correlation to the intensity of poverty in the nation... Which brings us to:
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You really, honestly, think that illegal immigration is costing us oh so much money? Lets try ending wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere to cut the debt.
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I pay quite a bit in taxes, thank you very much.
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During the school year, I attend school and do homework about 30 hours a week. Then I work for another 35. During the summer, I try to work 50 hours a week if I can.
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I moved out of my parent's house years ago to cut expenses for them.
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I may not pay property tax on, say, a house, because I rent, but I pay it on other things such as, oh, a car.
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Like you're doing? "GTFO OF AMERICA!" Remember, we TOOK this land from Native Americans. Ask them how they feel about "illegal immigration". Maaany bitter jokes in their community.
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Especially concerning giving the illegals benefits which many american citizens can't even get, but of course have to pay for.
I don't get health care, I have to pay and work my ass off for an education, and guess what? I think that these are things that should be essential and free to every human being. Thats what tax is for. The fact that the system is broken isn't their fault. Would I like for them to be paying taxes and etc? Yes. Do I want to kick them out of this country when theirs is so broken due to drugwars and poverty? No.
PS: Not that anyone in this thread has said this, but I would also like to note to conservatives who say "REAGAN WOULD HAVE FIXED THIS", he would have and did. By giving complete immunity to all illegals in the country before 1982.
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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
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Yep, I remember when Reagan did that and I was none too fucking happy.
I am in the construction business. It so happens that my primary trade, upscale framing carpentry, and location, NY metro area, generally does not encounter Hispanic illegal competition. Almost all of the illegals I compete with are Eastern European, NOT Hispanic. They are paid cash, they don't pay any income or payroll taxes at all. Cash payments for labor are the norm for illegal invaders. I want them out.
Now what you got to say about that? As far as English being the official language, we don't have one. Too bad. Previously people who came here wanted to be Americans and learned English. Then the idiot politicians decided to require that documents and public notices be supplied in several languages, at great expense. Now there is less incentive to learn English and assimilate and many of our cities are becoming Balkanized with enclaves of ethnicity that persist as a result of the enabling perpetrated by pandering political peckerheads. Little Italy is just a quaint place name. Germantown isn't even that. Chinatown persists because many of them came after the great pandering of the 1960s. But those people back then were legal immigrants. Legal. They came here to be Americans and live by American law. The current infestation of criminal gate crashers, of whatever race, needs to be expelled. None of them should be granted amnesty. Reagan's justification for that abysmal idiocy was that there would be huge progressive fines for people who hired illegals after that. Never happened.
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Orium said: The Arizona SB 1070 is racist as it gets. Undocumented workers are largely stereotyped as Latino. Whens the last time you heard the words "illegal immigrant" and thought of a white person?
that's because the bulk of the illegals are coming in via our southern border, yes there's a lot of white, yellow, the other brown and black illegals in the US but they constitute about 10% of the total
I know a few white illegals and a black illegal, should they be deported, yes
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Perhaps people have seen their neighborhoods turn to shit, had violent crime rates skyrocket, watched the schools become overrun with non English speaking vermin,
This is apart of the racism I am talking about. First off, since when was English the official language of The United States?
what race are French people? what about the Russians or Bosnians? how is it racism
as for an official language, that's a state level issue
Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming, Louisiana and Nebraska all have official language statutes yet are all still required to print in english and spanish
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EntheogenicPeace said: Of course racism is involved, even though it does not account for every single individual's position. There is a reason why white conservatives respond by saying "systematically round them up & deport them" with % over-represented relative to national average. That being said, I don't even think it is a majority position among GOPers, though I believe it's a sizable minority.
If racism has nothing to do with it, then the relative %s holding these two positions (pathway to citizenship vs. deportation for those here to work) should be the same among the people (black & white alike) who participated as freedom riders, in the marches, sit-ins & so forth in the South during the civil rights era... usually being taunted, beaten, arrested, jailed, & in some cases murdered... the same as those who were doing the taunting, beating, arresting, & in some cases murdering. However, of course we would not find that to be the case.
Conservatives believe the law should be applied equally to all regardless of their skin color. It is racist to do otherwise. Liberals want to differentially enforce a law because there is a racial disparity in the makeup of the violators. Do you think it is wrong to prosecute murder because the perpetrators are disproportionately of one race?
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