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LOVE !!!
    #1443578 - 04/09/03 05:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

some say love comes from the spiritual connection of two souls.

i know for a fact, this is false. denny meets jenny, denny likes jenny, jenny likes denny. denny starts to love jenny, and think the world of her. he is convinced that she is his soulmate. he later finds out, jenny doesn't love him, nor has she EVER loved him. no spiritual connection was made, although denny felt the profound effects of love.

is love something more than chemicals being released in your brain? is there an inner beauty to it that warrents such amazing feelings? the chemical composition of love has been mapped and it comes in a nice package of 3 chemicals. not special in their own right, but they lead to some intense, pleasurable feelings. one may argue that love between two people is a special sacred bond, but i ask this.....

if the chemicals in your brain stopped releasing that feeling of "love" when you are with your significant other, would you still, on the basis that love is something "more" than just chemicals, be with that person your entire life, and never again, feel the effects of love?



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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1443701 - 04/09/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Love is emotion, emotion is motion.

In other words love is a special type of energy / current running through your brain. No need for 2 people to connect in any specific way.

If the love was really strong and special, it will leave an imprint. That way, no chemicals will have to be released in the futre when you think of that person.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: cleaner]
    #1443731 - 04/09/03 06:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

your whole body is chemicals.. the souls a metaphor for the immortality of everything.. the atoms in your body used to be stardust.. now theyre a human. 100 years from now theyll be in the digestive system of a maggot.

yeah.. everything we do and think and feel is chemicals and substance

least thats my take on it.

for now.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1443734 - 04/09/03 06:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

At the time it all seems "real" enough(being "in love") but in retrospect it was all just a sick obsession for me. i think the book "Love" by Stendhal explores the phenomenon in glorious detail....once the high is gone(be it chemically induced or whatever) forget it.....i'm just :smile:  all my relationships disolved B4 it got to that point.....i couldn't imagine spending any time, let alone my life, with another being after that magic feeling subsides.... 


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1443781 - 04/09/03 06:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's both. More of one than the other for some........but it's just a theroy.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1443998 - 04/09/03 07:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

denny meets jenny, denny likes jenny, jenny likes denny. denny starts to love jenny, and think the world of her. he is convinced that she is his soulmate.

This is not love. This is infatuation. And yes, this type of "love" is simply body chemicals. True love is not in any way connected to desire, especially of a physical nature. Love is a connection made on a spiritual level through immense rapport. I would guess about only 1 in every 1,000,000 people ever experience true love at any point in their life. Probably less. I experienced it once, but it was only in a dream. Even so it was the most profound thing I've ever felt in my life.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1444101 - 04/09/03 08:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Infatuation. Fascinating.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Zahid]
    #1444200 - 04/09/03 09:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

This is pure opinion not backed up by facts, so feel free to shoot me down if you like, but I'm pretty sure a lot more that 1 in 1,000,000 people experience true love. There are 60,000,000 people in Britain. are you saying that only 60 people in this country know true love? I'm sorry but that can't be true. And if it is, what's the point in living?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1444301 - 04/09/03 09:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

is love something more than chemicals being released in your brain? is there an inner beauty to it that warrents such amazing feelings?

No.

Love is fake.

All love is selfish.

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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1444359 - 04/09/03 09:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Love is fake.

All love is selfish.

Except for the pure love(without an object) that radiates everywhere without being attatched to any one object of desire :smile: 


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1444490 - 04/09/03 10:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

:cool: :laugh: :cool:


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1444573 - 04/09/03 10:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Don't let cleaner alter the mind, your soo right its ALL DRUGS!

Leary-fan has some good links for this!

I posted something just like this one, in the off-topic forum.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1447556 - 04/10/03 07:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I LOVE YOU ALL, unconditionally, and I LOVE this existence, this world, and everyone, and everything in it!
Is this true LOVE? I don't know.
But I'm not expecting anything in return, I've already been given a pretty fair share of love, luck, hapiness, energy, positive-negative-experience/emotions, and I cherish them all. Everything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger!

Spread the love, and remember, what goes around comes around!


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: kangoo]
    #1447563 - 04/10/03 07:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

From the sound of it, it's the truest Love there is :smile: .....shine on dude :wink: 


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1447819 - 04/10/03 09:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

weather love is real or not...i believe it is


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1448285 - 04/11/03 12:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

All this talk about love gets me thinking. What the hell is "real?" And what is this "just chemicals" drivvle I keep hearing? Everything can be classified as something, be it chemicals, compounds, substrates, school bus stops or little Japanese boys. But by naming the cause is the mystery demystified? If anything, there is more awe. These feelings one gets are an integral part of the human experience. They are beautiful and wonderful, and no matter how simple they may seem, they are infinitely vast in conotations....
I believe in nothing, but I know that I am in love.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Alobar]
    #1449036 - 04/11/03 09:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Good post


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: enotake2]
    #1454215 - 04/13/03 05:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I second that.
I think Solyent Green hit it -- as well.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: shaggy101]
    #1455630 - 04/13/03 11:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

When you stare at a girl, and have trouble talking to her, and then go out with her, and can't stand ANY guys talking to her, THAT is infatuation.

When you have a friend who is a girl, and you love talking to her...
and you love being around her
and you love the things she has to say
and you love the way her mind works
and you love the way she makes you feel, and the ways you can make her feel
and you love everything about her!!!!!!

then you LOVE HER. tell her. it just might be the best thing you will ever do.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1455901 - 04/14/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

All love is selfish.

That just blew my mind.  :shocked:  :wink:

But even so, wouldn't both partners get what they want when they are in love?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Murex]
    #1456033 - 04/14/03 02:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

There is a strange thin line between selfish and selfless


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: shaggy101]
    #1456040 - 04/14/03 02:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No there isn't...

There is no such things as selfless.  AT ALL

If you do something for ANYONE other than yourself.  You still get a feeling inside.  That is why you do it.  To get that feeling.  That is the most egotistical thing you could do.  Fucking emotion junkies, doing selfless things :laugh: 


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Killjoy]
    #1456043 - 04/14/03 02:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

No there isn't...

There is no such things as selfless.  AT ALL

If you do something for ANYONE other than yourself.  You still get a feeling inside.  That is why you do it.  To get that feeling.  That is the most egotistical thing you could do.  Fucking emotion junkies, doing selfless things :laugh: 



What if you die for someone else?  Is that selfish?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: silversoul7]
    #1457814 - 04/14/03 07:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

What if you die for someone else? Is that selfish?




I don't say that it is selfish, but I think there are some who would say it is. I remember a thread a couple months ago about this topic and a few people claimed that even in dying for someone else, you are still selfish. Something about creating a good image for yourself after you are gone. Also it was something along the lines of you want to kill yourself, but this way the fact that you saved someone else by it prevails. I think these are two of the ideas, but it's a rough account at best and I can't remember for sure.

In any event, I do not say dying for someone else is selfish, I say it is quite selfless.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: shroominbloom]
    #1457832 - 04/14/03 07:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Good topic. I'd never really considered the fact that everything we do is always beneficial for our own being, therefore everything we do is selfish.
And I do agree that the only selfless act you can do is die for someone..


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: SupoibHoib]
    #1457915 - 04/14/03 08:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

everything we do i'd say is directly or indirectly for our benefit, e.g. you say something nice to somebody and they look at you in a good way after that and when you get into a sticky situation where you could use their help they help you out and you end of benefitting(one hand washes the other... or however u say that), but thats like a mutual benefit too cuz you helped eachother out

I think selfish is a little bit too strong of a word.. but it is JUST a word, so i'd say if you think dying for somebody else is selfish then you think everything you do is selfish


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: SupoibHoib]
    #1457921 - 04/14/03 08:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

And I do agree that the only selfless act you can do is die for someone..

Tru dat, nigga.  :tongue:


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Murex]
    #1464198 - 04/16/03 05:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Love is when you see yourself getting old with that person, love is when you can't imagine life without that person, love is when you feel complete, love is trust, honesty and comunication. I absolutely believe that love exists. Infatuation is close to that feeling of love, and is most often mistaken as love. When you get that ticklish feeling in your stomach when your near that person, when you can't talk and blush constantly, you become shy, however infatuation fades. True love does not. Love is all about Chemistry, the smells of eachother that bring you close to gether. Why is that men smell a womans hair when they hug? Or are drawn to the smell of her poonanni? Hehe. But seriously, love exists if you want it to, and if your not afraid of it.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464210 - 04/16/03 05:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

that is all very wonderful, you defined love as so many different things its impossible to find the truth to it. the feeling of love is great, but beside that feeling you get.. is there anything to it that makes it special?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1464230 - 04/16/03 05:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The fact that you become complete. The part of you thats been lost is now found. Finally someone that understands you better than you understand yourself, someone who's not so judging of you like you are of yourself....there really is so much to love.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1464240 - 04/16/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No way to proove it's a special feeling.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Murex]
    #1464267 - 04/16/03 05:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

All depends on you dude. That part is left up to you.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464275 - 04/16/03 05:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Finally someone that understands you better than you understand yourself, someone who's not so judging of you like you are of yourself....there really is so much to love.

why worry about understanding someone when your getting those amazing feelings of love? yeah sure, i love you for who you are, now lets make love...GIMME GIMME THE HIGH !!! =)


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1464310 - 04/16/03 05:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ugh sure....its more than just physical....the sex part fades after a while and you begin to realize that when your in love or married sex is mostly for procreating....not saying that every relationship ends up that way, and not saying that its a bad thing, but hey there's still masturbation. 3 cheers for masturbation. hahahaha


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Jenherself]
    #1464349 - 04/16/03 05:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

when i said make love, i meant the act of feeling the emotions that surround you while your with your significant other. cuddling included =)


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1464396 - 04/16/03 05:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh...hehe.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1464421 - 04/16/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

when i said make love, i meant the act of feeling the emotions that surround you while your with your significant other. cuddling included =) "

Dat so tweet oh GR8 Looner(no sarcasm implied or intended, btw) but how is one realistically expected to make that most joyous of "highs" last?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1465124 - 04/16/03 09:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

by falling in love of course!

i think its spiritually void and entirely selfish, but that won't stop me from getting the juice =)


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1465181 - 04/16/03 10:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

juice?


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Murex]
    #1465216 - 04/16/03 10:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think love is spiritually void....its spiritually uplifting....and I think that maybe your looking at it as a selfish sorta thing because of the 'juice'.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Jenherself]
    #1465253 - 04/16/03 10:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

answer my question that i first asked on this thread, please.


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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: Jenherself]
    #1465285 - 04/16/03 10:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

if the chemicals in your brain stopped releasing that feeling of "love" when you are with your significant other, would you still, on the basis that love is something "more" than just chemicals, be with that person your entire life, and never again, feel the effects of love?

Well in my opinion 'feelings' come from the heart...so yes I think you would still feel the effects of love, you just might not be able to comprehend what it is that your feeling and why your feeling it.

why worry about understanding someone when your getting those amazing feelings of love?

Understanding someone is one of the biggest parts of being in love. If you can't understand them then what are you doing there in the first place?



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Re: LOVE !!! [Re: ]
    #1465305 - 04/16/03 11:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)



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