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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: learningtofly]
    #14459617 - 05/15/11 10:37 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I voted STAL : kill them and ship their bodies back to their home countries

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
    #14464042 - 05/16/11 07:17 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14464123 - 05/16/11 07:30 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Most want amnesty and a back tax? Are you kidding me?

The fuck is wrong with you people?

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Sticky Green]
    #14464179 - 05/16/11 07:41 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Im for deportation due to the fact that i lived in Arizona for 14 years.

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Sticky Green]
    #14464629 - 05/16/11 08:44 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14467180 - 05/17/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Fucking deport.  I say we start with the goddamn Europeans who came over here hundreds of years ago. Sends their asses back to England, Germany, France...


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14467344 - 05/17/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Most want amnesty and a back tax? Are you kidding me?

The fuck is wrong with you people?




What's wrong (sic) with so many people today, especially 'white' people, is that they've progressed since the times of genocide against AmerIndians, slavery of millions of Africans, child labor for children of the poor, Jim Crow/segregation, blatant racism & discrimination against various peoples based on ethnicity and/or religion, etc. Unfortunately, many are still stuck in a backwards past (e.g. a slight majority of white Southerners still have more sympathy with the Confederacy than the Union cause... lesser % in other regions, but still there) while most of the rest of the world is moving forward & embracing global integration & exchange.





Ive progressed? ok? you act like these 'white people' are the only racists out there. Why you even bringing in race on this matter? Deportation and racism arent the same. Are there some racist people that are for deportation. sure. The rest of the world moving forward? Your not suggesting that the USA isnt, are you?

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
    #14467475 - 05/17/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

The Arizona SB 1070 is racist as it gets.  Undocumented workers are largely stereotyped as Latino.  Whens the last time you heard the words "illegal immigrant" and thought of a white person?


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14467483 - 05/17/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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while most of the rest of the world is moving forward & embracing global integration & exchange.




Really? Denmark, France, Italy and the Netherlands would seem to be heading in the right direction.

Even the EU is considering tighter restrictions.


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
    #14467489 - 05/17/11 11:34 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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The Arizona SB 1070 is racist as it gets.  Undocumented workers are largely stereotyped as Latino.  Whens the last time you heard the words "illegal immigrant" and thought of a white person?




I don't think of any particular ethnicity when I hear the term "illegal aliens".

How telling that you do.


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
    #14467506 - 05/17/11 11:39 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

It just so happens to be that the majority are latino. Arizona SB 1070 is doing what it needs to do since the federal government cant :shrug: Please tell me of a better way to deport them and ill listen.
Show that your a citizen and you will be fine. I dont see the problem. I dont even know why you brought that up. Maybe thats not the right way to deport? :shrug:

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14467526 - 05/17/11 11:45 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14467533 - 05/17/11 11:47 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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The Arizona SB 1070 is racist as it gets.  Undocumented workers are largely stereotyped as Latino.  Whens the last time you heard the words "illegal immigrant" and thought of a white person?




I don't think of any particular ethnicity when I hear the term "illegal aliens".

How telling that you do.




I didn't imply that I did.  However, I will admit... I do.  When some one says "illegal immigrants" I think of some white privileged person who is complaining about some one taking a job they found be below themselves.

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It just so happens to be that the majority are latino. Arizona SB 1070 is doing what it needs to do since the federal government cant :shrug: Please tell me of a better way to deport them and ill listen.
Show that your a citizen and you will be fine. I dont see the problem. I dont even know why you brought that up. Maybe thats not the right way to deport? :shrug:




Thats racial profiling.  "You look illegal, show me your papers!"  And, who carries papers with them wherever they go?  In the end, deportation isn't the answer.


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14467559 - 05/17/11 11:54 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Deportation is the next logical, and long overdue, step after tightening borders.

Rewarding those who have broken the law will only encourage others to do the same. Allowing them to stay would be such a reward.


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
    #14467566 - 05/17/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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However, I will admit... I do.




Yes. I have found over the years that those who are quick to toss the word racist around, are typically the more racist.


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14467591 - 05/17/11 12:01 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

All i see is its racist to deport illegals. I really dont get that. What i do get is the fact that ive met plenty of people who got here legally. And even they are against the illegal aliens because it gives them a bad name.

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: dshow]
    #14467606 - 05/17/11 12:05 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Don't quote me out of context please. The only ones who scream illegal immigration are the powerful and people that have fell into to their beliefs in some kind of Stockholm syndrome action.

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All i see is its racist to deport illegals. I really dont get that. What i do get is the fact that ive met plenty of people who got here legally. And even they are against the illegal aliens because it gives them a bad name.

From living around alot of illegal aliens most of my life, i have clearly noticed that most of them could give a shit about what laws they break or not.




SB 1070 is racist on its idea that one can profile what an illegal looks like. You just can't.  At that rate, you either have to question EVERYONE you meet about being an illegal, or you are questioning people because of the color of their skin.  The only way some one can "look" illegal is if they wear a shirt that says "I am an illegal immigrant"


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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Orium]
    #14467797 - 05/17/11 12:54 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Racist because one would like their country to enforce their laws concerning UNLAWFUL entry into our country by criminals? Why should the american people be on the hook for paying for the illegals needs?

Illegal is a Crime, not a Race. No you don't have to question everyone concerning their citizenship. What does an illegal look like? Usually fat, dirty, can't speak the language, involved in crimes far beyond their proportional racial makeup. You can find them in the emergency rooms getting free medical attention, giving birth on the american taxpayers dime, or even at the social services building collecting benefits they have never paid a single fucking cent into, yet want all of us to do so for them.

Yes you obese mexican fucks, I see absolutely no reason why our country that can't even exist without foreign monetary assistance should take on TRILLIONS more in debt to satisfy those that broke the law getting into the country, and continue to do so every day they are here. Citizens that have paid into the system for their whole lives have to contribute more and ultimately get back less so illegals can parasitize an already cash strapped system. Our great grandchildren will be paying off these loans, much of the money going to feed, shelter, educate, incarcerate, and satiate the needs of the illegals, at the expense and peril of the legal american citizen.

You tell me who the racists are. These people are nothing less than illegal thieves, taking limited funds and resources that don't belong to them and footing us with the bill. If someone illegally enters my house, eats my food, steals my cash, medication and clothing, do I let them stay? No, I unload some 00 on their asses. If I can kill them for illegally entering my house, we should be able to do so when they illegally cross the border and enter our collective house.

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
    #14467868 - 05/17/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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The only ones who scream illegal immigration are the powerful and people that have fell into to their beliefs in some kind of Stockholm syndrome action.




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When some one says "illegal immigrants" I think of some white privileged person who is complaining about some one taking a job they found be below themselves


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You are by far one of the most hypocritical individuals I have read from on this forum. "The only people that scream illegal..."  How incredibly ignorant, presumptuous and completely ridiculous. You can't honestly believe your own bs. How about the people that scream illegal because they have actually had to deal with them. Perhaps people have seen their neighborhoods turn to shit, had violent crime rates skyrocket, watched the schools become overrun with non English speaking vermin, as well as observed the national debt progressively increase due in part to the cost incurred by the american taxpayer for these illegals.

I take it since you don't pay taxes as you most likely don't work and living in your moms basement precludes one from having a property tax burden to pay for the school system, you have no skin in the game and can easily tell others what they should do. Especially concerning giving the illegals benefits which many american citizens can't even get, but of course have to pay for.

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Re: What should we do with illegal immigrants living in the US [Re: Therian]
    #14468089 - 05/17/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Oh wow, I'm being flamed! I'm soooo hurt.  Anyway, I'll give in to the trollbait.  However, I won't attack you like you attacked me.  I'll skip your direct attacks at me, and go for the substance.

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How about the people that scream illegal because they have actually had to deal with them.




I've "actually had to deal with them" too.  They're more often than not hard working, nice people who are looking for better lives.  They take up some REALLY craptastic jobs that most Americans won't even apply for because its "below" their pride. 

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Perhaps people have seen their neighborhoods turn to shit, had violent crime rates skyrocket, watched the schools become overrun with non English speaking vermin,




This is apart of the racism I am talking about.  First off, since when was English the official language of The United States?  We're a multicultural nation.  We're going to have multiple languages.  Thats just how it works... all over the world. They're not vermin because they can't speak English.  They're not vermin because they take the jobs we won't. Violent crimes increase has a direct correlation to the intensity of poverty in the nation...  Which brings us to:

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as well as observed the national debt progressively increase due in part to the cost incurred by the american taxpayer for these illegals.




You really, honestly, think that illegal immigration is costing us oh so much money?  Lets try ending wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere to cut the debt. 

Now, for the only piece of personal attack I'll address.

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I take it since you don't pay taxes




I pay quite a bit in taxes, thank you very much.

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as you most likely don't work




During the school year, I attend school and do homework about 30 hours a week.  Then I work for another 35.  During the summer, I try to work 50 hours a week if I can. 

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and living in your moms basement




I moved out of my parent's house years ago to cut expenses for them.

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precludes one from having a property tax burden to pay for the school system,


I may not pay property tax on, say, a house, because I rent, but I pay it on other things such as, oh, a car. 

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you have no skin in the game




I beg to differ

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and can easily tell others what they should do.




Like you're doing? "GTFO OF AMERICA!"  Remember, we TOOK this land from Native Americans.  Ask them how they feel about "illegal immigration".  Maaany bitter jokes in their community. 

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Especially concerning giving the illegals benefits which many american citizens can't even get, but of course have to pay for.




I don't get health care, I have to pay and work my ass off for an education, and guess what?  I think that these are things that should be essential and free to every human being.  Thats what tax is for.  The fact that the system is broken isn't their fault.  Would I like for them to be paying taxes and etc?  Yes.  Do I want to kick them out of this country when theirs is so broken due to drugwars and poverty?  No.

PS:  Not that anyone in this thread has said this, but I would also like to note to conservatives who say "REAGAN WOULD HAVE FIXED THIS", he would have and did.  By giving complete immunity to all illegals in the country before 1982.

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