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Patriot Act to be made permanent?
    #1443506 - 04/09/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry, no link.

Patriot Act To Be Made Permanent?

sierratimes ^ | 4/8/2003 |
J.J. Johnson


WASHINGTON, April 8 - According to the New York Times , Congressional
Republicans are working to make permanent the sweeping antiterrorism powers
given to federal law enforcement agents after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The
Times reports that the move is likely to touch off strong objections from many
Democrats and even some Republicans in Congress who believe that the Patriot
Act, as the legislation that grew out of the attacks is known, has already given
the government too much power to spy on Americans. If you recall, it was only
passed with the agreement there would be a sunshine clause inserted, where
Congress would have to review the act in 2005.

The legislation expanded the government's power to use eavesdropping,
surveillance, access to financial and computer records and other tools to track
terrorist suspects, clearly testing the limits of the Fourth and Fifth
Amendments to the Constitution. It has been on the books since October of 2001.

The times said the move to repeal the "sunset" clause was crafted by one Senator
Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah. Republicans may seek to move on the proposal
this week by trying to attaching it to another antiterrorism bill that would
make it easier for the government to use secret surveillance warrants against
"lone wolf" terrorism suspects.

Bear in mind that while the New York Times laid on this on Hatch, the Utah
Senator made no comment on the record. Nor has any other republican. Democrats, needless to say, aren't too happy about it. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD), predicted that Republicans lacked the votes to repeal the limits.

The Times also wrote that Justice Department officials credited the Patriot Act
with allowing the F.B.I. to move with greater speed and flexibility to disrupt
terrorist operations before they occur, and they say they wanted to see the 2005
time limit on the legislation lifted.

"The Patriot Act has been an extremely useful tool, a demonstrated success, and
we don't want that to expire on us," a senior department official said on
condition of anonymity.

Another senior official who also demanded anonymity said the department had held
discussions with Congressional Republicans about how that might best be
accomplished. "Our involvement has really been just keeping an open ear to the
issue as it's proceeding, not to really guide the debate," the official said.

Again, notice how no one wanted to go on the record about this. Debate is
expected, but months away. The Sierra Times suggests, consider this New York
Times story an official 'trial balloon' to gauge the public reaction. Chances of
the sunshine clause being lifted is slim at best - unless another major
terrorist attack happens before then


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: ]
    #1443685 - 04/09/03 06:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The times said the move to repeal the "sunset" clause was crafted by one Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah.

Sounds exactly like the kind of thing that senile old reptile would do.

pinky


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Phred]
    #1443724 - 04/09/03 06:14 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

True enough Pinky, true enough!

:grin:


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: ]
    #1443807 - 04/09/03 06:39 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Chances of
the sunshine clause being lifted is slim at best - unless another major
terrorist attack happens before then
 




..uh-ohhh....... :smirk:


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Phred]
    #1444335 - 04/09/03 09:45 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The hope the American public doesn't get fooled into this. There is no way i would EVER support this.


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Edited by Innvertigo (04/09/03 09:45 PM)


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1444349 - 04/09/03 09:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Who would in their right minds actually support this?


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1444351 - 04/09/03 09:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Murex]
    #1444355 - 04/09/03 09:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

apparantly a bunch of republicans....if this gets signed it's the end of Bush!


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: ]
    #1444372 - 04/09/03 09:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"Sorry, no link."

Forgiven; link:

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/04/09/articlejj.htm

And my opinion: "Patriot" my ass..... This shows you exactly what they think of their own people (us) - its like when I was a kid and my mom would burst into my room.... whether I was whacking off or just hanging out it was still the principle of the thing: stay out of my room, dammit - at least knock.

Well maybe they'll knock before they break our doors down and invade our homes. Remember now that all drug-users are terrorists, so that technically anybody who smokes pot can somehow be upgraded to the national-security-threatening status of "Terrorist," and they can bust in on you whenever they like.

Oh what a terrifying world our grandchildren and their grandchildren will live in. I will be ashamed if I have to tell my kids (or neice/nephews, since I'm certainly thinking about not having kids now..) "you know, it used to be a free country," referring to the not-so-liberated times we're living in NOW.


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: ]
    #1444380 - 04/09/03 09:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That is truly nuts.. but what is even nuttier is patriot act part deux

Sequels always suck ass, why should this be any different? :smile: 


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Phred]
    #1444879 - 04/10/03 12:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

For once, I agree whole-heartedly with you Pinky.  Orrin Hatch is next to the word "Nazi" in the dictionary. 

Bush's name is next to the exclamation: "Huh?"

:smirk: 


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Re: Patriot Act to be made permanent? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1445297 - 04/10/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Lets not forget the "Patriot" act can be (and has already been) used for ANY AND ALL Illegal activities within the U.S. And in my opinion THAT was the reasoning behind it and it had little or nothing more to do with 9/11 than timing.

And for example the "Famous" PF bust and a lawsuit against Ebays PayPal (not only could online casino's using PayPal be used for terrorist money loundering but they specificly state that any time PayPal is used for an illegal activity or may even have the chance of bieng used for an illegal activity..ie buying a bong on the net is a paraphanelia charge and it is covered by the "Patriot Act")


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